Looks like NFL.com had him as the 10th highest rated prospect and we got him at 25.  You should of watched him at Clemson and you would know what type of back he is

https://www.nfl.com/draft/tracker/prospects/

So?

Well, if he is an "elite RB" like you said why was he drafted to be a gadget player?  if he is an "elite RB" we can expect him to steal the starting RB position from Robinson next year and have a similar stats to Elliot in his first year, or Barkley, or AP.

He wasn't drafted to be a gadget player lol.  Robinson is already one of the best backs in the league and close to elite.  Do you see what the Browns do with Chubb and Hunt?  Expect that from the Jags.  We can extend JRob at the end of the season and have Robinson and Etienne for the next 5 years

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Enough with the "ETN was a crap pick"  He got hurt so we do not know what he can contribute.

I don't know if anyone called it a crap pick although a lot of people questioned the value at that point. I still do although when he's healthy the one two potential of Robinson and ETN is intriguing as hell.

Robinson and Etienne for the next 5 years sounds very nice and I'm sure Trevor likes the sound of that

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So?

Well, if he is an "elite RB" like you said why was he drafted to be a gadget player?  if he is an "elite RB" we can expect him to steal the starting RB position from Robinson next year and have a similar stats to Elliot in his first year, or Barkley, or AP.

He wasn't drafted to be a gadget player lol.  Robinson is already one of the best backs in the league and close to elite.  Do you see what the Browns do with Chubb and Hunt?  Expect that from the Jags.  We can extend JRob at the end of the season and have Robinson and Etienne for the next 5 years

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I don't know if anyone called it a crap pick although a lot of people questioned the value at that point. I still do although when he's healthy the one two potential of Robinson and ETN is intriguing as hell.

Robinson and Etienne for the next 5 years sounds very nice and I'm sure Trevor likes the sound of that

Well, he wasn't drafted to be our #1 RB since he isn't an elite RB. 

We'll see how elite he is/looks next year.

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I am a fan, not a cheerleader.

Yea I dont get the hatred of the Etienne pick.  With the versatility of elite players to flex between RB and WR, position designations are almost irrelevant in the NFL these days.  It's all about playmakers.  You don't draft Etienne because you want him to get 25 carries out of the back field like a traditional RB.  You draft him to get him 15-20 touches a game in a variety of roles expecting him to be a game breaker.  Everyone says RBs are a dime a dozen.  Well 5'10 WRs are a dime a dozen as well but Tyreek Hill isn't.  The dude is a playmaker.  Makes big plays that changes the course of games.  Who cares what his position is called.  That is essentially what they are drafting Etienne to be.  A playmaker who changes the outcome of games with one or two big plays a game.  The Etienne pick shouldnt be critiqued because of the position title next to his name.  It should be critiqued on whether they scouted him well and if he can be the playmaker they expect him to be.  And even for those who are stuck in in the traditional mindset of each team having one bell cow RB getting 30 touches a game, was it a problem when we had Fred Taylor and MJD on the same team?  Of course not.  Just imagine if we had those two and Trevor Lawrence.  Good Lord that would have been a great offense.

Getting back to Baalke, it's too early to make an assessment.  I'm not a fan of what he did in SF and so far not a huge fan of what we've done here.  I don't love the draft strategy of taking injured guys.  In the offseason however it sounded as though that would really pay off.  But we havent seen much of Little or Cisco now that the real games have begun.  I'd like to see them get Cisco some reps.  The defense needs someone who can make big plays and he was known as being a ballhawk.  Ironically he'd likely replace the one guy in Winguard that actually generated a turnover (Lawson's was a gift), but we need someone who can consistently do it.  Didn't love the Campbell pick at the time and haven't seen anything to change my mind yet.  As far as guys who were on the team, dropping Quincy Williams looks like a mistake but maybe he'd be a bad fit in this scheme.  Some of those trades seem to have backfired.  Maybe Jones and Schobert aren't doing much for their teams but I think we could use them.  At this point I'd rather have Schobert than Wilson.  We're getting killed by Wilson's inability to cover and Schobert would fit in well there.  CB looked like a major strength during training camp and now we are picking up guys off the street to start for us.  

I will give them credit that the offensive line isn't as bad as I thought it'd be.  Injuries could change that.  But so far they haven't been that bad.  I still would like to see them address it next offseason.  Think they'll have to with the number of guys nearing the end of their contract.

The reason that fans don't like the ETN pick is because it's not a good value pick.  You can get a good RB (or OG or safety) in the later rounds, but it's much harder to get a solid LT or QB later on in the draft.  For example, Rashawn Slater was available in 1st round instead of ETN and he's playing extremely well.  There were good RB's available in the 3rd and 4th rounds.  

Sure, ETN got injured so the jury is still out on him, but it's not about him per se as much as it is realizing the draft is about matching talent to positional value, because in the long run that's how good teams manage their salary cap.

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It is way too early to judge this draft class but do understand it has been mediocre so far outside of Lawrence.  With that said, he has traded away some dead weight that may end up being huge gains down the road.  Arnold outside of his bad game yesterday gave us more production in a few games than CJ Henderson has in about 18.   He did help  build a Superbowl roster so there is that.

I'd give Baalke a solid C- grade.  Below average.  Nowhere near deserving any sort of credit.

Again that if you are only judging ETN as a RB.  He appears to be a much more versatile player.  If he is a play maker than the value is justified.

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Enough with the "ETN was a crap pick"  He got hurt so we do not know what he can contribute.

regardless of whether he got hurt he was a wasted pick. We had an RB on the roster that just set UDFA rookie records, brought in the coach's ol' pal who previously quit on the team, and have 2-3 guys who could serve the same role as the guy we spent a pick on. We spent $21M on a twitchy, gadget-style returner who could mimic Etienne's role as well.  It was a bad pick, even if the kid was still healthy and sitting on the bench like every other rookie not named Trevor.

Unless he makes JRob, Viska and/or Agnew expendable, it was a bad pick.

Period.

Lets say Robinson got hurt.  Who do we trust then?

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Looks like NFL.com had him as the 10th highest rated prospect and we got him at 25.  You should of watched him at Clemson and you would know what type of back he is

https://www.nfl.com/draft/tracker/prospects/

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!  No facts allowed here.  It's a horrible pick because he is a RB!  

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Dude... he was a 3rd round talent.

Now? With the injury he had? He's a 7th round, border line UDFA talent.

Robinson is heads and shoulders above what he could ever have been anyway. Proved it in the NFL.

And JRob was a UDFA, because good RBs can be found throughout the draft, you don't need to waste premium picks on pedestrian positions.

I keep hearing this but it's a crap arguement.  It's rare for UDFA to equal out to be anything.  It happens once in a blue moon.  Just because it can be done does not mean it's normal.  We just got lucky!

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The reason that fans don't like the ETN pick is because it's not a good value pick.  You can get a good RB (or OG or safety) in the later rounds, but it's much harder to get a solid LT or QB later on in the draft.  For example, Rashawn Slater was available in 1st round instead of ETN and he's playing extremely well.  There were good RB's available in the 3rd and 4th rounds.  

Sure, ETN got injured so the jury is still out on him, but it's not about him per se as much as it is realizing the draft is about matching talent to positional value, because in the long run that's how good teams manage their salary cap.

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I'd give Baalke a solid C- grade.  Below average.  Nowhere near deserving any sort of credit.

Again that if you are only judging ETN as a RB.  He appears to be a much more versatile player.  If he is a play maker than the value is justified.

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regardless of whether he got hurt he was a wasted pick. We had an RB on the roster that just set UDFA rookie records, brought in the coach's ol' pal who previously quit on the team, and have 2-3 guys who could serve the same role as the guy we spent a pick on. We spent $21M on a twitchy, gadget-style returner who could mimic Etienne's role as well.  It was a bad pick, even if the kid was still healthy and sitting on the bench like every other rookie not named Trevor.

Unless he makes JRob, Viska and/or Agnew expendable, it was a bad pick.

Period.

Lets say Robinson got hurt.  Who do we trust then?

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We barely barely squeak by a very bad league worst point differential 1-4 (should be winless...) team who was missing perhaps their 4 best players and had the London disadvantage and all of the sudden we have flipped to defending Baalke? Fandom is one hell of a drug.

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Looks like NFL.com had him as the 10th highest rated prospect and we got him at 25.  You should of watched him at Clemson and you would know what type of back he is

https://www.nfl.com/draft/tracker/prospects/

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!  No facts allowed here.  It's a horrible pick because he is a RB!  

bruh....

A prospect ranking is not a fact.
It is most assuredly an opinion.

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We barely barely squeak by a very bad league worst point differential 1-4 (should be winless...) team who was missing perhaps their 4 best players and had the London disadvantage and all of the sudden we have flipped to defending Baalke? Fandom is one hell of a drug.

You act like we had no injuries.  3 offensive lineman out, our number 1 WR out, our 1st round pick out.  Captain on D out, our 33 pic and 2nd corner out.  We were missing a bunch of players as well

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We lost a lot with injuries when it comes to speed. Chark jr and et

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Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!  No facts allowed here.  It's a horrible pick because he is a RB!  

bruh....

A prospect ranking is not a fact.
It is most assuredly an opinion.

True but it is a fact that most experts had ETN ranked as a first round pick.

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Looks like NFL.com had him as the 10th highest rated prospect and we got him at 25.  You should of watched him at Clemson and you would know what type of back he is

https://www.nfl.com/draft/tracker/prospects/

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!  No facts allowed here.  It's a horrible pick because he is a RB!  

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And JRob was a UDFA, because good RBs can be found throughout the draft, you don't need to waste premium picks on pedestrian positions.

I keep hearing this but it's a crap arguement.  It's rare for UDFA to equal out to be anything.  It happens once in a blue moon.  Just because it can be done does not mean it's normal.  We just got lucky!

I called ETN a 3rd round value, JRob is an exception being as good as he is as an UDFA. This team taking a back up running back with a 1st round pick was patently absurd.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I can't believe some are defending Baalke.  This team is 1-5 with four of those losses being by double digits and the lone win being a squeaker against a team that came into the game having lost 4 straight and having the worst point differential in the entire NFL.  Why should we be surprised?  I did this on another board, but I will remind you of Baalke's track record as general manager in San Francisco:

Year 1:  13-3
Year 2:  11-4
Year 3:  12-4
Year 4:  8-8
Year 5:  5-11
Year 6:  2-14

Can you not see the trend?  The longer he was in charge, the worse the team got.

As for the Jaguars draft this year, you can say it is early, but so far, it has been terrible outside of Trevor Lawrence who was a no brainer.  If we put aside special teams and look at offensive snaps for offensive players and defensive snaps for defensive players, below are the percentage of snaps taken from our draft class:

Trevor Lawrence 100%
Tyson Campbell    51%
Luke Farrell          25%
Andre Cisco          11%
Jay Tufele              3%
Walker Little        <1% 
Jordan Smith         0%
Jalen Camp           0% 
Travis Etienne        0% (Injured Reserve)

The only player outside of Trevor Lawrence that is getting significant playing time is Campbell and he has looked terrible  Farrell has 5 receptions and a fumble.  Cisco has played special teams, but has only been given 2 defensive snaps in the last 4 games despite being active in all of those games.  The other five players, which comprises the majority of our nine player draft class, have combined for a total of 14 offensive/defensive snaps through 6 games.  The guy who ran onto the field before the game in London has seen just about the same amount of the field as almost half of our draft class.  That's terrible.

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Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!  No facts allowed here.  It's a horrible pick because he is a RB!  

bruh....

A prospect ranking is not a fact.
It is most assuredly an opinion.

Yes, it is clearly opinion, and in this case, it is an outlying opinion.  After the draft, I searched out every ranking of draft prospects that I could find.  I found 8 lists not including the above link.  In 8 out of 8 of those rankings, Etienne was not the top valued player available at the time of our pick.  To make it even worse, not only was there a better value player available, but also in 8 out of 8 times, there was a better value player available at a position that I considered to be a big need for the Jaguars.  We got neither need nor value when we could have had both.

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bruh....

A prospect ranking is not a fact.
It is most assuredly an opinion.

Yes, it is clearly opinion, and in this case, it is an outlying opinion.  After the draft, I searched out every ranking of draft prospects that I could find.  I found 8 lists not including the above link.  In 8 out of 8 of those rankings, Etienne was not the top valued player available at the time of our pick.  To make it even worse, not only was there a better value player available, but also in 8 out of 8 times, there was a better value player available at a position that I considered to be a big need for the Jaguars.  We got neither need nor value when we could have had both.

Shhhhhhhhhhh. No facts allowed here.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

The reason that fans don't like the ETN pick is because it's not a good value pick.  You can get a good RB (or OG or safety) in the later rounds, but it's much harder to get a solid LT or QB later on in the draft.  For example, Rashawn Slater was available in 1st round instead of ETN and he's playing extremely well.  There were good RB's available in the 3rd and 4th rounds.  

Sure, ETN got injured so the jury is still out on him, but it's not about him per se as much as it is realizing the draft is about matching talent to positional value, because in the long run that's how good teams manage their salary cap.

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I'd give Baalke a solid C- grade.  Below average.  Nowhere near deserving any sort of credit.

Again that if you are only judging ETN as a RB.  He appears to be a much more versatile player.  If he is a play maker than the value is justified.

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regardless of whether he got hurt he was a wasted pick. We had an RB on the roster that just set UDFA rookie records, brought in the coach's ol' pal who previously quit on the team, and have 2-3 guys who could serve the same role as the guy we spent a pick on. We spent $21M on a twitchy, gadget-style returner who could mimic Etienne's role as well.  It was a bad pick, even if the kid was still healthy and sitting on the bench like every other rookie not named Trevor.

Unless he makes JRob, Viska and/or Agnew expendable, it was a bad pick.

Period.

Lets say Robinson got hurt.  Who do we trust then?

If he got hurt, most of the carries would likely go to Carlos Hyde.  He's averaged a respectable 4.5 yards per carry in 2021.  It doesn't seem like a fluke either as he averaged 4.4 yards per carry in 2020 and the same in 2019.  He's no James Robinson and you would always hate to see your best player go down, but I consider running back to be one of the deepest positions on the team right now even without ETN.  

Besides, this whole argument is silly.  You don't draft backups in the first round.  Lets say Lawrence got hurt.  Who do we trust then?  Should we draft a quarterback in the first round next year!?!?!

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Not with the current front office and coaching staff which seem to make weekly blunders.

money still be green last time I checked. Sure we might miss on the last gasp free agent looking to sign somewhere to get a ring, but we can get the last laugh when we knock them out of the playoffs in 2023

I agree.  The aging veteran who has already made a ton of money off his second and third contracts may want to only go to a winner if he knows he only has 1 or 2 years left in the league.  For players coming off their rookie contract (which is the players we should be targeting), most of them simply go to the team that pays them the most.  This is their opportunity for a lifetime of financial security, so most want to make the most of it. The agent, who gets a cut, also will do everything in his power to convince the player to take the biggest paycheck.

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So?

Well, if he is an "elite RB" like you said why was he drafted to be a gadget player?  if he is an "elite RB" we can expect him to steal the starting RB position from Robinson next year and have a similar stats to Elliot in his first year, or Barkley, or AP.

He wasn't drafted to be a gadget player lol.  Robinson is already one of the best backs in the league and close to elite.  Do you see what the Browns do with Chubb and Hunt?  Expect that from the Jags.  We can extend JRob at the end of the season and have Robinson and Etienne for the next 5 years

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I don't know if anyone called it a crap pick although a lot of people questioned the value at that point. I still do although when he's healthy the one two potential of Robinson and ETN is intriguing as hell.

Robinson and Etienne for the next 5 years sounds very nice and I'm sure Trevor likes the sound of that

lol...

This coaching staff is struggling (for whatever brain dead reason) to give Robinson alone 18 touches per game and you think they're going to magically give two different RBs each 15+ touches a game like the Browns do? That's one hell of a pipe dream you got bud.

I wont be one bit surprised when Robinson walks in FA after next season, especially if Urbs and Co. are still here. They wont match his RFA because they made the decision to replace him the moment they drafted ETN.

He'll go on to be an All-Pro for some other team.

Regardless, you still aren't helping your opinion that ETN was a good pick at 25. You keep putting him in the same breath of RBs that were all taken after the 1st round. Chubb 2nd round. Hunt 3rd round. Kamara 3rd round. Robinson UDFA etc etc. The list is long.

A team that ran off 15 straight losses had no business taking a RB in the 1st round, ever. Especially when you ran off 15 straight losses with a top 5 RB who happened to be an UDFA to begin with. Taking luxury RB picks in the 1st round is how bad teams stay bad teams.

EDIT: Also, Baalke doesn't deserve jack [BLEEP] OP.

Oliver would still be arguably the best TE on this roster and he plays behind a deep TE group for the Ravens.

Our CB group is in shambles. Besides Griffin, they're bad. Like really bad bad. Claybrooks got benched for a guy they signed 2 weeks ago. Herndon can't cover anybody and Campbell can't even get on the field because of some Calf injury. And when Campbell was on the field he was getting torched game in and game out.

Arnold has made as many blunders as he has plays. Drops, INT, Fumble.

Steelers fans hate Schobert? That's fine, I hate seeing Damien Wilson chasing a receiver 15 yards down the field 13 times per game because this coaching staff keeps on insisting that he drops into coverage, even though he's arguably the worst coverage LB in the NFL.

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He wasn't drafted to be a gadget player lol.  Robinson is already one of the best backs in the league and close to elite.  Do you see what the Browns do with Chubb and Hunt?  Expect that from the Jags.  We can extend JRob at the end of the season and have Robinson and Etienne for the next 5 years

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Robinson and Etienne for the next 5 years sounds very nice and I'm sure Trevor likes the sound of that

lol...

This coaching staff is struggling (for whatever brain dead reason) to give Robinson alone 18 touches per game and you think they're going to magically give two different RBs each 15+ touches a game like the Browns do? That's one hell of a pipe dream you got bud.

I wont be one bit surprised when Robinson walks in FA after next season, especially if Urbs and Co. are still here. They wont match his RFA because they made the decision to replace him the moment they drafted ETN.

He'll go on to be an All-Pro for some other team.

Regardless, you still aren't helping your opinion that ETN was a good pick at 25. You keep putting him in the same breath of RBs that were all taken after the 1st round. Chubb 2nd round. Hunt 3rd round. Kamara 3rd round. Robinson UDFA etc etc. The list is long.

A team that ran off 15 straight losses had no business taking a RB in the 1st round, ever. Especially when you ran off 15 straight losses with a top 5 RB who happened to be an UDFA to begin with. Taking luxury RB picks in the 1st round is how bad teams stay bad teams.

EDIT: Also, Baalke doesn't deserve jack [BLEEP] OP.

Oliver would still be arguably the best TE on this roster and he plays behind a deep TE group for the Ravens.

Our CB group is in shambles. Besides Griffin, they're bad. Like really bad bad. Claybrooks got benched for a guy they signed 2 weeks ago. Herndon can't cover anybody and Campbell can't even get on the field because of some Calf injury. And when Campbell was on the field he was getting torched game in and game out.

Arnold has made as many blunders as he has plays. Drops, INT, Fumble.

Steelers fans hate Schobert? That's fine, I hate seeing Damien Wilson chasing a receiver 15 yards down the field 13 times per game because this coaching staff keeps on insisting that he drops into coverage, even though he's arguably the worst coverage LB in the NFL.

Did you miss the part where he wasn't who I wanted us to draft?  With that said he's a great back though.  Most people don't like the pick because they don't like taking a RB in the first, that wasnt the problem for me the problem with me is our best player is a RB and it's gonna take see carries away for JRob.  With that said if they use them right maybe they can prove it was a good pick, remains to be seen.   Oliver arguably the best TE on the roster?  Lmao

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We beat one bottom feeder to snap a 20 game skid and someone wants to praise the GM.

Never change Jag fans. Never change. We are truly unique.

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regardless of whether he got hurt he was a wasted pick. We had an RB on the roster that just set UDFA rookie records, brought in the coach's ol' pal who previously quit on the team, and have 2-3 guys who could serve the same role as the guy we spent a pick on. We spent $21M on a twitchy, gadget-style returner who could mimic Etienne's role as well.  It was a bad pick, even if the kid was still healthy and sitting on the bench like every other rookie not named Trevor.

Unless he makes JRob, Viska and/or Agnew expendable, it was a bad pick.

Period.

Lets say Robinson got hurt.  Who do we trust then?

Using this logic, we should have spent our second first on another QB.

We signed Hyde in the offseason to spell Robinson. He's the CJ Beathard to JRob. You may say "Hyde certainly won't be able to produce at the same level as JRob." Well, do you expect CJ to be a clone of Trevor?

Let's say we trade Joe Schobert and Myles Jack is hurt. Who do we trust then?
Let's say Jawann Taylor puts up less fight than a wet paper towel. Who do we trust then?
Let's say Davon Hamilton gets hurt. Who do we trust to block up the middle of our D?

We can play this game all day. it was a luxury pick. It wasn't even that we took an RB. If you are picking the guy to be the backup, you can find that guy two rounds later and get exactly what you're shooting for while still filling out the roster with better players where we desperately needed them.

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