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The Jaguars are barreling into an Andrew Luck situation if they keep Baalke.

The team has a great QB and coach without a lot to work with. Khan needs to get a decent talent evaluator/roster builder in quick before we're looking at Trevor in the rear view mirror since he just can't take the punishment anymore.

It's all coming into focus. Baalke embodies the Peter Principle. He's better suited as a Pro Personnel Director than GM. He has a knack for identifying free agents. Not so much the draft. Only way I'd retain him is by bringing in someone like Rick Spielman to run the draft. They could each report to Khan and manage their own departments. That would be true accountability. As for final say and strategy regarding roster composition, I'm envisioning roundtable meetings with Pederson, Spielman, Tony Khan, Baalke, a few key assistants. Tony sits back and listens to all the ideas and has final say, but he's mainly a moderator to ensure everyone is communicating well and consensus is formed. Obviously, there'd be some egos involved with two GM types in the building but I think it would create healthy competition.

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"I am only an average man, but by George, I work harder at it than the average man." - Teddy Roosevelt

Interesting, you think flushing money and picks on guys that can't play is to his credit?

The problem isn't that Baalke has signed and drafted guys, the problem is only some the guys he signed in free agency or drafted very high are any good (not all of them are) and the majority of his picks have been utter trash. That's not sustainable.

Khan needs to make a move this off-season. His biggest problem has been too much patience, but hopefully the Urban saga has remedied that.

If the Jags win the division and a playoff game, it'll be almost impossible to fire Baalke.

I don't know about that.

If the Jaguars had stayed healthy and were 10-3 right now and headed for the number one seed I could see it buying Baalke another year, but the way the season has gone has proven those of us that have been criticizing him right.

You can't build sustained success through free agency, it takes good drafting, and he's been terrible in the draft.

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The Jaguars are barreling into an Andrew Luck situation if they keep Baalke.

The team has a great QB and coach without a lot to work with. Khan needs to get a decent talent evaluator/roster builder in quick before we're looking at Trevor in the rear view mirror since he just can't take the punishment anymore.

It's all coming into focus. Baalke embodies the Peter Principle. He's better suited as a Pro Personnel Director than GM. He has a knack for identifying free agents. Not so much the draft. Only way I'd retain him is by bringing in someone like Rick Spielman to run the draft. They could each report to Khan and manage their own departments. That would be true accountability. As for final say and strategy regarding roster composition, I'm envisioning roundtable meetings with Pederson, Spielman, Tony Khan, Baalke, a few key assistants. Tony sits back and listens to all the ideas and has final say, but he's mainly a moderator to ensure everyone is communicating well and consensus is formed. Obviously, there'd be some egos involved with two GM types in the building but I think it would create healthy competition.

Just hire Spielman to be the GM and dump Baalke, there's no need for this team to keep someone like him around at all.

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If the Jags win the division and a playoff game, it'll be almost impossible to fire Baalke.

I don't know about that.

If the Jaguars had stayed healthy and were 10-3 right now and headed for the number one seed I could see it buying Baalke another year, but the way the season has gone has proven those of us that have been criticizing him right.

You can't build sustained success through free agency, it takes good drafting, and he's been terrible in the draft.

The fact that the O line is such a train wreck 3 years after drafting our "generational quarterback" tells me there is some malfeasance in the GM's office. Yeah, he's made some good trades here and there, but neglecting the O line for this long is like operating a bank with no vault. It's a glaring oversight that is almost unforgivable. 

"It's time to LOCK DOWN THE BANK!"
Uh, we can't. The GM didn't put any locks on the doors.

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I don't know about that.

If the Jaguars had stayed healthy and were 10-3 right now and headed for the number one seed I could see it buying Baalke another year, but the way the season has gone has proven those of us that have been criticizing him right.

You can't build sustained success through free agency, it takes good drafting, and he's been terrible in the draft.

The fact that the O line is such a train wreck 3 years after drafting our "generational quarterback" tells me there is some malfeasance in the GM's office. Yeah, he's made some good trades here and there, but neglecting the O line for this long is like operating a bank with no vault. It's a glaring oversight that is almost unforgivable. 

"It's time to LOCK DOWN THE BANK!"
Uh, we can't. The GM didn't put any locks on the doors.

Neglecting it would actually be better, then maybe we'd be able to point to good players he drafted, instead. However he hasn't neglected it, he's just done a bad job all around of finding talent.

What's the strongest position on the team besides Trevor? Wide receiver, and none of the starters were drafted here.

Our best defensive player was drafted by Caldwell, and after three drafts Chaisson is somehow still on the roster, how is it possible to draft so many linebackers and still have that guy around?

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I don't know about that.

If the Jaguars had stayed healthy and were 10-3 right now and headed for the number one seed I could see it buying Baalke another year, but the way the season has gone has proven those of us that have been criticizing him right.

You can't build sustained success through free agency, it takes good drafting, and he's been terrible in the draft.

The fact that the O line is such a train wreck 3 years after drafting our "generational quarterback" tells me there is some malfeasance in the GM's office. Yeah, he's made some good trades here and there, but neglecting the O line for this long is like operating a bank with no vault. It's a glaring oversight that is almost unforgivable. 

"It's time to LOCK DOWN THE BANK!"
Uh, we can't. The GM didn't put any locks on the doors.

Not only do they need to rethink their OL procurement history, but possibly the traits they've been shopping for.

To quote a Jaguar legend on the subject:


"we have a finesse team... need some real dawgs"

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We need Sedrick Van Pran at Center and Jack Nelson at Guard/Tackle. Start there.

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I'll disagree, with the caveat to talk to me again at the end of April.

Dude used two picks, including our first, last year to address the line. We traded for an LG/T that may be part of the long-term approach. We've spent early picks in the past few years on the line. We can all armchair GM and hindsight our way to 'obvious' misses but you can't say he's turning a blind eye to the matter.

Yes, we need to keep building. Guys get older, guys get hurt, guys get expensive. It's a continuous cycle of replacement. It's better that the guys we've either missed on or lost to injury were the mid-to-late picks. Whiffing on early guys or overspending on flag magnets like the Chefs did would be much more fireable an offense.

Now if we go into April and spend a bunch of darft capital on WR and defensive secondary guys? Ride him out of town on a rail. I just don't see that happening...Yet.

Aside from being tragically over confident in Bartch and Fortner heading into this season and failing to prepare any contingency worth a damn - I think the biggest issue has been the ZBS-"athletic" lineman focus in acquisitions. 
Even if we do continue to run a ton of ZBS stuff - you can't do it whilst having 3 IOL who can't ever get you a single yard of push when you need to convert or scrape across the GL. Pederson/Baalke (and probably Rauscher to a degree) have overplayed their hand in this regard. 

Scherff does his job pretty well more often than not and he looks great pulling and going second level at times, but he gets very little push at the line, and the two guys to the left have been a much worse version of that until Ezra showed up. 

Personally - I'd rethink how much ZBS stuff they run and install a page of power stuff in the offseason to compliment it. Of course they'd need to refit at least two out of the three IOL players. 

Whether Ezra or Scherff are brought back or not - they desperately need a better Center and at least one guard who can get some push but still be athletic enough for the larger scheme. 

Outside of that - we'll know if Little is the future or not by season's end. I feel good about RT an LT may be alright if Little can get on track. So far he's logged some sketchy enough play to be concerned and he's showing a potential durability issue. 

So - I don't put it all on Baalke, it's a combination of acquisitions that aren't good enough and an over reliance on athletic traits in a one dimensional run scheme. I just hope this staff isn't looking at this C/G situation with the complacency they had looking at it back in March and April.

Agreed. As stated elsewhere, I can't say he's the reason the line stinks out loud. He's taken measures to address the line, maybe not as radically as some wish. I think we were at much greater risk with an overnight rebuild of the majority of the line. I honestly am more fearful of letting him go only to find out we hire someone completely unprepared for the task as we did when we moved on from Shack.

ZBS as you stated is a big issue - we need to figure out our identity. If we are going to run in order to pass, we need to beef up the line so that the run can be our meat and potatoes. If we are going to be a pass-first offense, we need to get a wall of men that are going to at very least delay interior rushes to give Trevor time to set up throws.
Truth be told, I don't think they know what they want to be. Get that question answered, and draft to suit. I honestly don't care if it's Baalke, some hobo on the train tracks, or Tony Khan making the picks.

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It's because early in the game Lawrence had his fastest time to throw of the year and as the game went on they were force to let play develop more and things fell apart. I honestly don't understand how some don't see how bad the line is. I feel like the time to throw has made it look better then it is which is crazy to think about.

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It's because early in the game Lawrence had his fastest time to throw of the year and as the game went on they were force to let play develop more and things fell apart. I honestly don't understand how some don't see how bad the line is. I feel like the time to throw has made it look better then it is which is crazy to think about.

He had the 2nd fastest release last year in the NFL. He was sandwiched in between Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady. I know Lamar Jackson buys a [BLEEP] ton of time when he wants to or needs to, but, there were clocks on him last night of having 5, 6, 7 and even up to 8 seconds in the pocket and outside the pocket at times to make plays with his arm. 

They invested in that offensive line though. They have to work through injuries as well but Tyler Linderbaum is working out good for them up there at Center and they did have Conklin working well for him when he's healthy. Orlando Brown Jr. also worked out good for them before he bolted for Kansas City in free agency and then came back over to the North with Cincinnati. 

All of the top teams in the NFL have a common trait or two. They bully you at the line of scrimmage on both sides, they take away at least one thing from you offensively and they can run the damn football at will at times if you allow it and don't have an answer for it.

San Francisco does it. Philadelphia does it. Baltimore does it. Detroit does it. Miami even does it. We're lopsided so badly now on offense that we're expecting Lawrence week in and week out to will this offense into winning football and he just can't do it against the better teams in the NFL. That's all it boils down to. At least Doug finally admitted that today. 

Now, he needs to admit that they're too soft and too weak in the trenches, because that's where it all starts.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

It's because early in the game Lawrence had his fastest time to throw of the year and as the game went on they were force to let play develop more and things fell apart. I honestly don't understand how some don't see how bad the line is. I feel like the time to throw has made it look better then it is which is crazy to think about.

He had the 2nd fastest release last year in the NFL. He was sandwiched in between Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady. I know Lamar Jackson buys a [BLEEP] ton of time when he wants to or needs to, but, there were clocks on him last night of having 5, 6, 7 and even up to 8 seconds in the pocket and outside the pocket at times to make plays with his arm. 

They invested in that offensive line though. They have to work through injuries as well but Tyler Linderbaum is working out good for them up there at Center and they did have Conklin working well for him when he's healthy. Orlando Brown Jr. also worked out good for them before he bolted for Kansas City in free agency and then came back over to the North with Cincinnati. 

All of the top teams in the NFL have a common trait or two. They bully you at the line of scrimmage on both sides, they take away at least one thing from you offensively and they can run the damn football at will at times if you allow it and don't have an answer for it.

San Francisco does it. Philadelphia does it. Baltimore does it. Detroit does it. Miami even does it. We're lopsided so badly now on offense that we're expecting Lawrence week in and week out to will this offense into winning football and he just can't do it against the better teams in the NFL. That's all it boils down to. At least Doug finally admitted that today. 

Now, he needs to admit that they're too soft and too weak in the trenches, because that's where it all starts.

10/10, no notes.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I listened to Boselli and Prisco yesterday and it was interesting to hear what Boselli had to say. He's usually hesitant to be negative about the team, but his frustration with this season is obviously getting to him. He called the offensive line "soft" and said that winning teams typically have mauling offensive lines setting the tone. He also said Walker Little is hurt and hopefully that's the reason he allowed 8 pressures. As we have said, the team needs to make the OL top priority in the off-season.

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I listened to Boselli and Prisco yesterday and it was interesting to hear what Boselli had to say. He's usually hesitant to be negative about the team, but his frustration with this season is obviously getting to him. He called the offensive line "soft" and said that winning teams typically have mauling offensive lines setting the tone. He also said Walker Little is hurt and hopefully that's the reason he allowed 8 pressures. As we have said, the team needs to make the OL top priority in the off-season.

Yeah, folks forget that Little is playing on a bad hamstring too. He's gutting it out, but those don't heal overnight.

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It's because early in the game Lawrence had his fastest time to throw of the year and as the game went on they were force to let play develop more and things fell apart. I honestly don't understand how some don't see how bad the line is. I feel like the time to throw has made it look better then it is which is crazy to think about.

He had the 2nd fastest release last year in the NFL. He was sandwiched in between Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady. I know Lamar Jackson buys a [BLEEP] ton of time when he wants to or needs to, but, there were clocks on him last night of having 5, 6, 7 and even up to 8 seconds in the pocket and outside the pocket at times to make plays with his arm. 

They invested in that offensive line though. They have to work through injuries as well but Tyler Linderbaum is working out good for them up there at Center and they did have Conklin working well for him when he's healthy. Orlando Brown Jr. also worked out good for them before he bolted for Kansas City in free agency and then came back over to the North with Cincinnati. 

All of the top teams in the NFL have a common trait or two. They bully you at the line of scrimmage on both sides, they take away at least one thing from you offensively and they can run the damn football at will at times if you allow it and don't have an answer for it.

San Francisco does it. Philadelphia does it. Baltimore does it. Detroit does it. Miami even does it. We're lopsided so badly now on offense that we're expecting Lawrence week in and week out to will this offense into winning football and he just can't do it against the better teams in the NFL. That's all it boils down to. At least Doug finally admitted that today. 

Now, he needs to admit that they're too soft and too weak in the trenches, because that's where it all starts.

Tied with Tua this year

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That’s the problem with not playing with a lead. Jags need to get back to playing with a lead, and it will cure problems.

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That’s the problem with not playing with a lead. Jags need to get back to playing with a lead, and it will cure problems.

Playing with a lead requires being able to run the football. Something they cannot do.

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He had the 2nd fastest release last year in the NFL. He was sandwiched in between Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady. I know Lamar Jackson buys a [BLEEP] ton of time when he wants to or needs to, but, there were clocks on him last night of having 5, 6, 7 and even up to 8 seconds in the pocket and outside the pocket at times to make plays with his arm. 

They invested in that offensive line though. They have to work through injuries as well but Tyler Linderbaum is working out good for them up there at Center and they did have Conklin working well for him when he's healthy. Orlando Brown Jr. also worked out good for them before he bolted for Kansas City in free agency and then came back over to the North with Cincinnati. 

All of the top teams in the NFL have a common trait or two. They bully you at the line of scrimmage on both sides, they take away at least one thing from you offensively and they can run the damn football at will at times if you allow it and don't have an answer for it.

San Francisco does it. Philadelphia does it. Baltimore does it. Detroit does it. Miami even does it. We're lopsided so badly now on offense that we're expecting Lawrence week in and week out to will this offense into winning football and he just can't do it against the better teams in the NFL. That's all it boils down to. At least Doug finally admitted that today. 

Now, he needs to admit that they're too soft and too weak in the trenches, because that's where it all starts.

Tied with Tua this year

Which is interesting, because, that team obviously has one of the better offenses in the NFL, they're clearly stacked at WR and RB. They're getting better defensively as guys return back from injury. 

I think a lot of that though is McDaniel's offense and the way they play football in general. Quick, timing stuff, a lot of presnap motion and multi route options on one play, etc. 

It's been impressive to watch. Would have to dig further into where the offensive line stacks up across the board though. I know they can run the football pretty damn good when they need to though and that's a major factor in their success.

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Get Fortner out this off season.

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Get Fortner out this off season.

I wanted Tyler Linderbaum back in 2022's draft. It's too bad we just missed him. Baltimore snagged him at 25 and we traded up to land Devin Lloyd that night with pick 27. 

They have to replace Fortner though. It's a necessity at this point. It sucks, but, as much as I would like to see them draft another guy? Like a Van Pran out of Georgia or Frazier out of West Virginia? 

I would feel a little more confident and better for Lawrence if they landed a veteran in free agency. That's not too long in the tooth but established already. Right now, Connor Williams with the Dolphins and Andre James with the Raiders are set to be free agents. 

They're grading out pretty well through this season so far. Would probably be safer bets instead of chancing it again on a rookie.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

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Get Fortner out this off season.

They really should have Shatley playing now. Move Fortner to G since that's where he played. It's not like it can be worse.

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