Or, upon further review and actually getting to know him, Pederson realizes that Baalke is a genuine talent and vital cog in the Jags' player personnel camp and forges a productive working arrangement.
Fans have a right to sensationalize about what they think is undeniable truth, but in most instances like this it doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

You're still here?

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Or, upon further review and actually getting to know him, Pederson realizes that Baalke is a genuine talent and vital cog in the Jags' player personnel camp and forges a productive working arrangement.
Fans have a right to sensationalize about what they think is undeniable truth, but in most instances like this it doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

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Baalkes history is enough for anyone to draw a conclusion that he is toxic. Sensationalizing about a sudden turn around in character is just fantasy. Only a matter of time before he screws this opportunity up.

Not his recent history to be sure. You're talking 7-8 years ago and the chief complainant was Harbaugh, who is no peach himself.
No, I think it's all overexaggeration. Now I stated earlier that I think the Jags would be well served to hire Smith as a franchise overseer. But from a talent evaluation standpoint, Pederson and Baalke can be a successful tandem.

You proved how clueless you were when you wanted to retain the interim staff from last season. All of your takes are laughable and no one takes them seriously.

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Or, upon further review and actually getting to know him, Pederson realizes that Baalke is a genuine talent and vital cog in the Jags' player personnel camp and forges a productive working arrangement.
Fans have a right to sensationalize about what they think is undeniable truth, but in most instances like this it doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

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Not his recent history to be sure. You're talking 7-8 years ago and the chief complainant was Harbaugh, who is no peach himself.
No, I think it's all overexaggeration. Now I stated earlier that I think the Jags would be well served to hire Smith as a franchise overseer. But from a talent evaluation standpoint, Pederson and Baalke can be a successful tandem.

You proved how clueless you were when you wanted to retain the interim staff from last season. All of your takes are laughable and no one takes them seriously.

My takes have just as much credence and legitimacy as yours. And you are correct in that I believe the staff that finished the season, with a few tweaks here and there, could have been quite successful -- but we'll never know, will we?

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Pederson probably wanted to work with Lawrence. Fixing him and this disaster of a franchise would give him a nice bullet point on his resume. He did it in Philadelphia. Can he do it in Jacksonville? We'll see. Doing it in spite of Baalke would just make it that much sweeter.

He was also used to working with a bunch of [BLEEP] by all accounts when he was with the Eagles.

I think Pederson wanted to the job here for every reason except Baalke, and he thought he could play his leverage like all the other candidates did to convince Shad to hire them and fire Baalke, he just underestimated how much leverage he had.

The Jags interviewed him first because he was the only candidate they could hire, but he had an extremely unimpressive interview by many accounts and the Jags thought they could play the Trevor/cap space/no taxes cards and get better candidates to accept the job even if they were forced to keep the most hated man in the sport at GM.

Both parties were very wrong and after 40 days of striking out repeatedly they were forced to tuck their tails and circle back to each other.

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You proved how clueless you were when you wanted to retain the interim staff from last season. All of your takes are laughable and no one takes them seriously.

My takes have just as much credence and legitimacy as yours. And you are correct in that I believe the staff that finished the season, with a few tweaks here and there, could have been quite successful -- but we'll never know, will we?

We do. Nothing would've changed. We would've been as bad as we were last season. That group of coaches sucked! Other than Cullen, they were terrible, especially the offensive coaches. You can't expect to do the same thing over and over and get better results. That's madness!

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Pederson probably wanted to work with Lawrence. Fixing him and this disaster of a franchise would give him a nice bullet point on his resume. He did it in Philadelphia. Can he do it in Jacksonville? We'll see. Doing it in spite of Baalke would just make it that much sweeter.

He was also used to working with a bunch of [BLEEP] by all accounts when he was with the Eagles.

I think Pederson wanted to the job here for every reason except Baalke, and he thought he could play his leverage like all the other candidates did to convince Shad to hire them and fire Baalke, he just underestimated how much leverage he had.

The Jags interviewed him first because he was the only candidate they could hire, but he had an extremely unimpressive interview by many accounts and the Jags thought they could play the Trevor/cap space/no taxes cards and get better candidates to accept the job even if they were forced to keep the most hated man in the sport at GM.

Both parties were very wrong and after 40 days of striking out repeatedly they were forced to tuck their tails and circle back to each other.

That is very astute of you. Good job.

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My takes have just as much credence and legitimacy as yours. And you are correct in that I believe the staff that finished the season, with a few tweaks here and there, could have been quite successful -- but we'll never know, will we?

We do. Nothing would've changed. We would've been as bad as we were last season. That group of coaches sucked! Other than Cullen, they were terrible, especially the offensive coaches. You can't expect to do the same thing over and over and get better results. That's madness!

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I think Pederson wanted to the job here for every reason except Baalke, and he thought he could play his leverage like all the other candidates did to convince Shad to hire them and fire Baalke, he just underestimated how much leverage he had.

The Jags interviewed him first because he was the only candidate they could hire, but he had an extremely unimpressive interview by many accounts and the Jags thought they could play the Trevor/cap space/no taxes cards and get better candidates to accept the job even if they were forced to keep the most hated man in the sport at GM.

Both parties were very wrong and after 40 days of striking out repeatedly they were forced to tuck their tails and circle back to each other.

That is very astute of you. Good job.

No, you most certainly do not know and continuing on that line of thinking even further diminishes your credibility. For all we know, that group of coaches may have been the one that clicked.

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We do. Nothing would've changed. We would've been as bad as we were last season. That group of coaches sucked! Other than Cullen, they were terrible, especially the offensive coaches. You can't expect to do the same thing over and over and get better results. That's madness!

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That is very astute of you. Good job.

No, you most certainly do not know and continuing on that line of thinking even further diminishes your credibility. For all we know, that group of coaches may have been the one that clicked.

If they didn't "click" during the time they had last season, they certainly weren't gonna click in the future. Keep it going with your terrible takes. It's hilarious.

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No, you most certainly do not know and continuing on that line of thinking even further diminishes your credibility. For all we know, that group of coaches may have been the one that clicked.

If they didn't "click" during the time they had last season, they certainly weren't gonna click in the future. Keep it going with your terrible takes. It's hilarious.

Foolish. Expecting to turn it around in 4 games is asinine. Even then, they bumped off their division foe in a big game that proved the worm was turning. Give them an offseason to implement their own system and it could've been fun. But we'll never know.

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If they didn't "click" during the time they had last season, they certainly weren't gonna click in the future. Keep it going with your terrible takes. It's hilarious.

Foolish. Expecting to turn it around in 4 games is asinine. Even then, they bumped off their division foe in a big game that proved the worm was turning. Give them an offseason to implement their own system and it could've been fun. But we'll never know.

Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!

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We do. Nothing would've changed. We would've been as bad as we were last season. That group of coaches sucked! Other than Cullen, they were terrible, especially the offensive coaches. You can't expect to do the same thing over and over and get better results. That's madness!

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That is very astute of you. Good job.

No, you most certainly do not know and continuing on that line of thinking even further diminishes your credibility. For all we know, that group of coaches may have been the one that clicked.

There's really only one person participating in this convo that has no credibility atm.  And it's not TheO.

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No, you most certainly do not know and continuing on that line of thinking even further diminishes your credibility. For all we know, that group of coaches may have been the one that clicked.

There's really only one person participating in this convo that has no credibility atm.  And it's not TheO.

Thank you.

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If they didn't "click" during the time they had last season, they certainly weren't gonna click in the future. Keep it going with your terrible takes. It's hilarious.

Foolish. Expecting to turn it around in 4 games is asinine. Even then, they bumped off their division foe in a big game that proved the worm was turning. Give them an offseason to implement their own system and it could've been fun. But we'll never know.

We are long term fans of this team. We never expect anything to turn around quickly. Lead by the front office, they fiddled and sputtered in all areas of acquiring talent. We were taking a wait and see approach.

Here is what you won't acknowledge or understand....

We know a thing or two about watching crap and our eyeballs showed us this was a historical franchise disaster. Board disagreements are in details but we are all well informed on what crappy dead end coaching looks like.

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Birth of the Franchise - November 30, 1993
Death of the Franchise - November 29, 2011

Fans deserve better. Thanks for all the good times too many are in the past.

Foolish. Expecting to turn it around in 4 games is asinine. Even then, they bumped off their division foe in a big game that proved the worm was turning. Give them an offseason to implement their own system and it could've been fun. But we'll never know.

We are long term fans of this team. We never expect anything to turn around quickly. Lead by the front office, they fiddled and sputtered in all areas of acquiring talent. We were taking a wait and see approach.

Here is what you won't acknowledge or understand....

We know a thing or two about watching crap and our eyeballs showed us this was a historical franchise disaster. Board disagreements are in details but we are all well informed on what crappy dead end coaching looks like.

Good thorough reply, but I'm not referring to when Meyer was in charge. Just saying that after he was jettisoned, you could start to see a groundswell of improvement. Hey, I love Pederson, but I also think the staff that finished the season also had a great chanceto turn things around.

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Shocker, Tony says Shad isn't taking the EVP search very seriously at the moment. Tony is ready to help out whenever Shad decides that it's time for him to act like cares about the multi billion dollar toy of his.

https://twitter.com/andrewbadillo99/stat...0243690498

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We are long term fans of this team. We never expect anything to turn around quickly. Lead by the front office, they fiddled and sputtered in all areas of acquiring talent. We were taking a wait and see approach.

Here is what you won't acknowledge or understand....

We know a thing or two about watching crap and our eyeballs showed us this was a historical franchise disaster. Board disagreements are in details but we are all well informed on what crappy dead end coaching looks like.

Good thorough reply, but I'm not referring to when Meyer was in charge. Just saying that after he was jettisoned, you could start to see a groundswell of improvement. Hey, I love Pederson, but I also think the staff that finished the season also had a great chanceto turn things around.

Groundswell?

Shutout by Tacks
crappy jets game tidy bowl
pats beat down

Oh yeah Indy Win ...  man they were coming on strong. If they just had 50 more games to play.

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Birth of the Franchise - November 30, 1993
Death of the Franchise - November 29, 2011

Fans deserve better. Thanks for all the good times too many are in the past.

Shocker, Tony says Shad isn't taking the EVP search very seriously at the moment. Tony is ready to help out whenever Shad decides that it's time for him to act like cares about the multi billion dollar toy of his.

https://twitter.com/andrewbadillo99/stat...0243690498

Was there ever any doubt? I swear, Baalke must have compromising photos of Shad Khan. It's the only thing that makes sense.

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Shocker, Tony says Shad isn't taking the EVP search very seriously at the moment. Tony is ready to help out whenever Shad decides that it's time for him to act like cares about the multi billion dollar toy of his.

https://twitter.com/andrewbadillo99/stat...0243690498

Was there ever any doubt? I swear, Baalke must have compromising photos of Shad Khan. It's the only thing that makes sense.

He never was. He was just paying the fanbase and the media lip service about the EVP position being a possibility when they introduced Pederson's hiring. That was just the "business savvy" in him trying to figure out a way to pivot the frustrations regarding Baalke still being in the front office. 

I genuinely believe he's not going to get the EVP position filled until after free agency and the draft. He's also hoping Pederson can produce immediate results with Lawrence and that they'll at least start winning games and looking more competitive, even in losing efforts. He'll somehow be able to give additional credit to Baalke if the roster plays better or pans out. Thus, justifying his intellect and decision making. 

Winning cures all. I'll give him that. However, if it doesn't work out this time? He'll have his hand forced for sure. There's already enough public pressure on him as it stands with this Baalke situation. This team can ill afford to finish with another top three to five draft pick in 2023. It will be embarrassing. The fans will double down this time and the public opinion nationally will shift towards dramatically crucifying him. 

Maybe he'll get the last laugh later on in December of this year. Those who clowned him will now have become the clowns. Good on him.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Shocker, Tony says Shad isn't taking the EVP search very seriously at the moment. Tony is ready to help out whenever Shad decides that it's time for him to act like cares about the multi billion dollar toy of his.

https://twitter.com/andrewbadillo99/stat...0243690498

The clear implication from that is that the EVP search has not really started yet.  That undermines everything I've said about it.  I thought it was happening, but no one could see it because it was behind the scenes.  That quote tells me, we aren't seeing it because it doesn't exist.  Wow.  What in the world, if anything, is going on in the head of Shad Khan?

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Shocker, Tony says Shad isn't taking the EVP search very seriously at the moment. Tony is ready to help out whenever Shad decides that it's time for him to act like cares about the multi billion dollar toy of his.

https://twitter.com/andrewbadillo99/stat...0243690498

Was there ever any doubt? I swear, Baalke must have compromising photos of Shad Khan. It's the only thing that makes sense.

It's not Baalke in this case.  It's Shad Khan.  He doesn't seem to want to put in the work to get this team going.  If that's not true, he needs a much better PR staff, because this kind of stuff is what people see.

Edit: Of course, it's possible Tony Khan just used a poor choice of words.  Maybe he meant "As he gets deeper into the process..." Maybe Khan and his people are doing the preliminary legwork and Tony will get involved with the finalists.  That's the only good way I can spin what Tony said.

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It's Shad Khan.  He doesn't seem to want to put in the work to get this team going. 

I believe Shad thought he was simply going to come in and buy a team, splash a few million around, immediately put all the right people in place, and instantly start winning while he basically put it on autopilot. Once he learned that the NFL is an extremely difficult and competitive industry he has shriveled as a human being.

Just juxtapose the Shad that held up that game ticket in his first press conference and confidently said he was going to make a Jaguars ticket the hottest ticket in the league to the Shad that was fumbling through every question as if he had never been questioned in his life during Pedersons press conference.

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