What's the point of saying "liberal" if you're not intending to make a statement about liberals? Why not just two white women? Answer that for me, and don't hide behind "they are liberal". Give me a good reason, one good reason, why including the word "liberal" in there is necessary unless you're intending to take a swing at liberals.

Are the two in that picture conservatives?

 

He could have produced the other meme that has Bruce Jenner in it.  He's a conservative, so the label couldn't be used there.  Would that be better? 

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Are the two in that picture conservatives?

 

He could have produced the other meme that has Bruce Jenner in it.  He's a conservative, so the label couldn't be used there.  Would that be better? 

Using conservative in a Caitlyn Jenner meme is the same thing: what does political affiliation have to do with it? My beef is with a right-wing person posting right-wing memes then insisting that they're not making right-wing statements by doing so. If you're taking a swing at liberals, say you're taking a swing at liberals. Short of Nazism, socialism or radical Islam, I'm not going to take issue with someone making political statements. What does annoy me is when someone uses humor, memes, whatever to sneak political commentary out there, then refuses to acknowledge what they're doing.

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What's the point of saying "liberal" if you're not intending to make a statement about liberals? Why not just two white women? Answer that for me, and don't hide behind "they are liberal". Give me a good reason, one good reason, why including the word "liberal" in there is necessary unless you're intending to take a swing at liberals.

 

I didn't create the meme, I took it from somewhere else.

 

Here is a good reason, and one that couldn't be answered earlier.  Please name one conservative that has ever done what these two have done, and provide your evidence.

 

I absolutely agree that not all liberals lie about who they really are for financial or status gain, but this phenomena seems to be confined to the liberal wing regarding politics.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Using conservative in a Caitlyn Jenner meme is the same thing: what does political affiliation have to do with it? My beef is with a right-wing person posting right-wing memes then insisting that they're not making right-wing statements by doing so. If you're taking a swing at liberals, say you're taking a swing at liberals. Short of Nazism, socialism or radical Islam, I'm not going to take issue with someone making political statements. What does annoy me is when someone uses humor, memes, whatever to sneak political commentary out there, then refuses to acknowledge what they're doing.

 

I never suggested that I wasn't making a "right wing statement" and don't deny it.  I do however deny making a blanket statement that says that "all liberals" do this kind of thing.

 

What I find interesting though, is it seems to me to be a common thing for those that tend to be liberal to say that they are someone who they are not in regards to race/ethnicity.  The bottom line is, the two individuals pictured in the meme blatantly lied in order to gain something for themselves.  I don't recall anyone that is conservative ever doing that.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

I didn't create the meme, I took it from somewhere else.


Here is a good reason, and one that couldn't be answered earlier. Please name one conservative that has ever done what these two have done, and provide your evidence.


I absolutely agree that not all liberals lie about who they really are for financial or status gain, but this phenomena seems to be confined to the liberal wing regarding politics.

What is the point of this post? There are crazy people in every party. Do we really want to open up the can of worms on what republicans have said and done? This thread would go on forever.

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I didn't create the meme, I took it from somewhere else.

 

Here is a good reason, and one that couldn't be answered earlier.  Please name one conservative that has ever done what these two have done, and provide your evidence.

 

I absolutely agree that not all liberals lie about who they really are for financial or status gain, but this phenomena seems to be confined to the liberal wing regarding politics.

It's unlikely that I'd find one. Being "transracial" wouldn't benefit a Republican politician at all, because as FBT pointed out, minority populations are essentially hard-wired to vote Democratic as this point.

 

What does seem to be a uniquely Republican form of scandal is covering up your sexual orientation. Larry Craig, one easy example, consistently voted against the extension of equal rights to homosexual couples, then was caught in the bathroom of the Minneapolis airport soliciting sexual favors from a man. Randy Boehning, who voted against an anti-discrimination bill, was caught sending explicit pictures on a gay singles app. David Dreier has voted against gay rights legislation for years, yet allegation after allegation have popped up about him having sex with his male staffers, including at least one long-term relationship.

 

Point being, each side lies about what's important to their voters. That's not to condone what Elizabeth Warren (who is a terrible legislator, btw) and Rachel Dolezal did. I could scour the web for days and I'd probably never find a report of a Republican pretending to be black, because that wouldn't win them any votes. I can find example after example of Republican politicians being outed as gay after a lengthy career opposing gay rights, and to me, that's no better than what Warren and Dolezal did.

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It's unlikely that I'd find one. Being "transracial" wouldn't benefit a Republican politician at all, because as FBT pointed out, minority populations are essentially hard-wired to vote Democratic as this point.

 

What does seem to be a uniquely Republican form of scandal is covering up your sexual orientation. Larry Craig, one easy example, consistently voted against the extension of equal rights to homosexual couples, then was caught in the bathroom of the Minneapolis airport soliciting sexual favors from a man. Randy Boehning, who voted against an anti-discrimination bill, was caught sending explicit pictures on a gay singles app. David Dreier has voted against gay rights legislation for years, yet allegation after allegation have popped up about him having sex with his male staffers, including at least one long-term relationship.

 

Point being, each side lies about what's important to their voters. That's not to condone what Elizabeth Warren (who is a terrible legislator, btw) and Rachel Dolezal did. I could scour the web for days and I'd probably never find a report of a Republican pretending to be black, because that wouldn't win them any votes. I can find example after example of Republican politicians being outed as gay after a lengthy career opposing gay rights, and to me, that's no better than what Warren and Dolezal did.

 

No, but you could certainly find examples where minorities who happen to be on the conservative side of the ledger are lambasted and blasted for selling out their race.  The whole "tolerance" thing liberals pride themselves over only extends to those who share their political beliefs. 

 

The interesting thing is that liberals constantly fixate on the social issues and act like it's the republicans doing so.  Social issues are very important to the progressive mindset.  True conservatives are less concerned about gay relationships than they are about how we're going to fund Medicare for the next decade, or deal with our enemies abroad.  That's not going to excite any progressive until such time as their benefits are cut off, or the terrorists are blowing up bombs in their neighborhoods. 

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What is the point of this post? There are crazy people in every party. Do we really want to open up the can of worms on what republicans have said and done? This thread would go on forever.

 

You must not have followed along or read previous posts.  The question has nothing to do with what republicans have said or done, unless it's the same as what the two liberals displayed in the meme that I posted.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

True conservatives are less concerned about gay relationships than they are about how we're going to fund Medicare for the next decade, or deal with our enemies abroad.

How many true conservatives are out there vs. people who just blindly accept and parrot off whatever Ted Cruz tells them to?

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It's unlikely that I'd find one. Being "transracial" wouldn't benefit a Republican politician at all, because as FBT pointed out, minority populations are essentially hard-wired to vote Democratic as this point.

 

What does seem to be a uniquely Republican form of scandal is covering up your sexual orientation. Larry Craig, one easy example, consistently voted against the extension of equal rights to homosexual couples, then was caught in the bathroom of the Minneapolis airport soliciting sexual favors from a man. Randy Boehning, who voted against an anti-discrimination bill, was caught sending explicit pictures on a gay singles app. David Dreier has voted against gay rights legislation for years, yet allegation after allegation have popped up about him having sex with his male staffers, including at least one long-term relationship.

 

Point being, each side lies about what's important to their voters. That's not to condone what Elizabeth Warren (who is a terrible legislator, btw) and Rachel Dolezal did. I could scour the web for days and I'd probably never find a report of a Republican pretending to be black, because that wouldn't win them any votes. I can find example after example of Republican politicians being outed as gay after a lengthy career opposing gay rights, and to me, that's no better than what Warren and Dolezal did.

 

OK, I'm going to "call you out" on a typical liberal tactic (yes, that is a blanket statement).

 

First of all, there is no such thing as a "transracial" person.  If it really matters, it's less possible to do than a "transgender" procedure.

 

What I'm "calling you out on" is trying to change the focus of discussion.  Since you can't "win" the argument, change the focus to a social dilemma.  The sexual habits of certain republican politicians is NOT the same as what two liberals have done.  Yes they may have voted one way and lived their personal lives a different way, but it's not the same thing.

 

Your problem is the use of the word "liberal" in the meme.  There really is nothing that you can say that changes that from being the truth.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

How many true conservatives are out there vs. people who just blindly accept and parrot off whatever Ted Cruz tells them to?

 

I would venture to say that there are far many more than you realize.  Here's a little factoid for you.  There are many conservatives that are registered democrat.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

You must not have followed along or read previous posts. The question has nothing to do with what republicans have said or done, unless it's the same as what the two liberals displayed in the meme that I posted.

Who cares is my point. Both sides point fingers and have 10 pointing right back at them. It Is the same every year. Not sure how people on both sides who do it don't see it.

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No, but you could certainly find examples where minorities who happen to be on the conservative side of the ledger are lambasted and blasted for selling out their race. The whole "tolerance" thing liberals pride themselves over only extends to those who share their political beliefs.


The interesting thing is that liberals constantly fixate on the social issues and act like it's the republicans doing so. Social issues are very important to the progressive mindset. True conservatives are less concerned about gay relationships than they are about how we're going to fund Medicare for the next decade, or deal with our enemies abroad. That's not going to excite any progressive until such time as their benefits are cut off, or the terrorists are blowing up bombs in their neighborhoods.

Of course it is important to republicans. They are on the other side fighting to keep same sex marriage illegal. How do you think we got to this point where being gay has become acceptable? By not caring. Social issues are impoetant. If they weren't there would be a huge fight for them. This post is ridiculous.


And there are other social issues, just used that as an example since so much progress has been made.

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OK, I'm going to "call you out" on a typical liberal tactic (yes, that is a blanket statement).

 

First of all, there is no such thing as a "transracial" person.  If it really matters, it's less possible to do than a "transgender" procedure.

 

What I'm "calling you out on" is trying to change the focus of discussion.  Since you can't "win" the argument, change the focus to a social dilemma.  The sexual habits of certain republican politicians is NOT the same as what two liberals have done.  Yes they may have voted one way and lived their personal lives a different way, but it's not the same thing.

 

Your problem is the use of the word "liberal" in the meme.  There really is nothing that you can say that changes that from being the truth.

I don't give any credence to "transracial" people either. That's why I put it in quotes.

 

The way I see it, both issues boil down to lying to a lot of people about a key element of your life in order to advance your position. Since turnabout is fair play and all that...

 



 

I don't see how the use of the word "liberal" in your meme has anything more to do with things than the word "conservative" in mine. At issue is that one woman in particular (Warren was dragged into this conversation late) lied about her background, her life experiences, her family and her challenges in life to advance herself to where she is. I don't care if she's liberal, conservative, libertarian, socialist or a Nazi, that's wrong. Her political views have nothing to do with what she did, so your insistence on drawing them back into the conversation is ridiculous. I'm tired of banging my head against a brick wall. You win. Enjoy your thread.

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Of course it is important to republicans. They are on the other side fighting to keep same sex marriage illegal. How do you think we got to this point where being gay has become acceptable? By not caring. Social issues are impoetant. If they weren't there would be a huge fight for them. This post is ridiculous.


And there are other social issues, just used that as an example since so much progress has been made.

 

Conservatives are actually more about government staying out of marriage all together.  Let the state, and individual churches and other institutions determine the definition of marriage, not the state.  

 

Marriage licenses were the byproduct of progressives controlling who married whom in order to prevent mixed race marriages going back 150 years or so.  Progressives want to add more government intervention into marriage in order to force the issue on gay marriage when the reality is government should just stay out of it all together.

 

A perfect example of how social issues matter so much to progressives is the fact that they are pushing so hard to elect the first woman president.  It's more important to elect based on gender or race than it is to elect someone who is capable and qualified.

 

I'm not saying social issues aren't important to conservatives.  I'm simply saying that they don't rate as highly on the list of concerns for those on the right than they do for those on the left who are all about identity politics. 

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I don't give any credence to "transracial" people either. That's why I put it in quotes.

 

The way I see it, both issues boil down to lying to a lot of people about a key element of your life in order to advance your position. Since turnabout is fair play and all that...

 



 

I don't see how the use of the word "liberal" in your meme has anything more to do with things than the word "conservative" in mine. At issue is that one woman in particular (Warren was dragged into this conversation late) lied about her background, her life experiences, her family and her challenges in life to advance herself to where she is. I don't care if she's liberal, conservative, libertarian, socialist or a Nazi, that's wrong. Her political views have nothing to do with what she did, so your insistence on drawing them back into the conversation is ridiculous. I'm tired of banging my head against a brick wall. You win. Enjoy your thread.

 

However, the lies that these two "men" told advanced their position how?

 

I would argue the fact that both memes are equal.  The words "liberal" and "conservative" are used equally.

 

Don't bang your head against that brick wall too hard.  I can build you one that is a bit softer.   ^_^

 

I enjoy debating you and your insight.  Don't want to see you hurt yourself. 

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Just like Bruce Jenner this is the case of a mentally ill women who has lost her identity and created a fabricated history to fit her newly fictional identity. In this case it seems more people are willing to admit she has a problem and needs help. Sadly in Bruce's case his illness is celebrated that's the only difference.

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Just like Bruce Jenner this is the case of a mentally ill women who has lost her identity and created a fabricated history to fit her newly fictional identity. In this case it seems more people are willing to admit she has a problem and needs help. Sadly in Bruce's case his illness is celebrated that's the only difference.

 

When did Bruce Jenner lose his identity?  From all the interviews, even when he was a young child, he had the sense that he should have been a female.  Who are you to say his story is fabricated?  I get that it fits your narrative and beliefs, but why make something up?

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However, the lies that these two "men" told advanced their position how?


I would argue the fact that both memes are equal. The words "liberal" and "conservative" are used equally.


Don't bang your head against that brick wall too hard. I can build you one that is a bit softer. ^_^


I enjoy debating you and your insight. Don't want to see you hurt yourself.

Being anti gay and anti gay marriage was all the rage about 10 years ago...


Don't you remember the 2004 presidential election? It was a wedge issue that helped get Bush re-elected

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However, the lies that these two "men" told advanced their position how?


I would argue the fact that both memes are equal. The words "liberal" and "conservative" are used equally.


Don't bang your head against that brick wall too hard. I can build you one that is a bit softer. ^_^


I enjoy debating you and your insight. Don't want to see you hurt yourself.

They lied for a reason. Obviously they felt coming out would not advance their position so yes, lieing in their minds did advance themselves within the party.

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