GMs and head coaches have behind the scenes spats all the time. Usually that stuff comes out when one of the two gets fired. Publicly they need to get along and agree on everything, but the fact of the matter is that Caldwell is Bradley's boss, plain and simple. You aren't always going to agree with your boss, but you're going to do what he/she says.

thats was my logic as well... the whole "bradley was the only one who hired him" i dont completely buy, but i dont subcribe to the theory he was hired as a contingency, as much anymore... dave and gus both have something to do with the hiring process, if they didnt i would feel something is wrong... but if gus was the guy who brought him to the table, it would be stupid if he felt as though Doug could take his job.. so i dont think he was looked at or pursued as a contingency initially... but who's to say dave didnt jump on board with this thought in the back of his mind.

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thats was my logic as well... the whole "bradley was the only one who hired him" i dont completely buy, but i dont subcribe to the theory he was hired as a contingency, as much anymore... dave and gus both have something to do with the hiring process, if they didnt i would feel something is wrong... but if gus was the guy who brought him to the table, it would be stupid if he felt as though Doug could take his job.. so i dont think he was looked at or pursued as a contingency initially... but who's to say dave didnt jump on board with this thought in the back of his mind.

 

The thing is, Gus would probably make the hire anyway because he knows he needs good coaches around him. Gus's future isn't tied at all to Marrone, I think that's the misunderstanding a lot of people have. Gus needs to win a decent number of games this year. Doug Marrone has nothing to do with that. Having Marrone on staff puts no more pressure on Gus than there already is. Marrone "hypothetically" being a contingency just means that you have him there if the situation becomes shockingly bad this year.

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I'm not suggesting that Marrone was hired with the intention of him replacing Gus this year.... I'm sure Caldwell would like nothing more than to retain Gus. But that's on Gus to get the necessary improvement. The contingency only comes into play if that improvement isn't seen.

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I'm not suggesting that Marrone was hired with the intention of him replacing Gus this year.... I'm sure Caldwell would like nothing more than to retain Gus. But that's on Gus to get the necessary improvement. The contingency only comes into play if that improvement isn't seen.

 

You might want to work on wording that hypothetical more clearly then because that's pretty much what you implied. At the end of the day, Marrone was hired, by Gus, to coach the offensive line and to work with the offensive unit in general to get improvement on that side of the ball.  Nothing more.

 

Honest question, and I'm just curious where everyone would stand on this:

 

For the sake of argument, let's assume Marrone was hired as a contingency plan. Do you think that's a good move by Caldwell?

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

The thing is, Gus would probably make the hire anyway because he knows he needs good coaches around him. Gus's future isn't tied at all to Marrone, I think that's the misunderstanding a lot of people have. Gus needs to win a decent number of games this year. Doug Marrone has nothing to do with that. Having Marrone on staff puts no more pressure on Gus than there already is. Marrone "hypothetically" being a contingency just means that you have him there if the situation becomes shockingly bad this year.

 

So in other words, Jimmy Johnson or Brian Billick could 'hypothetically' be contingency plans as well.

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You might want to work on wording that hypothetical more clearly then because that's pretty much what you implied. At the end of the day, Marrone was hired, by Gus, to coach the offensive line and to work with the offensive unit in general to get improvement on that side of the ball.  Nothing more.

 

A contingency means worst case scenario/ backup plan. I never implied that Caldwell was actively trying to replace gus. If that was the case, he would have just fired him in the offseason. Rather, it's more of a plan B, or "contingency".

 

And, again, Caldwell most certainly had input with the hire. He's Gus's superior.

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So in other words, Jimmy Johnson or Brian Billick could 'hypothetically' be contingency plans as well.

 

I don't follow.

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So in other words, Jimmy Johnson or Brian Billick could 'hypothetically' be contingency plans as well.

ok all "hypothetical" and hyperbole aside... that would be awesome.

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I don't follow.

 

We're even, I don't follow your logic either.

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A contingency means worst case scenario/ backup plan. I never implied that Caldwell was actively trying to replace gus. If that was the case, he would have just fired him in the offseason. Rather, it's more of a plan B, or "contingency".

 

And, again, Caldwell most certainly had input with the hire. He's Gus's superior.

 

You do understand the difference between input and actually doing the hiring, right?

 

I hire and fire people in my position.  I'll consult my boss when necessary on a potential hire, but at the end of the day, it's my division and my people.  I'm the one doing the hiring, and I'm held accountable for those decisions.  The same situation exists inside Everbank Field.  Gus may consult Dave on hires, but Dave isn't hiring the coaching staff beyond the head coach himself.  Very few (maybe Dallas, Oakland, or SF) head coaches would work in an environment where he's being told who they will have on their staff. The head coach may run a hire by the GM, but in most instances, they work autonomously.  The GM provides the talent and the coach develops the players with a staff he assembled.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

translation ; im a foreman . I make a dollar more an hour and will sell you out in a heartbeat

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My guess is Gus was feeling a bit overwhelmed keeping tabs on everything. He's a defensive guy, not an offensive guy. Marrone may have been more of a quality control hire for the offense than just o-line. The reason I kinda buy into the asst head coach label is that when interviewed, I'm pretty sure Marrone said there could be circumstances where he gives Gus advice with in-game decisions, since he's got some experience with them himself.

 

I'm pretty sure Gus was asked if he would listen to said advice.... Can't remember what his response was though.

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There's much speculation being stated as fact in this thread.

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That's why it's called a hypothetical, bud

Okay. In that case, no. It was a bad idea - by not hiring David Hasselhoff as the OL coach as the Illuminati instructed him, he set the team on the path to destruction. Next year's meteorite strike on Everbank will be just the first sign of that. And when it emerges that Blake Bortles is actually an alien lizard sent to prepare the way for the invasion of Earth, the true extent of Caldwell's foolishness will become clear.


You know, since we're talking hypothetical situations that are not and could not be true.

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This board and the summer time.....

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This board and the (any) time.....

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If it's clear that Gus isn't getting the job done, I think he'll be fired.  I think 6 wins makes his job safe.  Maybe 5 if we keep a lot of games close (within a field goal) and don't have more than 1 blowout (loss by more than 21 points).  Of course this is assuming no major injuries.


Next year expectations will be higher for Gus if he makes it.  


8 Ball Says: Answer Unclear.  Ask Mid-season.

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

The guy has literally been coaching a team of scrubs. Only when he has talent can you evaluate his job. That said, I think this is the first season you can judge him and I don't think his job is on the line this year. I think regardless of coaching, they'll win 6-8 games and next season you make your decision. If Bortles isn't the guy, that's hardly Bradley's fault. At this point, I think Caldwell is to blame for the situation. Bradley has done a nice job of getting the most out of a lot of guys.

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We will know this year if he can get the job done.  

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