Yes.
I'd go after the best available FA for center this offseason with a vengeance. Hopefully someone who has the brain to run Pederson's ZBS but can also get a push running power gap stuff when we need it. 

LG - I'd try to re-up Cleveland if the bad game was strictly about injury and not some drop off due to scheme change

Center - Best FA we can get 

RG - keep Scherff one more year and draft a 2nd or 3rd rounder to groom behind him 

LT - this is the weird one due to injuries and cap uncertainty - I'm just uncertain here - it's a gamble every which way but -  Little + spending another 1st round pick on a tackle is one way 
- Keeping Cam+Little is the other/easiest way to go - No idea what this staff wants to do there

RT is good

RG - Tugboat maybe?

RG- Kenvin Dotson

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LT

Move Harrison to LT for next season. This is where he belongs with his quick feet but lack of run-blocking power. It's where he played in college. 
Cut Cam and save the cap. Yes, he's above average when he's not suspended or hurt, but availability trumps ability. 
Keep Little as the swing tackle until his rookie contract ends to backup Harrison. 

LG

Re-sign Cleveland. 
Cut Bartsch. 

C

Sign the best available free agent Center with a vengeance, as another poster said. 
Cut Shatley. Thank you for your longtime service. Here's a gift card to Ruth Chris. 
Keep Fortner on his cheap rookie contract, but cut him if he hasn't added 20 lbs. of muscle in the offseason. 

RG

Cut Scherff to save cap room. 
Draft a starting potential guard to compete here and provide depth.
Sign a starting potential guard to compete here and provide depth.

RT

Draft a mauler type RT, someone like Dawand Jones. 
Little can compete at RT to push the rookie.


Additional fixes:

Let Ridley walk. Sign Tee Higgins.
Resign Josh Allen.
Let Chaisson walk.
Let Jenkins walk. Start Antonio.

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Move Harrison to LT for next season. This is where he belongs with his quick feet but lack of run-blocking power. It's where he played in college. 
Cut Cam and save the cap. Yes, he's above average when he's not suspended or hurt, but availability trumps ability. 
Keep Little as the swing tackle until his rookie contract ends to backup Harrison. 

LG

Re-sign Cleveland. 
Cut Bartsch. 

C

Sign the best available free agent Center with a vengeance, as another poster said. 
Cut Shatley. Thank you for your longtime service. Here's a gift card to Ruth Chris. 
Keep Fortner on his cheap rookie contract, but cut him if he hasn't added 20 lbs. of muscle in the offseason. 

RG

Cut Scherff to save cap room. 
Draft a starting potential guard to compete here and provide depth.
Sign a starting potential guard to compete here and provide depth.

RT

Draft a mauler type RT, someone like Dawand Jones. 
Little can compete at RT to push the rookie.

This would be a completely different starting 5 from week 1 this year.
It'd be completely new players for 3/5 of the line.
Kinda hard to see this happening unless we have major changes to scheme, coaches, or GM

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LT

Move Harrison to LT for next season. This is where he belongs with his quick feet but lack of run-blocking power. It's where he played in college. 
Cut Cam and save the cap. Yes, he's above average when he's not suspended or hurt, but availability trumps ability. 
Keep Little as the swing tackle until his rookie contract ends to backup Harrison. 

LG

Re-sign Cleveland. 
Cut Bartsch. 

C

Sign the best available free agent Center with a vengeance, as another poster said. 
Cut Shatley. Thank you for your longtime service. Here's a gift card to Ruth Chris. 
Keep Fortner on his cheap rookie contract, but cut him if he hasn't added 20 lbs. of muscle in the offseason. 

RG

Cut Scherff to save cap room. 
Draft a starting potential guard to compete here and provide depth.
Sign a starting potential guard to compete here and provide depth.

RT

Draft a mauler type RT, someone like Dawand Jones. 
Little can compete at RT to push the rookie.

This would be a completely different starting 5 from week 1 this year.
It'd be completely new players for 3/5 of the line.
Kinda hard to see this happening unless we have major changes to scheme, coaches, or GM

Actually, it'd be new players for 4/5 of the line. 

The OP asked what would we do if we were GM. GM DogCatcher would make drastic changes because the line has been a disaster. 

Moving Harrison to his natural position puts him in his ideal spot AND saves a ton of Cam cap room. Little is kept to push him there. 

Cutting Scherff just needs to be done. He's become like Linder in his last year or two. He's broken down and destined for the injured/questionable list all season. Same with Shatley. Only way I'd keep Scherff is if he agreed to a cap-friendly one-year deal at a backup-level/spot-starter rate. 

Fortner is the worst starting center in the league, per PFF and the eyeball test. There's no "consistency" benefit to keeping him in the starting lineup.

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Ben Bartch is in San Francisco.

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Ben Bartch is in San Francisco.

That’s an ideal spot for him - far away from Jacksonville.

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LT

Move Harrison to LT for next season. This is where he belongs with his quick feet but lack of run-blocking power. It's where he played in college. 
Cut Cam and save the cap. Yes, he's above average when he's not suspended or hurt, but availability trumps ability. 
Keep Little as the swing tackle until his rookie contract ends to backup Harrison. 

LG

Re-sign Cleveland. 
Cut Bartsch. 

C

Sign the best available free agent Center with a vengeance, as another poster said. 
Cut Shatley. Thank you for your longtime service. Here's a gift card to Ruth Chris. 
Keep Fortner on his cheap rookie contract, but cut him if he hasn't added 20 lbs. of muscle in the offseason. 

RG

Cut Scherff to save cap room. 
Draft a starting potential guard to compete here and provide depth.
Sign a starting potential guard to compete here and provide depth.

RT

Draft a mauler type RT, someone like Dawand Jones. 
Little can compete at RT to push the rookie.


Additional fixes:

Let Ridley walk. Sign Tee Higgins.
Resign Josh Allen.
Let Chaisson walk.
Let Jenkins walk. Start Antonio.

I really don't like the idea of moving Harrison over from RT to LT already going into year two. Especially with an off season where he probably needs to focus on his shoulder injury that nagged him all year. 

I think you have to try and figure out a way to restructure Cam Robinson's deal or you cut him and replace him with a draft pick in RD2 or RD3 that can compete with Walker Little for the starting job. Unless you luck out and get one late in RD1 and he starts immediately. 

LG I think needs to be a combination of two things. With or without Cleveland. I think you have to draft a swing tackle/guard within the first three rounds. Should help and go a long way towards covering our basis. 

I think signing a Center is a better idea. Have been on record and on board with this recently. There's a few that should be available. Mainly the Center's from the Raiders and Dolphins and maybe Biadasz out of Dallas. All three of those players are upgrades over Fortner and we lose that fear of a rookie trying to compete and start right away. 

RT is fine in this scenario on my end with Harrison entering into his 2nd year and hopefully fully healed. He's been the lone bright spot this year on this offensive line. Keep that spot bright by not moving him at all.

At the minimum, regardless of who is in the front office two, three months from now. This team needs to walk out of free agency and the draft with two new starters on the offensive line and at least another swing tackle/guard that can start and/or replace the likes of Walker Little if needed or Brandon Scherff.

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This would be a completely different starting 5 from week 1 this year.
It'd be completely new players for 3/5 of the line.
Kinda hard to see this happening unless we have major changes to scheme, coaches, or GM

Actually, it'd be new players for 4/5 of the line. 

The OP asked what would we do if we were GM. GM DogCatcher would make drastic changes because the line has been a disaster. 

Moving Harrison to his natural position puts him in his ideal spot AND saves a ton of Cam cap room. Little is kept to push him there. 

Cutting Scherff just needs to be done. He's become like Linder in his last year or two. He's broken down and destined for the injured/questionable list all season. Same with Shatley. Only way I'd keep Scherff is if he agreed to a cap-friendly one-year deal at a backup-level/spot-starter rate. 

Fortner is the worst starting center in the league, per PFF and the eyeball test. There's no "consistency" benefit to keeping him in the starting lineup.

Scherff has been fine in pass protection for the most part but sucks in the run game unless he's the guy pulling wide and blocking second level.  I bet if he is no longer babysitting Fortner he'd be a bit better. 

Shatley has been miserably bad all the way around. 2022 and 2023. 

I see those guys in two very different categories. 

Scherff is a guy who could play a stop gap role until a younger player might be ready to take over  - maybe during the reg season. 
Shatley is a backup that can't be relied on anymore.

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Heard on radio just now. 49ers are working Bartch out at Center. Interesting.

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Just need a better center for sure. It starts with a good center. You need good guards too. This allows you to run right up the middle or pull guards. Those three in the middle are everything.

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I know everyone prefers FA to build the OL, but on offense already all TE/WRs are getting paid, ETN (RB) is on 1st round salaray (cap allocation) so he is not on a huge discount, and T-Law is looking at getting big money in a few seasons.

Basically you cannot afford to stock the majority of the offense with guys on those types of deals. Unless, you think Baalke and the coaching staff can build a defense fully through draft and developing players. And that won't happen because Allen gets paid next year, Campbell is coming up, and a lot of defensive players are already getting paid right now. And they haven't shown anything to trust their ability to do that.

So on offense next year, you have to be okay with a few rookie contracts on the roster at IOL, or at WR with releasing Zay and not signing Ridley.

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I know everyone prefers FA to build the OL, but on offense already all TE/WRs are getting paid, ETN (RB) is on 1st round salaray (cap allocation) so he is not on a huge discount, and T-Law is looking at getting big money in a few seasons.

Basically you cannot afford to stock the majority of the offense with guys on those types of deals. Unless, you think Baalke and the coaching staff can build a defense fully through draft and developing players. And that won't happen because Allen gets paid next year, Campbell is coming up, and a lot of defensive players are already getting paid right now. And they haven't shown anything to trust their ability to do that.

So on offense next year, you have to be okay with a few rookie contracts on the roster at IOL, or at WR with releasing Zay and not signing Ridley.

I agree. I believe it must be a 50/50 split situation. I still think you can land a quality Center in free agency though that could result in a 4 - 5 year deal for the right player and price. I just don't like the idea of taking the weakest position we have on offense and trying to rely on yet again another rookie.

That doesn't mean you don't draft one if you feel confident in one. But, it just means you take your chances on a proven veteran that's already graded out highly or respectably at this level already. We're already stocked on TE's/WR's for the time being via free agency so I would imagine we'll begin to see Baalke and the front office pursue backfills in some of these areas. 

To an extent, he tried that already with Strange in RD2 and Bigsby in RD3. In my opinion, you're not taking skill position players that highly without some extent or degree of long term goals or visions of them being potential replacements to the guys you're fixing to have to pay again or ultimately lose. So far though, it looks like the evaluations were wrong, not really shocking considering Baalke's track record going back to San Francisco.

He has a better eye for defensive lineman and secondary players than he does offensively across the board in my honest opinion. We really need another set of eyes in this building to help out moving forward. I expect another rookie or two starting on the offensive line later on this season this year though. Just seems like we'll be in the prime area of each round where teams will start a run on OT's, DE's and WR's and that typically results in pick of the litter at interior lineman positions.

I think BOTH sides of the football for the interior need to be addressed though. We're strapped down financially with Hamilton, RHH and Smoot but it wouldn't hurt to try and add a rookie in the mix. I think Fatukasi has been a disappointment for me personally. Not sure how everybody on here views him but I just don't see anything out of him when he's out there.

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LT

Move Harrison to LT for next season. This is where he belongs with his quick feet but lack of run-blocking power. It's where he played in college. 
Cut Cam and save the cap. Yes, he's above average when he's not suspended or hurt, but availability trumps ability. 
Keep Little as the swing tackle until his rookie contract ends to backup Harrison. 

LG

Re-sign Cleveland. 
Cut Bartsch. 

C

Sign the best available free agent Center with a vengeance, as another poster said. 
Cut Shatley. Thank you for your longtime service. Here's a gift card to Ruth Chris. 
Keep Fortner on his cheap rookie contract, but cut him if he hasn't added 20 lbs. of muscle in the offseason. 

RG

Cut Scherff to save cap room. 
Draft a starting potential guard to compete here and provide depth.
Sign a starting potential guard to compete here and provide depth.

RT

Draft a mauler type RT, someone like Dawand Jones. 
Little can compete at RT to push the rookie.


Additional fixes:

Let Ridley walk. Sign Tee Higgins.
Resign Josh Allen.
Let Chaisson walk.
Let Jenkins walk. Start Antonio.

I'm down with all of this.

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This would be a completely different starting 5 from week 1 this year.
It'd be completely new players for 3/5 of the line.
Kinda hard to see this happening unless we have major changes to scheme, coaches, or GM

Actually, it'd be new players for 4/5 of the line. 

The OP asked what would we do if we were GM. GM DogCatcher would make drastic changes because the line has been a disaster. 

Moving Harrison to his natural position puts him in his ideal spot AND saves a ton of Cam cap room. Little is kept to push him there. 

Cutting Scherff just needs to be done. He's become like Linder in his last year or two. He's broken down and destined for the injured/questionable list all season. Same with Shatley. Only way I'd keep Scherff is if he agreed to a cap-friendly one-year deal at a backup-level/spot-starter rate. 

Fortner is the worst starting center in the league, per PFF and the eyeball test. There's no "consistency" benefit to keeping him in the starting lineup.

Too much change for changing sakes.
New center, New RG. Keep Cam, Harrison, and Cleveland. Little swing.

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LT

Move Harrison to LT for next season. This is where he belongs with his quick feet but lack of run-blocking power. It's where he played in college. 
Cut Cam and save the cap. Yes, he's above average when he's not suspended or hurt, but availability trumps ability. 
Keep Little as the swing tackle until his rookie contract ends to backup Harrison. 

LG

Re-sign Cleveland. 
Cut Bartsch. 

C

Sign the best available free agent Center with a vengeance, as another poster said. 
Cut Shatley. Thank you for your longtime service. Here's a gift card to Ruth Chris. 
Keep Fortner on his cheap rookie contract, but cut him if he hasn't added 20 lbs. of muscle in the offseason. 

RG

Cut Scherff to save cap room. 
Draft a starting potential guard to compete here and provide depth.
Sign a starting potential guard to compete here and provide depth.

RT

Draft a mauler type RT, someone like Dawand Jones. 
Little can compete at RT to push the rookie.


Additional fixes:

Let Ridley walk. Sign Tee Higgins.
Resign Josh Allen.
Let Chaisson walk.
Let Jenkins walk. Start Antonio.

I agree with most of your ideas for the OL. Moving Harrison to left tackle has not been talked about much, but I agree that this would be the best move. He played this position in college so the move from right to left tackle shouldn't be too difficult.

Going after the top free agent center would also be critical. Lloyd Cushenberry is my choice as he has improved every year and would be a huge upgrade from Fortner. The price tag should be affordable if they release certain players.

According to Jeff Lageman, the team really likes Ezra Cleveland. He performed well at guard for the Vikings and I expect the team to re-sign him to start at one of the guard positions. He can also play tackle, if injuries occur like they did this season. At age 25, his best football is likely ahead of him.

The right tackle spot can be addressed with the first round pick. I agree that finding a mauler would be the way to go and taking either Taliese Fuaga or Troy Fautanu, both from the Pac 12, would bring much needed physicality to the offensive line. Both of these players could also move to guard. Walker Little can also compete at this position.

The toughest call for me is what to do with Brandon Scherff. His $24 million contract seems way too high for someone who gets hurt so often and his performance, when healthy, has just been o.k. Unfortunately, the the team takes a $15 million dead cap hit by releasing him. The best solution seems to be to get him to re-do his current deal and keep him for one more season. His leadership would be valuable, especially on a line with so many moving parts. Whether he would do this is another question. Letting Robinson walk is also a tough call as most on this thread obviously want to keep him. The team must pay Josh Allen and Lawrence, however, and I believe Harrison is very capable of replacing him at left tackle.

The line would look like this to begin 2024-25:

Harrison.    Cleveland.    Cushenberry.    Scherff.    Fuaga/Fautanu.    (Swing tackle is Little)


I'll leave it up to the offensive line gurus to determine whether this line would be able to come together enough to begin the season. This line (other than Scherff) should be able to remain together for several years as they continue to draft quality depth/competition going forwards.

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Move Harrison to LT for next season. This is where he belongs with his quick feet but lack of run-blocking power. It's where he played in college. 
Cut Cam and save the cap. Yes, he's above average when he's not suspended or hurt, but availability trumps ability. 
Keep Little as the swing tackle until his rookie contract ends to backup Harrison. 

LG

Re-sign Cleveland. 
Cut Bartsch. 

C

Sign the best available free agent Center with a vengeance, as another poster said. 
Cut Shatley. Thank you for your longtime service. Here's a gift card to Ruth Chris. 
Keep Fortner on his cheap rookie contract, but cut him if he hasn't added 20 lbs. of muscle in the offseason. 

RG

Cut Scherff to save cap room. 
Draft a starting potential guard to compete here and provide depth.
Sign a starting potential guard to compete here and provide depth.

RT

Draft a mauler type RT, someone like Dawand Jones. 
Little can compete at RT to push the rookie.


Additional fixes:

Let Ridley walk. Sign Tee Higgins.
Resign Josh Allen.
Let Chaisson walk.
Let Jenkins walk. Start Antonio.

Dunno how plausible it would be given our cap space.. but if I was building the line to be good this upcoming year..

I'd want

LT - Cam Robinson

LG - Erza Cleveland 

C - Our biggest free agent signing.

RG - Scherf / 1st round draft pick

RT - Anton Harrison


Alternatively, if they really want to get rid of Scherf/Cam for money sake (which imo would be risky)

I'd want at least a Center/Tackle in free agency, I do not want to trot out a line of rookies that may or may not work out.

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The Jaguars are barreling into an Andrew Luck situation if they keep Baalke.

The team has a great QB and coach without a lot to work with. Khan needs to get a decent talent evaluator/roster builder in quick before we're looking at Trevor in the rear view mirror since he just can't take the punishment anymore.

The last two months have shaken my faith in Trevor and Doug.

There hasn’t been a bigger Trevor fan on the board than me. I believed in him. And I still do. But this season has proved to me he’s not the next Brady or Mahomes, or even Luck. He’s still a franchise quarterback. But he’s been injured in one story another all year. His confidence is damaged from play behind a trash O line all three years he’s been in the league. His decision making needs a revamp. Regardless, I’ll always be his fan, if more realistic in my outlook.

Doug is the first real winner in terms of demeanor, culture, and talent that we’ve had since Coughlin. He’s a man of admirable character. But his aggressiveness is reckless. It’s not winning football. He’s loyal to a fault. He let himself get fired in Philly over loyalty to Press Taylor. He won’t fire him now. And make no mistake. Taylor isn’t half the coach his brother is. This offense is broken. It’s more than bad line play. It’s not fundamentally sound. And Taylor cannot consistently call a good game. If Doug won’t get rid of Press and won’t fix his broken offense, he needs to go. What we saw the last two years is as good as it’s going to get.

Which leads us to Shad Khan. Shad is a good man, I think. He’s committed to Jacksonville. But I have never seen in him the willingness to hold people accountable and suffer no fools. Maybe Tony has more of that? I don’t know. But there must be major changes if this is ever going to be a consistently good team.

The first change is a new GM. Too much draft capital for too little return, spent mostly in the wrong places. Baalke has been fairly good in FA. But he’s not a good drafter. Time to give a better option a shot.


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Fix the O-Line!

We need to get stronger on both sides of the LOS.

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Respect the game.  Play with a sense of urgency. 


1.)  Take care of the ball.  Win the turnover battle.

2.)  It's all about 3rd down.  Win on 3rd down to win the game.

3.) Playmakers make plays.  The only reason that you put your uniform on is to make plays. In order to EARN your paycheck, you must make plays.  

Learn from the great collapse of 2023.  

The fact that the O line is such a train wreck 3 years after drafting our "generational quarterback" tells me there is some malfeasance in the GM's office. Yeah, he's made some good trades here and there, but neglecting the O line for this long is like operating a bank with no vault. It's a glaring oversight that is almost unforgivable. 

"It's time to LOCK DOWN THE BANK!"
Uh, we can't. The GM didn't put any locks on the doors.

Not only do they need to rethink their OL procurement history, but possibly the traits they've been shopping for.

To quote a Jaguar legend on the subject:


"we have a finesse team... need some real dawgs"

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We need Sedrick Van Pran at Center and Jack Nelson at Guard/Tackle. Start there.

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Fix the O-Line!