So...Dalton, Ryan, Flacco, or Stafford? I'll easily take that. You don't need an elite QB to win a SB...you just need a capable one. (I never considered Big Ben to be elite, btw)

I agree to an extent. You need more than just a capable QB. He needs to be able to elevate the team around him as well. Garrard was a capable QB. We were not going anywhere with him.

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Nope....his team let him down...oh wait...that excuse is only for your guy.

Haha so true, so true.

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I agree to an extent. You need more than just a capable QB. He needs to be able to elevate the team around him as well. Garrard was a capable QB. We were not going anywhere with him.

 

By capable I wasn't considering Garrard. I was talking more along the lines of the quarterbacks I mentioned in that post. Flacco won a superbowl and he is not elite. Big Ben won two, and IMO he is not elite. Eli Manning, he won two as well...is he elite? We just need someone who can flat out get the job done. If he turns out to be a superstar, then awesome. 

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Point in, Mariota played in what will be the closest thing to an NFL game until he leaves Oregon. Made terrible throws under fire and was very lucky he didn't lose alot of fumbles. His ball security is terrible. I don't care that he has yet to throw an int, his rubning ability is what makes him stand out but fumbling is the fastest way off of any football team. He is not ready to be an NFL starter

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"Expect for the best. Prepare for the worst. Capitalize on what comes."

 

By capable I wasn't considering Garrard. I was talking more along the lines of the quarterbacks I mentioned in that post. Flacco won a superbowl and he is not elite. Big Ben won two, and IMO he is not elite. Eli Manning, he won two as well...is he elite? We just need someone who can flat out get the job done. If he turns out to be a superstar, then awesome. 

 

This whole elite thing has gotten silly. Thanks John Clayton!

 

You win two Super Bowls and you're not elite? So who's elite, those who do the most commercials?

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The sun's not yellow, it's chicken.

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/991425...-afc-squad

 

<p style="font-size:12px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><b>Draft analysis:</b> This choice likely could come down to Mariota and Bridgewater, and two key variables would go into the decision: Who do they grade as the No. 1 QB on the board, and are there any QB-needy teams picking in front of them? Both Mariota (No. 2 overall on our board right now) and Bridgewater (No. 3) are very good players, but Mariota gets the slight edge because of his tremendous upside. He has elite speed as a runner to go along with a very quick release and good accuracy. Bridgewater is a good athlete as well, but he does most of his damage from the pocket. He is tough, a good decision-maker and has a strong, accurate arm.

<p style="font-size:12px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;text-align:right;"><i>-- Todd McShay</i>

<div>He says Mariota but I like his take on Bridgewater much better, good decision maker, better from the pocket, strong and accurate arm. I will take that over elite speed, quick release and upside any day. Its not like Bridgewater doesnt have upside, but just drafting a guy due to better upside gets you fired, see Blaine Gabbert. 
 

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I think we've reached the end of the draft guru period of influence. 

 

Teams used to cave into the large amounts of unfair and inappropriate pressure being placed upon them by so called experts, who frequently are actually not much more than good old fashioned ten in one freak show type shills being paid by sports agents. 

 

We need to continue to build our roster. You don't do that by drafting needs. You do that by drafting the best player you can with each and ever pick regardless of what position is involved. You have to load your roster with the best period. Keep loading your roster with the best players available regardless of position and the apparent needs disappear.

 

Neither Bridgewater nor Mariota is playing like a guy who wants to be drafted at the very top of the 2014 NFL Draft.

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First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. - Mahatma Gandhi

 

http://s6.postimg.org/vyr2ycdfz/Teddy_Br...cked_4.gif

Yeah, and even he gets some big misses.....remember his praise for Gabbert??

 

And Gene Smith.  Ugh!  :yucky: :verymad:

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I think we've reached the end of the draft guru period of influence. 

 

Teams used to cave into the large amounts of unfair and inappropriate pressure being placed upon them by so called experts, who frequently are actually not much more than good old fashioned ten in one freak show type shills being paid by sports agents. 

 

We need to continue to build our roster. You don't do that by drafting needs. You do that by drafting the best player you can with each and ever pick regardless of what position is involved. You have to load your roster with the best period. Keep loading your roster with the best players available regardless of position and the apparent needs disappear.

 

Neither Bridgewater nor Mariota is playing like a guy who wants to be drafted at the very top of the 2014 NFL Draft.

 

Troy Aikman's senior year stats

 

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/play...man-1.html

 

John Elway's senior year stats

 

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/play...way-1.html

 

Eli Manning's senior years stats

 

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/play...way-1.html

 

Bridgewater's stats

 

http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/511614/

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This whole elite thing has gotten silly. Thanks John Clayton!

 

You win two Super Bowls and you're not elite? So who's elite, those who do the most commercials?

 

That's a little extreme analysis of what I said, don't you think? For fans, there needs to be a measurement of "who's better". Otherwise, what do we have to talk about? Anyway...if you look at the stats and careers of the different QBs who have won superbowls I think you would find a big difference between Joe Flacco, Big Ben, Eli and then Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, John Elway. This is what I mean. I'll still take the other guys because, like I said and you seemed to ignore, you don't need a Tom Brady or Peyton. You just need a guy capable of getting the job done. I think there are a bunch of guys in that department who have yet to win one. Stafford, Ryan, Dalton, Wilson, Romo, and Rivers could do it, IMO. 

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The saddest part of our fandom when it comes to college football is the people who don't understand stat differences in a pro style offense compared to a spread offense.

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The saddest part of our fandom when it comes to college football is the people who don't understand stat differences in a pro style offense compared to a spread offense.

Its called no critical thinking, people want it the easy way and that way is not using your brain. 

 

Too much thinking and reasoning for people

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Mariota has a BAD game. He looked lost the entire time and was completely nervous.

 

Teddy just had a bad stat game where his receivers accounted for 6+ drops because their hands were ice blocks. Teddy himself was perfect except for like 3 passes.

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Mariota has a BAD game. He looked lost the entire time and was completely nervous.

 

Teddy just had a bad stat game where his receivers accounted for 6+ drops because their hands were ice blocks. Teddy himself was perfect except for like 3 passes.

I am very skeptical with Mariota's qb play under duress...I think he is going to have a problem if he comes out this year

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I think we've reached the end of the draft guru period of influence. 

 

Teams used to cave into the large amounts of unfair and inappropriate pressure being placed upon them by so called experts, who frequently are actually not much more than good old fashioned ten in one freak show type shills being paid by sports agents. 

 

We need to continue to build our roster. You don't do that by drafting needs. You do that by drafting the best player you can with each and ever pick regardless of what position is involved. You have to load your roster with the best period. Keep loading your roster with the best players available regardless of position and the apparent needs disappear.

 

Neither Bridgewater nor Mariota is playing like a guy who wants to be drafted at the very top of the 2014 NFL Draft.

 

Teams have their own scouting personnel organizations and agencies (ie. Blesto) to base their opinions and grades for the college prospects.  They do not cave into any 'draft guru' influence currently nor in the past.  The scouts have access to more information (especially interviews and medical) than any of the 'draft gurus'.  Teams do not care what draft gurus like McShay and Kiper think of the prospect(s).

 

The reality is that many players may have a similar grade (or rank) when it is a team's time to make a draft selection.  At that point, both our infamous Gene and Dave have stated that they do look at position.  A team does not wish to wind up with 10 RBs selected in a draft due to being at the top of a force ranked prospect board.  Due to the importance of the position and the shortage in a particular draft of potential 'franchise' ones, the QBs are often and usually picked above their ranking on a board.

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Dave Caldwell was with the Falcons when they took Ryan and worked under Polian who was partly responsible for both Manning and Luck.

 

Still blows my mind that they think he would take a DE over a franchise QB.

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So...Dalton, Ryan, Flacco, or Stafford? I'll easily take that. You don't need an elite QB to win a SB...you just need a capable one. (I never considered Big Ben to be elite, btw)

This

 

There are only 4 elite level QBs, Tom Brady, Manning, Brees and Rodgers, and you cant expect to get that, all you need is a guy who is gonna get you to the playoffs every year. If you have that your in the Super Bowl Hunt every year, and its easy to build your team.

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<B><FONT color=cyan>Jags this is your year</FONT></B>

This

 

There are only 4 elite level QBs, Tom Brady, Manning, Brees and Rodgers, and you cant expect to get that, all you need is a guy who is gonna get you to the playoffs every year. If you have that your in the Super Bowl Hunt every year, and its easy to build your team.

 

Well in 5-6 years most if not all of those guys will be out of the league.

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The saddest part of our fandom when it comes to college football is the people who don't understand stat differences in a pro style offense compared to a spread offense.

 

TBH, I'm not sure why people are saying Bridgewater is not performing like the number one overall pick.

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TBH, I'm not sure why people are saying Bridgewater is not performing like the number one overall pick.

 

The same reason why we had people here who wanted our franchise QB to be Zac Dysert or Ryan Nassib. Stupidity.

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Well in 5-6 years most if not all of those guys will be out of the league.

 

Brady, Manning and Brees, yes. Rodgers should still be here. And who knows who will come around to fill the void. That's a lot of drafts for new talent to emerge. Heck, Case Keenum may end up being the real deal. Andrew Luck is well on his way. RGIII and Wilson could mature into top QBs. It's fun to speculate. 

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