Honest question, and I'm just curious where everyone would stand on this:

 

For the sake of argument, let's assume Marrone was hired as a contingency plan. Do you think that's a good move by Caldwell?

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Honest question, and I'm just curious where everyone would stand on this:

 

For the sake of argument, let's assume Marrone was hired as a contingency plan. Do you think that's a good move by Caldwell?

No. If you don't think your head coach is the right guy to lead the team, then you fire your head coach and hire a new one. You don't hire an offensive line coach because he's your "contingency plan" for firing the head coach during the season. You hire an offensive line coach to coach your offensive line.

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I think the staff as a whole lacked experience and they sought coaches with more experience. Marrone was one of them. 

 

Any GM is aware of potential interim coaches that lie in wait on his staff should a HC change be necessary. That's their job. 

Did Caldwell hire Marrone with this in mind?  Doubtful.  

He just had a chance to get a great line coach for a line sorely in need of help and he jumped on it.

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Honest question, and I'm just curious where everyone would stand on this:

 

For the sake of argument, let's assume Marrone was hired as a contingency plan. Do you think that's a good move by Caldwell?

Considering Caldwell didn't hire him?  Absolutely.  Never thought of that. 

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Considering Caldwell didn't hire him?  Absolutely.  Never thought of that. 

 

So that's a yes then?

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So that's a yes then?

Have you read any of this thread?

 

If not, please explain to the rest of us how Caldwell could have had a contingency plan that included hiring a coach he didn't actually hire to be the next head coach of this team?  You do realize that Gus made that hire, right?  There's a pretty clear division of responsibilities with this franchise.  Caldwell may have a big hand in hiring the head coach for this team, but he leaves it to that person to hire his own staff.  So, please, tell us how he managed to get Gus to hire his own replacement?

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Have you read any of this thread?

 

If not, please explain to the rest of us how Caldwell could have had a contingency plan that included hiring a coach he didn't actually hire to be the next head coach of this team?  You do realize that Gus made that hire, right?  There's a pretty clear division of responsibilities with this franchise.  Caldwell may have a big hand in hiring the head coach for this team, but he leaves it to that person to hire his own staff.  So, please, tell us how he managed to get Gus to hire his own replacement?

FBT, this is a guy who's stated that Marrone hired Nathaniel Hackett. I think you're giving him too much credit here.

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Have you read any of this thread?

 

If not, please explain to the rest of us how Caldwell could have had a contingency plan that included hiring a coach he didn't actually hire to be the next head coach of this team?  You do realize that Gus made that hire, right?  There's a pretty clear division of responsibilities with this franchise.  Caldwell may have a big hand in hiring the head coach for this team, but he leaves it to that person to hire his own staff.  So, please, tell us how he managed to get Gus to hire his own replacement?

 

Of course they're going to say Gus made the hire, but Caldwell is certainly going to have input. Caldwell was always going to have a longer leash than Bradley since he's a GM.... He isn't going to stand idly and have no input on the future of his quarterback.

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FBT, this is a guy who's stated that Marrone hired Nathaniel Hackett. I think you're giving him too much credit here.

 

You think the Hackett hire was just coincidence then? That's a bit naive.

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Have you read any of this thread?

 

If not, please explain to the rest of us how Caldwell could have had a contingency plan that included hiring a coach he didn't actually hire to be the next head coach of this team?  You do realize that Gus made that hire, right?  There's a pretty clear division of responsibilities with this franchise.  Caldwell may have a big hand in hiring the head coach for this team, but he leaves it to that person to hire his own staff.  So, please, tell us how he managed to get Gus to hire his own replacement?

 

That's why it's called a hypothetical, bud

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Honest question, and I'm just curious where everyone would stand on this:

 

For the sake of argument, let's assume Marrone was hired as a contingency plan. Do you think that's a good move by Caldwell?

Considering the guy just up and quit on his last head coaching job, Caldwell would have to be a complete moron to hire the guy as a contingency plan.

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Considering Caldwell didn't hire him?  Absolutely.  Never thought of that. 

 

Just to be fair - Bradley stated clearly that he and Dave huddle and discuss the coaching staff hirings, but yes, it IS ultimately Bradley's call on his coaching staff hirings. 

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Have you read any of this thread?

 

If not, please explain to the rest of us how Caldwell could have had a contingency plan that included hiring a coach he didn't actually hire to be the next head coach of this team?  You do realize that Gus made that hire, right?  There's a pretty clear division of responsibilities with this franchise.  Caldwell may have a big hand in hiring the head coach for this team, but he leaves it to that person to hire his own staff.  So, please, tell us how he managed to get Gus to hire his own replacement?

i think i was the one who originaly brought this up when Marrone was hired... and this is pretty much the whole argument that perpetuated for about 10 pages... lately ive been feeling more like this isn't the case... typicaly if the head coach is going to get caned, minus interim rolls, the whole staff is going with him to clear way for the new guy.. if marrone did become our interim due to a mid season firing, i doubt it would be by design... it would be due to a catastrophic season, something i hope the front office, caldwell, or bradley would not be making arrangements for.

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GMs and head coaches have behind the scenes spats all the time. Usually that stuff comes out when one of the two gets fired. Publicly they need to get along and agree on everything, but the fact of the matter is that Caldwell is Bradley's boss, plain and simple. You aren't always going to agree with your boss, but you're going to do what he/she says.

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Just to be fair - Bradley stated clearly that he and Dave huddle and discuss the coaching staff hirings, but yes, it IS ultimately Bradley's call on his coaching staff hirings. 

 

Which anyone would expect him to do.  But, as you said, ultimately it's a Gus hire, and not a Dave deal.  There was no ulterior motive in the hire.

 

 

That's why it's called a hypothetical, bud

 

This hypothetical dead horse was beaten into glue dozens of posts ago.  Caldwell didn't hire Marrone, so your hypothetical is a swing and a miss. 

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

GMs and head coaches have behind the scenes spats all the time. Usually that stuff comes out when one of the two gets fired. Publicly they need to get along and agree on everything, but the fact of the matter is that Caldwell is Bradley's boss, plain and simple. You aren't always going to agree with your boss, but you're going to do what he/she says.

You're reaching now.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

In other companies there's hierarchy. This is no different. Managers are going to make decisions that appear to be their own doing on the surface, but the big wigs above them are pulling strings behind the scenes a lot of the time. People seem to think football hierarchy works entirely different.

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You're reaching now.

 

Is Caldwell not Gus' boss?

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In other companies there's hierarchy. This is no different. Managers are going to make decisions that appear to be their own doing on the surface, but the big wigs above them are pulling strings behind the scenes a lot of the time. People seem to think football hierarchy works entirely different.

 

The coach hiring his staff independent of the GM is actually a very different model than the conventional hierarchy.  But it does indeed work that way, whether you believe it or not. 

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You think the Hackett hire was just coincidence then? That's a bit naive.

January 16: Jaguars interview Nathaniel Hackett. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...or-search/

 

January 20: Jaguars hire Doug Marrone as offensive line coach. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...ead-coach/

 

So you're going to tell me that Doug Marrone hired Nathaniel Hackett as the Jaguars' QB coach before Marrone was even on the coaching staff?

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