So....this probably isn't happening, right?  Seems like Khan may have been using it to dodge a question.

I think, after the debacles with Coughlin and Meyer, Khan has become very careful about who he hires.  Some might call it slow.  Some might call it careful and deliberate.  

I'm pretty sure he's going to hire an EVP.  When is anyone's guess.

Personally, I think he's buying time for Baalke. He doesn't want to have to handcuff Baalke for some insane reason, so he's gonna drag this process out in order to give Baalke one year to have total control. I believe Khan will either hire an EVP after the draft and much of free agency or he will do it so close to the draft that the new EVP will have no time to prepare, so this will be a Baalke controlled draft. I bet this is some "backdoor deal" he made with Baalke.

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I think, after the debacles with Coughlin and Meyer, Khan has become very careful about who he hires.  Some might call it slow.  Some might call it careful and deliberate.  

I'm pretty sure he's going to hire an EVP.  When is anyone's guess.

Personally, I think he's buying time for Baalke. He doesn't want to have to handcuff Baalke for some insane reason, so he's gonna drag this process out in order to give Baalke one year to have total control. I believe Khan will either hire an EVP after the draft and much of free agency or he will do it so close to the draft that the new EVP will have no time to prepare, so this will be a Baalke controlled draft. I bet this is some "backdoor deal" he made with Baalke.

iMO it’s another Baalke power move to keep control of the roster for as long as he can.  The longer this process takes, the less time the new EVP and AGM will have to “collaborate” with personnel decisions.

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Personally, I think he's buying time for Baalke. He doesn't want to have to handcuff Baalke for some insane reason, so he's gonna drag this process out in order to give Baalke one year to have total control. I believe Khan will either hire an EVP after the draft and much of free agency or he will do it so close to the draft that the new EVP will have no time to prepare, so this will be a Baalke controlled draft. I bet this is some "backdoor deal" he made with Baalke.

iMO it’s another Baalke power move to keep control of the roster for as long as he can.  The longer this process takes, the less time the new EVP and AGM will have to “collaborate” with personnel decisions.

Agreed.

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iMO it’s another Baalke power move to keep control of the roster for as long as he can.  The longer this process takes, the less time the new EVP and AGM will have to “collaborate” with personnel decisions.

Agreed.

Some people, regardless of how we interpret their personality, seem to get along with certain people. Khan and Baalke seem to have that.

It's strange. It sucks.. it makes you question a lot... but it's the reality.

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Agreed.

Some people, regardless of how we interpret their personality, seem to get along with certain people. Khan and Baalke seem to have that.

It's strange. It sucks.. it makes you question a lot... but it's the reality.

That is just depressingly spot on in this case.

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Rick Smith was fairly well liked on the Texans team, however his reputation is that he's great with the 1st rounder but struggled to find meaningful talent from the 2nd round and beyond.  The only exception was when Gray Kubiak was first hired, but the truth is that the draft was almost solely run by Kubiak himself, and it was pretty by far the best draft the Texans have had:

1 Mario Williams 1
2 DeMeco Ryans 33

3 Charles Spencer 65

3 Eric Winston 66

4 Owen Daniels 98

6 Wali Lundy 170
7 David Anderson 251

Ballsy to take Mario at #1 over Vince Young and Reggie Williams, but turned out to be the best pick.  DeMeco was a probowler. Picked up both tackles in the top of the third...Charles Spencer looked like a first rounder until Ron Dayne destroyed his knee and Winston was a long term RT.  Owen Daniels was a fantastic find in the 4th. Wali Lundy never did anything, but even David Anderson contributed.

However if you look at his other drafts you won't see many meaningful players from the 2nd round and later.

I think the best thing for the Jags is that Rick is perfectly comfortable fitting into his role as a GM, doesn't seem to have that power-hungry, step-on-those-around-you to protect your [BLEEP] vibe.

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Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

iMO it’s another Baalke power move to keep control of the roster for as long as he can.  The longer this process takes, the less time the new EVP and AGM will have to “collaborate” with personnel decisions.

Agreed.

While this is not the preferred situation, I can't see our HC coming here if Baalke has total control over the roster.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

Agreed.

While this is not the preferred situation, I can't see our HC coming here if Baalke has total control over the roster.

Peterson said himself that he enjoys the process of working in unison with Baalke and that didn't seem to come across as lop service. I'm sure the two have struck a collaborative chord and that should bode well for the Jags.

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While this is not the preferred situation, I can't see our HC coming here if Baalke has total control over the roster.

Peterson said himself that he enjoys the process of working in unison with Baalke and that didn't seem to come across as lop service. I'm sure the two have struck a collaborative chord and that should bode sell for the Jags.

Yea, I heard that too. My hope is Baalkie learned from his San Fran time like the people in Vegas hope McDaniels did.

but then hope is not a plan we will see.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

What do expect Peterson to say? Of course he’s going to say he looks forward to working with Baalke. I’m not going to get my hopes up for a “collaboration”

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I think, after the debacles with Coughlin and Meyer, Khan has become very careful about who he hires.  Some might call it slow.  Some might call it careful and deliberate.  

I'm pretty sure he's going to hire an EVP.  When is anyone's guess.

Ok, well his careful and deliberate process has basically cratered any ability to neuter Baalke this offseason. The combine is next week. The tag deadline is less than two weeks. Free agency starts in less than a month. And the most hated man in football is still firmly entranched at the top of the pyramid. But you know, just the #1 overall pick and loads of cap space on the line. No rush.

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What do expect Peterson to say? Of course he’s going to say he looks forward to working with Baalke. I’m not going to get my hopes up for a “collaboration”

I think the puzzle pieces have been put in place. Pederson didn't impress the Jags in his first interview (commonly reported) and Pederson didn't want to work with Baalke so they were fine moving on from each other.

Then Pederson severely underestimated how much other HC interest he would have league wide, and Shad severely underestimated just how much Baalke was going to make the Jags opening toxic.

After every other candidate who had options, Hackett/Eberflus taking other jobs and Byron/Moore/Quinn staying in their cushy coordinator jobs, the Jags and Pederson crawled back to each other. Now they're trying to save face and pretend to be all kumbaya with each other, and I am not buying it.

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What do expect Peterson to say? Of course he’s going to say he looks forward to working with Baalke. I’m not going to get my hopes up for a “collaboration”

I think the puzzle pieces have been put in place. Pederson didn't impress the Jags in his first interview (commonly reported) and Pederson didn't want to work with Baalke so they were fine moving on from each other.

Then Pederson severely underestimated how much other HC interest he would have league wide, and Shad severely underestimated just how much Baalke was going to make the Jags opening toxic.

After every other candidate who had options, Hackett/Eberflus taking other jobs and Byron/Moore/Quinn staying in their cushy coordinator jobs, the Jags and Pederson crawled back to each other. Now they're trying to save face and pretend to be all kumbaya with each other, and I am not buying it.

I wish we could get this guy to tell that story...

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Or, upon further review and actually getting to know him, Pederson realizes that Baalke is a genuine talent and vital cog in the Jags' player personnel camp and forges a productive working arrangement.
Fans have a right to sensationalize about what they think is undeniable truth, but in most instances like this it doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

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Pederson probably wanted to work with Lawrence. Fixing him and this disaster of a franchise would give him a nice bullet point on his resume. He did it in Philadelphia. Can he do it in Jacksonville? We'll see. Doing it in spite of Baalke would just make it that much sweeter.

He was also used to working with a bunch of [BLEEP] by all accounts when he was with the Eagles.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Or, upon further review and actually getting to know him, Pederson realizes that Baalke is a genuine talent and vital cog in the Jags' player personnel camp and forges a productive working arrangement.
Fans have a right to sensationalize about what they think is undeniable truth, but in most instances like this it doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

Baalkes history is enough for anyone to draw a conclusion that he is toxic. Sensationalizing about a sudden turn around in character is just fantasy. Only a matter of time before he screws this opportunity up.

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Or, upon further review and actually getting to know him, Pederson realizes that Baalke is a genuine talent and vital cog in the Jags' player personnel camp and forges a productive working arrangement.
Fans have a right to sensationalize about what they think is undeniable truth, but in most instances like this it doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

Baalkes history is enough for anyone to draw a conclusion that he is toxic. Sensationalizing about a sudden turn around in character is just fantasy. Only a matter of time before he screws this opportunity up.

Not his recent history to be sure. You're talking 7-8 years ago and the chief complainant was Harbaugh, who is no peach himself.
No, I think it's all overexaggeration. Now I stated earlier that I think the Jags would be well served to hire Smith as a franchise overseer. But from a talent evaluation standpoint, Pederson and Baalke can be a successful tandem.

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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/3324...ngals-land

“From 2012 to 2018 only 8 out 52 draft picks signed a second contract.” Is it because he drafts poorly or not willing to resign players? Or both?

“Khan wants more football knowledge in the building to beef up personnel decisions.” If Baalke was doing enough, would we need an EVP and AGM?

He’s the current GM could that explain why the team is ranked last in this power ranking.
Past hx + current hx = last place….I hang my hopes on a successful season on Pederson/Lawrence and that they can be the next Stafford/McVay pairing

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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/3324...ngals-land

“From 2012 to 2018 only 8 out 52 draft picks signed a second contract.” Is it because he drafts poorly or not willing to resign players? Or both?

“Khan wants more football knowledge in the building to beef up personnel decisions.”  If Baalke was doing enough, would we need an EVP and AGM?

He’s the current GM could that explain why the team is ranked last in this power ranking.
Past hx + current hx = last place….I hang my hopes on a successful season on Pederson/Lawrence and that they can be the next Stafford/McVay pairing

He's only held the role of GM for 15 months. Pretty hard to change things around in that short amount of time.
And having another voice in the assessment process isn't a bad thing.

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What do expect Peterson to say? Of course he’s going to say he looks forward to working with Baalke. I’m not going to get my hopes up for a “collaboration”

I think the puzzle pieces have been put in place. Pederson didn't impress the Jags in his first interview (commonly reported) and Pederson didn't want to work with Baalke so they were fine moving on from each other.

Then Pederson severely underestimated how much other HC interest he would have league wide, and Shad severely underestimated just how much Baalke was going to make the Jags opening toxic.

After every other candidate who had options, Hackett/Eberflus taking other jobs and Byron/Moore/Quinn staying in their cushy coordinator jobs, the Jags and Pederson crawled back to each other. Now they're trying to save face and pretend to be all kumbaya with each other, and I am not buying it.

Exactly!

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