Did you read about the Interview with Ramsey on what went down?  Thats one side of the story but its all we have at this point.  Good point in that article was that Coughlin talks tough one minute and then now is hiding under a rock with the details.

Oh and Jalen admitted he faked the injury to force us to let him go.

Yes, I read the rest.  I don’t think Tom is hiding like folks are saying on the board. Why should he give a post mortem on the situation?  It just lowers him to Ramsey’s level. The kid has proven himself a liar and a cheat. Why should we believe his self serving spin on what happened?

I agree that it would not be productive for TC to give a post mortem.  If he gave his straight opinion, which I assume he would, he would just get up there and slam Ramsey, and there's no good that can come out of that now.  The next thing you know, Ramsey would be in the media disputing TC's account of what happened, and then they'd have to go back and forth in the media, and that would be a mess.

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Good read for the Anti-Coughlin 

https://www.si.com/nfl/jaguars/news/colu...QKBK59g7w/

As soon as he wrote that Ramsey’s injury was legit, you knew a crap opinion piece was to follow.  That was worthy of reddit or a message board, not of anything under the SI banner.

It was a steaming pile of .

Pretty much.  Especially when the author of the poor OP-ED cited a blogger from BCC.

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Speaking of whether or not Tony Khan could replace TC, has anyone ever seen a job description of Exec VP of Football Ops?  (The Jaguars version of the job, of course.)

I don't care what you THINK it is, I'd like to see some sort of official or published version of a job description, if there is one.

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Speaking of whether or not Tony Khan could replace TC, has anyone ever seen a job description of Exec VP of Football Ops?  (The Jaguars version of the job, of course.)

He just walks around the building and does whatever he wants. At least, that's what it seems.

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Tony Khan ran Fulham into the ground. Giving him any say whatsoever in running this organization would be a negative. If he is really given some kind of control, or God forbid the EVP role, it should be strictly as eyes and ears so that he can report to Shad what is going on. I'm sure Shad is far too busy to keep an eye on things at all times and Tony could fill that role. But the minute he starts making player personnel moves or influencing coaching decisions, we'd be less off for it most likely.

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Tony Khan ran Fulham into the ground.  Giving him any say whatsoever in running this organization would be a negative.  If he is really given some kind of control, or God forbid the EVP role, it should be strictly as eyes and ears so that he can report to Shad what is going on.  I'm sure Shad is far too busy to keep an eye on things at all times and Tony could fill that role. But the minute he starts making player personnel moves or influencing coaching decisions, we'd be less off for it most likely.

As I've said many times before in this thread, my idea of EVP would be that he has to stay out of personnel and coaching.  It seems like there's too many cooks right now.  Heck, we don't even know who's responsible for making our draft picks.  Who decided to draft Leonard Fournette?  TC?  Caldwell?  How about Minshew?  Who decided that one?  Who is responsible?  Too many cooks in the kitchen.  They should either drastically scale back that role, or eliminate it entirely.  We don't need two General Managers, which is basically what we have right now.

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Did you read about the Interview with Ramsey on what went down?  Thats one side of the story but its all we have at this point.  Good point in that article was that Coughlin talks tough one minute and then now is hiding under a rock with the details.

Oh and Jalen admitted he faked the injury to force us to let him go.

Yes, I read the rest.  I don’t think Tom is hiding like folks are saying on the board. Why should he give a post mortem on the situation?  It just lowers him to Ramsey’s level. The kid has proven himself a liar and a cheat. Why should we believe his self serving spin on what happened?


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Right now it would be after the fact.  The entire fanbase has been waiting on him to speak since the day of the incident.  Thats hiding under a rock no matter how much people blame Ramsey for what happened afterwards.  If you say something to an individual and then it blows up and everyone is asking to hear from the man who caused it, you speak up.  Ramsey said he said things behind closed doors that he wouldnt say anywhere else.  Doesnt seem like a lie to me since i havent heard a peep from him.  Thats weak sauce and makes him just as untrustworthy as the player.

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Yes, I read the rest.  I don’t think Tom is hiding like folks are saying on the board. Why should he give a post mortem on the situation?  It just lowers him to Ramsey’s level. The kid has proven himself a liar and a cheat. Why should we believe his self serving spin on what happened?


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Right now it would be after the fact.  The entire fanbase has been waiting on him to speak since the day of the incident.  Thats hiding under a rock no matter how much people blame Ramsey for what happened afterwards.  If you say something to an individual and then it blows up and everyone is asking to hear from the man who caused it, you speak up.  Ramsey said he said things behind closed doors that he wouldnt say anywhere else.  Doesnt seem like a lie to me since i havent heard a peep from him.  Thats weak sauce and makes him just as untrustworthy as the player.

But if TC comes out and gives his version, then Ramsey will have to come out and refute it, and it'll go back and forth, and there's nothing to be gained from that.

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Right now it would be after the fact.  The entire fanbase has been waiting on him to speak since the day of the incident.  Thats hiding under a rock no matter how much people blame Ramsey for what happened afterwards.  If you say something to an individual and then it blows up and everyone is asking to hear from the man who caused it, you speak up.  Ramsey said he said things behind closed doors that he wouldnt say anywhere else.  Doesnt seem like a lie to me since i havent heard a peep from him.  Thats weak sauce and makes him just as untrustworthy as the player.

But if TC comes out and gives his version, then Ramsey will have to come out and refute it, and it'll go back and forth, and there's nothing to be gained from that.

I agree rn its dead.  Still doesnt change the fact that the man hid from everyone and we have to debate whether the player is lying about it or is this FO just that bad and disrespectful.  I already don't trust the FO so he can stay quiet and hopefully prepack his bags for his release at the end of the year.

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Speaking of whether or not Tony Khan could replace TC, has anyone ever seen a job description of Exec VP of Football Ops?  (The Jaguars version of the job, of course.)

I don't care what you THINK it is, I'd like to see some sort of official or published version of a job description, if there is one.

In a nutshell I think that he runs the football part of the operation in the owner's absence.  As we have seen, the owner has the final say regarding personnel decisions regarding both players and coaching staff.

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Yes, I read the rest.  I don’t think Tom is hiding like folks are saying on the board. Why should he give a post mortem on the situation?  It just lowers him to Ramsey’s level. The kid has proven himself a liar and a cheat. Why should we believe his self serving spin on what happened?


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Right now it would be after the fact.  The entire fanbase has been waiting on him to speak since the day of the incident.  Thats hiding under a rock no matter how much people blame Ramsey for what happened afterwards.  If you say something to an individual and then it blows up and everyone is asking to hear from the man who caused it, you speak up.  Ramsey said he said things behind closed doors that he wouldnt say anywhere else.  Doesnt seem like a lie to me since i havent heard a peep from him.  Thats weak sauce and makes him just as untrustworthy as the player.

No one cares what Tom Coughlin said.

What we do care about is that regardless of what Coughlin said, Jalen was too weak to handle it. And I don't care if he was the most talented CB in the NFL (he's not) - we shouldn't want WEAK players on our team.

That's just spittin' facts.

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Yes, I read the rest.  I don’t think Tom is hiding like folks are saying on the board. Why should he give a post mortem on the situation?  It just lowers him to Ramsey’s level. The kid has proven himself a liar and a cheat. Why should we believe his self serving spin on what happened?


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Right now it would be after the fact.  The entire fanbase has been waiting on him to speak since the day of the incident.  Thats hiding under a rock no matter how much people blame Ramsey for what happened afterwards.  If you say something to an individual and then it blows up and everyone is asking to hear from the man who caused it, you speak up.  Ramsey said he said things behind closed doors that he wouldnt say anywhere else.  Doesnt seem like a lie to me since i havent heard a peep from him.  Thats weak sauce and makes him just as untrustworthy as the player.

The “man who caused it” is the player by his words and behavior. Ramsey is a proven liar. Of the things Coughlin is, liar is not among them.

Some folks don’t relate well to authority or authoritative people. Ramsey is one. Evidently, some posters are, too.


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Right now it would be after the fact.  The entire fanbase has been waiting on him to speak since the day of the incident.  Thats hiding under a rock no matter how much people blame Ramsey for what happened afterwards.  If you say something to an individual and then it blows up and everyone is asking to hear from the man who caused it, you speak up.  Ramsey said he said things behind closed doors that he wouldnt say anywhere else.  Doesnt seem like a lie to me since i havent heard a peep from him.  Thats weak sauce and makes him just as untrustworthy as the player.

No one cares what Tom Coughlin said.

What we do care about is that regardless of what Coughlin said, Jalen was too weak to handle it. And I don't care if he was the most talented CB in the NFL (he's not) - we shouldn't want WEAK players on our team.

That's just spittin' facts.

That's a huge problem and spitting facts is the opposite of your post, but believe what you want.

Right now it would be after the fact.  The entire fanbase has been waiting on him to speak since the day of the incident.  Thats hiding under a rock no matter how much people blame Ramsey for what happened afterwards.  If you say something to an individual and then it blows up and everyone is asking to hear from the man who caused it, you speak up.  Ramsey said he said things behind closed doors that he wouldnt say anywhere else.  Doesnt seem like a lie to me since i havent heard a peep from him.  Thats weak sauce and makes him just as untrustworthy as the player.

The “man who caused it” is the player by his words and behavior.   Ramsey is a proven liar. Of the things Coughlin is, liar is not among them.

Some folks don’t relate well to authority or authoritative people. Ramsey is one. Evidently, some posters are, too.


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You may be right.  If my bosses' boss talked to me disrespectfully, about me and my boss arguing over what i felt was my importance to the company and trust between us, i'd have 2 options...  Stay at the job and know i don't matter or go to a company that appreciates my talents.  What he did was just that, although he had to fake the significance of a reported injury to make it happen.  The point is that Coughlin comes out and talks tough when it comes to fans opinions on his job but when a player says something, silence.  Thats weak and you can spin it however you want.  Still weak an he'll get his bye felicia moment as well.

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No one cares what Tom Coughlin said.

What we do care about is that regardless of what Coughlin said, Jalen was too weak to handle it. And I don't care if he was the most talented CB in the NFL (he's not) - we shouldn't want WEAK players on our team.

That's just spittin' facts.

That's a huge problem and spitting facts is the opposite of your post, but believe what you want.

The “man who caused it” is the player by his words and behavior.   Ramsey is a proven liar. Of the things Coughlin is, liar is not among them.

Some folks don’t relate well to authority or authoritative people. Ramsey is one. Evidently, some posters are, too.


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You may be right.  If my bosses' boss talked to me disrespectfully, about me and my boss arguing over what i felt was my importance to the company and trust between us, i'd have 2 options...  Stay at the job and know i don't matter or go to a company that appreciates my talents.  What he did was just that, although he had to fake the significance of a reported injury to make it happen.  The point is that Coughlin comes out and talks tough when it comes to fans opinions on his job but when a player says something, silence.  Thats weak and you can spin it however you want.  Still weak an he'll get his bye felicia moment as well.

The only one weak here is Jalen Ramsey.

Period.

He got punked by an 80 year old man.

What a gigantic snowflake.... and you're sounding like one too.

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That's a huge problem and spitting facts is the opposite of your post, but believe what you want.
You may be right.  If my bosses' boss talked to me disrespectfully, about me and my boss arguing over what i felt was my importance to the company and trust between us, i'd have 2 options...  Stay at the job and know i don't matter or go to a company that appreciates my talents.  What he did was just that, although he had to fake the significance of a reported injury to make it happen.  The point is that Coughlin comes out and talks tough when it comes to fans opinions on his job but when a player says something, silence.  Thats weak and you can spin it however you want.  Still weak an he'll get his bye felicia moment as well.

The only one weak here is Jalen Ramsey.

Period.

He got punked by an 80 year old man.

What a gigantic snowflake.... and you're sounding like one too.

Call it what you want but that 80 yr old man has done nothing of note to help improve this team.  He can go stay in assisted living for all i care and you can feed and clothes him.  I doubt if Jalen put his hands on the old man he would gain anything so he did what he thought was necessary.  You sound dumb thinking he punked anybody lol.  You must have been beat up by an elderly adult before and have some fear of abuse.

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That's a huge problem and spitting facts is the opposite of your post, but believe what you want.
You may be right.  If my bosses' boss talked to me disrespectfully, about me and my boss arguing over what i felt was my importance to the company and trust between us, i'd have 2 options...  Stay at the job and know i don't matter or go to a company that appreciates my talents.  What he did was just that, although he had to fake the significance of a reported injury to make it happen.  The point is that Coughlin comes out and talks tough when it comes to fans opinions on his job but when a player says something, silence.  Thats weak and you can spin it however you want.  Still weak an he'll get his bye felicia moment as well.

The only one weak here is Jalen Ramsey.

Period.

He got punked by an 80 year old man.

What a gigantic snowflake.... and you're sounding like one too.

Agreed.

Ramsey has been plotting his escape for months. People seem to continuously overlook the facts. This incident was just a convenient excuse.

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The only one weak here is Jalen Ramsey.

Period.

He got punked by an 80 year old man.

What a gigantic snowflake.... and you're sounding like one too.

Call it what you want but that 80 yr old man has done nothing of note to help improve this team.  He can go stay in assisted living for all i care and you can feed and clothes him.  I doubt if Jalen put his hands on the old man he would gain anything so he did what he thought was necessary.  You sound dumb thinking he punked anybody lol.  You must have been beat up by an elderly adult before and have some fear of abuse.

Now you've got me questioning not only your toughness but your intelligence.. at the very least your reading comprehension.

Tom Coughlin put a diva in his place and probably used language that is very common in coaching. Lots of F bombs. That kind of thing. An athlete is used to this from High School onward. The fact that this language from Tom caused Jalen to cry means he is weak. Mentally weak and probably isn't very tough physically either, I mean this is an entitled kid raised exclusively in the suburbs. 

Why do you think I'd expect or want Jalen to put his hands on him anyway? If he did that then he would be a lot more mentally weak.. and security would have hurt him pretty badly to boot.

What I expect Jalen to do was say, "Yes sir, you're right, that was completely unprofessional and I will never lay hands on my head coach again." Say it and mean it. Not say it then cry for a trade.

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Call it what you want but that 80 yr old man has done nothing of note to help improve this team.  He can go stay in assisted living for all i care and you can feed and clothes him.  I doubt if Jalen put his hands on the old man he would gain anything so he did what he thought was necessary.  You sound dumb thinking he punked anybody lol.  You must have been beat up by an elderly adult before and have some fear of abuse.

Now you've got me questioning not only your toughness but your intelligence.. at the very least your reading comprehension.

Tom Coughlin put a diva in his place and probably used language that is very common in coaching. Lots of F bombs. That kind of thing. An athlete is used to this from High School onward. The fact that this language from Tom caused Jalen to cry means he is weak. Mentally weak and probably isn't very tough physically either, I mean this is an entitled kid raised exclusively in the suburbs. 

Why do you think I'd expect or want Jalen to put his hands on him anyway? If he did that then he would be a lot more mentally weak.. and security would have hurt him pretty badly to boot.

What I expect Jalen to do was say, "Yes sir, you're right, that was completely unprofessional and I will never lay hands on my head coach again." Say it and mean it. Not say it then cry for a trade.

Him and Doug has already squashed it.  Stop reaching. Amd i did see marrone do that on the sideline. I guess coughlin needed to relive his sideline coaching life

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Yes, I read the rest.  I don’t think Tom is hiding like folks are saying on the board. Why should he give a post mortem on the situation?  It just lowers him to Ramsey’s level. The kid has proven himself a liar and a cheat. Why should we believe his self serving spin on what happened?

I agree that it would not be productive for TC to give a post mortem.  If he gave his straight opinion, which I assume he would, he would just get up there and slam Ramsey, and there's no good that can come out of that now.  The next thing you know, Ramsey would be in the media disputing TC's account of what happened, and then they'd have to go back and forth in the media, and that would be a mess.

This is where I'm torn. I agree with what you say, that very likely would have been the way the press would go with it. I do think though, even if it's an interview on the website, he could say something. But then I think it's just going to be Ramsey questions and go the first way anyway. I did feel sorry for Marrone having to field those questions and not having any answers. It looks from the outsude that it's a pretty chaotic FO setup which is very un-Coughlin

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I agree that it would not be productive for TC to give a post mortem.  If he gave his straight opinion, which I assume he would, he would just get up there and slam Ramsey, and there's no good that can come out of that now.  The next thing you know, Ramsey would be in the media disputing TC's account of what happened, and then they'd have to go back and forth in the media, and that would be a mess.

This is where I'm torn. I agree with what you say, that very likely would have been the way the press would go with it. I do think though, even if it's an interview on the website, he could say something. But then I think it's just going to be Ramsey questions and go the first way anyway. I did feel sorry for Marrone having to field those questions and not having any answers. It looks from the outsude that it's a pretty chaotic FO setup which is very un-Coughlin

What gives you the impression the FO is "chaotic?"

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