It is way too early to judge this draft class but do understand it has been mediocre so far outside of Lawrence.  With that said, he has traded away some dead weight that may end up being huge gains down the road.  Arnold outside of his bad game yesterday gave us more production in a few games than CJ Henderson has in about 18.   He did help  build a Superbowl roster so there is that.


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I'm pretty sure he took a Superbowl roster and turned it into garbage with his love of College athletes with ACL injuries.

He's actually pretty darn terrible even in this short time. His trades suck.

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He needs to bring in a true number 1 WR for Trevor.

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Didn't improve the O-line
No TE until Arnold
Rookies have done nothing outside of Lawrence
RRH has done nothing
Manhertz barely plays
Used a first on a RB when we already have a good one

1-5

1 win and people deserve more credit? lol

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I am a fan, not a cheerleader.

It is way too early to judge this draft class but do understand it has been mediocre so far outside of Lawrence.  With that said, he has traded away some dead weight that may end up being huge gains down the road.  Arnold outside of his bad game yesterday gave us more production in a few games than CJ Henderson has in about 18.   He did help  build a Superbowl roster so there is that.


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so if we're transitioning from "no credit whatsoever" to "the crust of a ham sammich that is starting to smell a bit funky" then yeah, I can get behind this.

didn't we also have to swap picks to make the deal reality?

outside of lawrence we have seen, in the words of Jim Mora, diddly poo from this darft class. It's not like he's out there fleecing other GMs.

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yeah I agree that I have been very underwhelmed so far

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I do like his FA. this year

Agnew, Jones, and Griffin have all been good additions

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NOOOO MUST HAND-WRING AND HATE ALL DECISIONS MADE IN THE FO

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When your HC coach is the de facto decision maker on all personnel moves, you can't really know who to credit or discredit for what, but I'm not impressed.

Agnew was a good add. Griffin was a good add, but he also got paid very handsomely and he has no counterpart at CB. I like Jenkins pretty well too but they are mishandling his counterpart at safety as well.

They [BLEEP] up and took a RB at 25 with a stud already on the roster. They took 3 weeks to figure out they needed to use said stud to help the rookie QB and they still don't run him enough after 6 weeks.

They completely took a hot dump all over their handling of the TE position from day one until trading for a guy they could have just signed cheaply earlier. Even now they'll need to spend a pick on another TE.

They've jockeyed around at LB and still don't have any guys they remotely can trust in coverage. They'd rather sell out to the run, play the safeties off and give up everything underneath all day long.

When you have the FA money they had, and the picks they had, to still be in very dire need at RT, TE, WR, ILB, EDGE, FS, CB ... I don't know, man.
"Credit" is not what's on my mind for Baalke and Meyer. I'm more in disdain mode. I think they could be further along in rebuilding than they are.

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Way too early to tell just six games in unless you incorporate the departures of which isn't helping us at all.

NH3...

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When your HC coach is the de facto decision maker on all personnel moves, you can't really know who to credit or discredit for what, but I'm not impressed.

Agnew was a good add. Griffin was a good add, but he also got paid very handsomely and he has no counterpart at CB.  I like Jenkins pretty well too but they are mishandling his counterpart at safety as well.

They [BLEEP] up and took a RB at 25 with a stud already on the roster.  They took 3 weeks to figure out they needed to use said stud to help the rookie QB and they still don't run him enough after 6 weeks.

They completely took a hot dump all over their handling of the TE position from day one until trading for a guy they could have just signed cheaply earlier.  Even now they'll need to spend a pick on another TE.

They've jockeyed around at LB and still don't have any guys they remotely can trust in coverage. They'd rather sell out to the run, play the safeties off and give up everything underneath all day long.

When you have the FA money they had, and the picks they had, to still be in very dire need at RT, TE, WR, ILB, EDGE, FS, CB ...  I don't know, man.
"Credit" is not what's on my mind for Baalke and Meyer.  I'm more in disdain mode. I think they could be further along in rebuilding than they are.

Yeah I mean pretty sure we all said Baalke was retained because Urbs was the de facto GM.

Baalke might deserve credit for the trades... But we didn't exactly get a bunch of good draft picks for CJ, Jones, Minshew....

Hell even Caldwell traded away crap and got draft picks a couple times. Doesn't mean much.

I'll reserve any sort of judgement on the roster building of these two schmucks until after another draft and FA period... But so far not really impressed to give any credit.

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Oh yeah, released Quincy Williams
Signed Damien Wilson and he sucks

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I am a fan, not a cheerleader.

One huge free agency away and a solid draft from looking better and better. not the 2017 type better yet

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No, not really.

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Enough with the "ETN was a crap pick" He got hurt so we do not know what he can contribute.

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If Little amd Cisco can become solid or above average starters i guess next year they will look a lot better in my eyes.

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If Little amd Cisco can become solid or above average starters i guess next year they will look a lot better in my eyes.

It is normal for rookies not to play for awhile when drafted.  ON good teams rookies hardly play until year 2.

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Enough with the "ETN was a crap pick"  He got hurt so we do not know what he can contribute.

Yea I dont get the hatred of the Etienne pick.  With the versatility of elite players to flex between RB and WR, position designations are almost irrelevant in the NFL these days.  It's all about playmakers.  You don't draft Etienne because you want him to get 25 carries out of the back field like a traditional RB.  You draft him to get him 15-20 touches a game in a variety of roles expecting him to be a game breaker.  Everyone says RBs are a dime a dozen.  Well 5'10 WRs are a dime a dozen as well but Tyreek Hill isn't.  The dude is a playmaker.  Makes big plays that changes the course of games.  Who cares what his position is called.  That is essentially what they are drafting Etienne to be.  A playmaker who changes the outcome of games with one or two big plays a game.  The Etienne pick shouldnt be critiqued because of the position title next to his name.  It should be critiqued on whether they scouted him well and if he can be the playmaker they expect him to be.  And even for those who are stuck in in the traditional mindset of each team having one bell cow RB getting 30 touches a game, was it a problem when we had Fred Taylor and MJD on the same team?  Of course not.  Just imagine if we had those two and Trevor Lawrence.  Good Lord that would have been a great offense.

Getting back to Baalke, it's too early to make an assessment.  I'm not a fan of what he did in SF and so far not a huge fan of what we've done here.  I don't love the draft strategy of taking injured guys.  In the offseason however it sounded as though that would really pay off.  But we havent seen much of Little or Cisco now that the real games have begun.  I'd like to see them get Cisco some reps.  The defense needs someone who can make big plays and he was known as being a ballhawk.  Ironically he'd likely replace the one guy in Winguard that actually generated a turnover (Lawson's was a gift), but we need someone who can consistently do it.  Didn't love the Campbell pick at the time and haven't seen anything to change my mind yet.  As far as guys who were on the team, dropping Quincy Williams looks like a mistake but maybe he'd be a bad fit in this scheme.  Some of those trades seem to have backfired.  Maybe Jones and Schobert aren't doing much for their teams but I think we could use them.  At this point I'd rather have Schobert than Wilson.  We're getting killed by Wilson's inability to cover and Schobert would fit in well there.  CB looked like a major strength during training camp and now we are picking up guys off the street to start for us.  

I will give them credit that the offensive line isn't as bad as I thought it'd be.  Injuries could change that.  But so far they haven't been that bad.  I still would like to see them address it next offseason.  Think they'll have to with the number of guys nearing the end of their contract.

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Scouting well is all that matters.  Draft philosophy is all fluff.

If Little amd Cisco can become solid or above average starters i guess next year they will look a lot better in my eyes.

It is normal for rookies not to play for awhile when drafted.  ON good teams rookies hardly play until year 2.

Yeah, so on this team they should ALL be playing.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Enough with the "ETN was a crap pick"  He got hurt so we do not know what he can contribute.

Yea I dont get the hatred of the Etienne pick.  With the versatility of elite players to flex between RB and WR, position designations are almost irrelevant in the NFL these days.  It's all about playmakers.  You don't draft Etienne because you want him to get 25 carries out of the back field like a traditional RB.  You draft him to get him 15-20 touches a game in a variety of roles expecting him to be a game breaker.  Everyone says RBs are a dime a dozen.  Well 5'10 WRs are a dime a dozen as well but Tyreek Hill isn't.  The dude is a playmaker.  Makes big plays that changes the course of games.  Who cares what his position is called.  That is essentially what they are drafting Etienne to be.  A playmaker who changes the outcome of games with one or two big plays a game.  The Etienne pick shouldnt be critiqued because of the position title next to his name.  It should be critiqued on whether they scouted him well and if he can be the playmaker they expect him to be.  And even for those who are stuck in in the traditional mindset of each team having one bell cow RB getting 30 touches a game, was it a problem when we had Fred Taylor and MJD on the same team?  Of course not.  Just imagine if we had those two and Trevor Lawrence.  Good Lord that would have been a great offense.

Getting back to Baalke, it's too early to make an assessment.  I'm not a fan of what he did in SF and so far not a huge fan of what we've done here.  I don't love the draft strategy of taking injured guys.  In the offseason however it sounded as though that would really pay off.  But we havent seen much of Little or Cisco now that the real games have begun.  I'd like to see them get Cisco some reps.  The defense needs someone who can make big plays and he was known as being a ballhawk.  Ironically he'd likely replace the one guy in Winguard that actually generated a turnover (Lawson's was a gift), but we need someone who can consistently do it.  Didn't love the Campbell pick at the time and haven't seen anything to change my mind yet.  As far as guys who were on the team, dropping Quincy Williams looks like a mistake but maybe he'd be a bad fit in this scheme.  Some of those trades seem to have backfired.  Maybe Jones and Schobert aren't doing much for their teams but I think we could use them.  At this point I'd rather have Schobert than Wilson.  We're getting killed by Wilson's inability to cover and Schobert would fit in well there.  CB looked like a major strength during training camp and now we are picking up guys off the street to start for us.  

I will give them credit that the offensive line isn't as bad as I thought it'd be.  Injuries could change that.  But so far they haven't been that bad.  I still would like to see them address it next offseason.  Think they'll have to with the number of guys nearing the end of their contract.

The reason that fans don't like the ETN pick is because it's not a good value pick.  You can get a good RB (or OG or safety) in the later rounds, but it's much harder to get a solid LT or QB later on in the draft.  For example, Rashawn Slater was available in 1st round instead of ETN and he's playing extremely well.  There were good RB's available in the 3rd and 4th rounds.  

Sure, ETN got injured so the jury is still out on him, but it's not about him per se as much as it is realizing the draft is about matching talent to positional value, because in the long run that's how good teams manage their salary cap.

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It is way too early to judge this draft class but do understand it has been mediocre so far outside of Lawrence.  With that said, he has traded away some dead weight that may end up being huge gains down the road.  Arnold outside of his bad game yesterday gave us more production in a few games than CJ Henderson has in about 18.   He did help  build a Superbowl roster so there is that.

I'd give Baalke a solid C- grade.  Below average.  Nowhere near deserving any sort of credit.

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