I still "hate" this guy, and sure, this loss wasn't his fault only but still, I don't like him as DC.

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Caldwell's starting to raise more eyebrows for me after today.

You have now been schooled by Browning and Flacco in back to back weeks and I am seeing the same offensive schemes, screens, misdirection and quick passes kill this defense.

The blown assignments are rough. I know we're depleted on the backend but you have to coach them up if that's the case.

Started in the 49ers game. He's yet to find an answer for it and you can bet your bottom dollar it's going to keep coming up until it's stopped.

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Caldwell's starting to raise more eyebrows for me after today.

You have now been schooled by Browning and Flacco in back to back weeks and I am seeing the same offensive schemes, screens, misdirection and quick passes kill this defense.

Started in the 49ers game. He's yet to find an answer for it and you can bet your bottom dollar it's going to keep coming up until it's stopped.

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One thing that I am seeing is that he is trusting the players with 1 on 1's on blitz, and is bitting him in the [BLEEP], think about it: Against the 49ers Olokuon lost his 1 on 1 with Kittle, last week Campbell was the [BLEEP], this week Williams slips on 4th down

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I’ve always been a players not plays person.

With starters out today, the defense just didn’t have the horses.

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One thing I've noticed the last few games is teams are finding gaps in the zone pretty easily at the moment and they are going for big chunk plays. I couldn't tell you the % of zone to man coverages we call but we are a very heavy zone team.

I just wonder if a bit more man may make the QB hold it a bit longer waiting for someone to get open and that could help the Dline get home and hopefully make catches a bit more contested.

Don't think that's our main problem but definitely feels a part of it.

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The defense seemed to settle down as the game went on, as well as turnovers, which is a positive. This game was more 50/50 with the wide open Browns TDs early, and 2 bad picks from Trevor. The miscommunication for the wide open guys should not happen as often though.

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I don't care who the DC is with the garbage we have at IDL and two backup safeties we where toast. We just have not drafted well in the secondary and on both lines.

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One thing I've noticed the last few games is teams are finding gaps in the zone pretty easily at the moment and they are going for big chunk plays. I couldn't tell you the % of zone to man coverages we call but we are a very heavy zone team.

I just wonder if a bit more man may make the QB hold it a bit longer waiting for someone to get open and that could help the Dline get home and hopefully make catches a bit more contested.

Don't think that's our main problem but definitely feels a part of it.

2nd highest zone team I believe, Colts being the highest.

Zone keeps you from being beat for TDs generally. Man gets you beat for TDs.

The Jags were trying to blitz Flacco while playing zone underneath with the LBs. That led to wide open TEs and RBs because the LBs bad. They either needed to play man or just sit back and cover. Flacco wasn't beating coverage, he was beating mistakes and bad play designs against an experienced QB.

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Yeah we've looked pretty rough defensively for a good 8 quarters now. I get there are injuries but still. The offense is riddled with injuries and we still scored 27 on the #1 defense. No excuses to be this poor right now, especially considering the QBs we've faced

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

Yeah we've looked pretty rough defensively for a good 8 quarters now. I get there are injuries but still. The offense is riddled with injuries and we still scored 27 on the #1 defense. No excuses to be this poor right now, especially considering the QBs we've faced

Joe Flacco has a superb owl and the Bengals just hung 30 on someone else.  

I think the d deserves a lot of blame.  But ultimately, the unit isn't that great.  No interior disruption, Lloyd can get lost in coverage etc.  

The defense got settled when u had williams and Campbell outside with Herndon on the inside.  

Now we have monetarily brown and at the end ofvthe game Antonio Johnson.  Thar limits the playback.  It's not a fun reality...  but it is reality.

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Yeah we've looked pretty rough defensively for a good 8 quarters now. I get there are injuries but still. The offense is riddled with injuries and we still scored 27 on the #1 defense. No excuses to be this poor right now, especially considering the QBs we've faced

Let's not overrate the offensive performance yesterday.  Our first two scoring drives started on the Cleveland 12 and 25 yard lines due to turnovers.  Our defense contributed heavily to those scores by giving us starting field position in scoring position.  There are issues on both sides of the ball.  Need to get healthy and hot here as we close out the season.  Things can look bleak for otherwise good teams at times during a long 17 game regular season.  This is that time for us.  However, young guys are getting more experience they wouldn't have otherwise which may help us in the post season and beyond.  All is not lost.

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Yeah we've looked pretty rough defensively for a good 8 quarters now. I get there are injuries but still. The offense is riddled with injuries and we still scored 27 on the #1 defense. No excuses to be this poor right now, especially considering the QBs we've faced

Let's not overrate the offensive performance yesterday.  Our first two scoring drives started on the Cleveland 12 and 25 yard lines due to turnovers.  Our defense contributed heavily to those scores by giving us starting field position in scoring position.  There are issues on both sides of the ball.  Need to get healthy and hot here as we close out the season.  Things can look bleak for otherwise good teams at times during a long 17 game regular season.  This is that time for us.  However, young guys are getting more experience they wouldn't have otherwise which may help us in the post season and beyond.  All is not lost.

Very true. Niners lost to PJ walker and Vikes without Jefferson. Their season, and defense, looked pretty rough during that 3 game stretch. It's about how you respond. The brief history of Pederson here is we respond pretty well, let's see how this plays out. I'm still confident we'll make some post season noise.

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

One thing I've noticed the last few games is teams are finding gaps in the zone pretty easily at the moment and they are going for big chunk plays. I couldn't tell you the % of zone to man coverages we call but we are a very heavy zone team.

I just wonder if a bit more man may make the QB hold it a bit longer waiting for someone to get open and that could help the Dline get home and hopefully make catches a bit more contested.

Don't think that's our main problem but definitely feels a part of it.

Asking our secondary to play more man coverage is akin to asking our OL to turn into a road-grading power run unit. 

You could try it, but it won't end well.

We just don't have the personnel. 
Caldwell began his tenure in Jax running lots more man coverage than we do now. It didn't work. It was after the bye week last season that the shift to mostly zone found its footing and we haven't looked back. 

You'll see the outside corners playing press or off man a fair amount with the others in zone a fair amount, but they won't flat out man up across the board very often because our nickels and safeties get roasted.

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One thing I've noticed the last few games is teams are finding gaps in the zone pretty easily at the moment and they are going for big chunk plays. I couldn't tell you the % of zone to man coverages we call but we are a very heavy zone team.

I just wonder if a bit more man may make the QB hold it a bit longer waiting for someone to get open and that could help the Dline get home and hopefully make catches a bit more contested.

Don't think that's our main problem but definitely feels a part of it.

Asking our secondary to play more man coverage is akin to asking our OL to turn into a road-grading power run unit. 

You could try it, but it won't end well.

We just don't have the personnel. 
Caldwell began his tenure in Jax running lots more man coverage than we do now. It didn't work. It was after the bye week last season that the shift to mostly zone found its footing and we haven't looked back. 

You'll see the outside corners playing press or off man a fair amount with the others in zone a fair amount, but they won't flat out man up across the board very often because our nickels and safeties get roasted.

Correct, the Jaguars have great coaching, Caldwell, too, the problems we're having are talent related.

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Asking our secondary to play more man coverage is akin to asking our OL to turn into a road-grading power run unit. 

You could try it, but it won't end well.

We just don't have the personnel. 
Caldwell began his tenure in Jax running lots more man coverage than we do now. It didn't work. It was after the bye week last season that the shift to mostly zone found its footing and we haven't looked back. 

You'll see the outside corners playing press or off man a fair amount with the others in zone a fair amount, but they won't flat out man up across the board very often because our nickels and safeties get roasted.

Correct, the Jaguars have great coaching, Caldwell, too, the problems we're having are talent related.

Not sure I completely agree with the portions above in bold. We certainly don't have bad coaching, but, I wouldn't consider it great neither. I could argue that the talent issue is misleading to some degree and that in fact, it has been coaching, especially with Caldwell. 

If you look at the three biggest games this defense has let up in all year? It came against three really good, high quality offensive play callers that also just so happen to headcoach their respective teams. Shanahan with the 49ers, Taylor with the Bengals and Stefanski with the Browns. 

Caldwell was outcoached in those three outings. You're saying it's a talent issue, when, this same group was #1 or high up there against the run and leading the NFL in takeaways at one point. In my opinion, sure, you can point to a few things that are obvious where the defense appears to be void of talent. 

Interior defensive line as a unit? It [BLEEP] sucks.
The secondary at times? It can be suspect. 

A lot of that though above? It's maybe injury related as well but we've seen guys like Wingard and Johnson jump right on in from being on the bench or doing special team's work and make key plays to get the football back. It's a soup of a lot of things. But, in the three biggest defensive showings that were the most piss poor?

Caldwell was schooled by some of the best offensive minds in football in just his 2nd year as an actual coordinator. He's far from great.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Correct, the Jaguars have great coaching, Caldwell, too, the problems we're having are talent related.

Not sure I completely agree with the portions above in bold. We certainly don't have bad coaching, but, I wouldn't consider it great neither. I could argue that the talent issue is misleading to some degree and that in fact, it has been coaching, especially with Caldwell. 

If you look at the three biggest games this defense has let up in all year? It came against three really good, high quality offensive play callers that also just so happen to headcoach their respective teams. Shanahan with the 49ers, Taylor with the Bengals and Stefanski with the Browns. 

Caldwell was outcoached in those three outings. You're saying it's a talent issue, when, this same group was #1 or high up there against the run and leading the NFL in takeaways at one point. In my opinion, sure, you can point to a few things that are obvious where the defense appears to be void of talent. 

Interior defensive line as a unit? It [BLEEP] sucks.
The secondary at times? It can be suspect. 

A lot of that though above? It's maybe injury related as well but we've seen guys like Wingard and Johnson jump right on in from being on the bench or doing special team's work and make key plays to get the football back. It's a soup of a lot of things. But, in the three biggest defensive showings that were the most piss poor?

Caldwell was schooled by some of the best offensive minds in football in just his 2nd year as an actual coordinator. He's far from great.

We can agree to disagree.

When I look at the defense I see a lot of guys that don't stand out athletically or tackle well except for Josh Allen. And when teams decide to score they're pretty much able to do so.

The defense looks to me like a group that succeeds based on preparation and planning, not on physical superiority. They can barely tackle or cover, and as the injuries mount it's getting worse.

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Caldwell's zone coverages have given his defense a large element of "bend but don't break" that wasn't his original intent.
Personnel deficiency forced him here.
Therefore teams move the ball up and down the field fairly readily but things get tighter in the red zone.

So, until they acquire players that can play man coverage more effectively they will have some issues with better offenses and coordinators that score from long range, beat our red zone coverage, or find explosive plays by getting players out of position.

We did well up until the niners game limiting explosive plays, but there is plenty of tape out there now revealing our secondaries tendencies to react in suspect ways to various formations and routes. Other teams are following suit by capitalizing on those negative tendencies I suspect.

It's Caldwell's turn to analyze tape of those exploitations and coach his guys up on it.

Well see how that goes Sunday and beyond.

He assuredly does not have the personnel required stop the top contenders. We all hoped in the offseason this defense could just go from "bad but sometimes scrappy good" to "middle of the pack" - Instead we saw them play out of their minds in terms of opportunistic turnovers before sinking into a slump of blown coverages and deteriorating run defense.

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Caldwell's starting to raise more eyebrows for me after today.

You have now been schooled by Browning and Flacco in back to back weeks and I am seeing the same offensive schemes, screens, misdirection and quick passes kill this defense.

The blown assignments are rough. I know we're depleted on the backend but you have to coach them up if that's the case.

Started in the 49ers game. He's yet to find an answer for it and you can bet your bottom dollar it's going to keep coming up until it's stopped.

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Why yes. That’s the nfl we know. Once one team figures something out, the following teams will copy it until you fix it.

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One thing I've noticed the last few games is teams are finding gaps in the zone pretty easily at the moment and they are going for big chunk plays. I couldn't tell you the % of zone to man coverages we call but we are a very heavy zone team.

I just wonder if a bit more man may make the QB hold it a bit longer waiting for someone to get open and that could help the Dline get home and hopefully make catches a bit more contested.

Don't think that's our main problem but definitely feels a part of it.

Asking our secondary to play more man coverage is akin to asking our OL to turn into a road-grading power run unit. 

You could try it, but it won't end well.

We just don't have the personnel. 
Caldwell began his tenure in Jax running lots more man coverage than we do now. It didn't work. It was after the bye week last season that the shift to mostly zone found its footing and we haven't looked back. 

You'll see the outside corners playing press or off man a fair amount with the others in zone a fair amount, but they won't flat out man up across the board very often because our nickels and safeties get roasted.

You make some great points and I definitely agree that Caldwell is playing system to what talent he has available. I wouldn't add a lot more man coverage it's just teams seem to have been able to watch a lot of film on our D by now and are finding ways to get very open in the zone coverage. There is definitely an element of players making the right plays and doing their job and if they don't then guys are wide open, that's not down to the playcall or scheme, just wondering if throwing in a man coverage a bit more makes it a little harder for opposing OC's to predict what we'll do.

But until we add some more quality and depth to the D it does feel Caldwell is limited and trying to be a bend don't break D with damage limitations.

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Well, browning is turning out to be legit. The loss feels less bad.

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