I know I became a Marrone fan when he was still in Buffalo.  But I recall several videos of post game locker room talks and press conferences where I came away even more impressed with him.  I remember stating that in comparison to Bradley, he sounded like a grown up.

I sure hope this translates into wins.  These three win seasons are highly overrated.

He's a perfect guy to match with Coughlin.  Old school coaching approach.  I was moderately underwhelmed by the hire initially, but knew he was a good coach.  Since the hire, I've been impressed with the things he has been saying and doing.  He and Tom are definitely on the same page.  If this new mindset results in a winning way in Jacksonville, he'll quickly become a very popular guy in these parts.  

You can tell from his comments since taking over as the head coach that he's an accountability and details kind of guy.  If the players aren't meeting his expectations, or they screw up, they're going to hear about it from him, and probably again from Coughlin.  That should take care of the accountability issues this team saw previously.

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I know I became a Marrone fan when he was still in Buffalo.  But I recall several videos of post game locker room talks and press conferences where I came away even more impressed with him.  I remember stating that in comparison to Bradley, he sounded like a grown up.

I sure hope this translates into wins.  These three win seasons are highly overrated.

He's a perfect guy to match with Coughlin.  Old school coaching approach.  I was moderately underwhelmed by the hire initially, but knew he was a good coach.  Since the hire, I've been impressed with the things he has been saying and doing.  He and Tom are definitely on the same page.  If this new mindset results in a winning way in Jacksonville, he'll quickly become a very popular guy in these parts.  

You can tell from his comments since taking over as the head coach that he's an accountability and details kind of guy.  If the players aren't meeting his expectations, or they screw up, they're going to hear about it from him, and probably again from Coughlin.  That should take care of the accountability issues this team saw previously.

I would agree that it's very obvious that Marrone and Coughlin match up well. Marrone is the guy that, with the right people above him can be successful and will hopefully be the detailed and accountable leader the team needs.

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...I hope he realizes his job has already started. V

I'll try to find the presser in which he directly explains his position on your concerns here. But here's the crux of it:

The "I don't know stuff" he clearly explained as not being willing to prematurely evaluate players or position groups before pads come on. This is more of a message to his players than it is to you or me. They have to earn it every day of the offseason. 

Considering the comments from vets like Campbell, Jackson and Telvin, the players are not coming away from these OTAs feeling like "this isn't practice."  Marrone is just driving home a point to reporters who keep asking questions about position group depth charts and starters etc. that real evaluation of their abilities begins in earnest when the pads come on. Right now he's getting them in football shape and acclimating them to the system. He's also expressing his displeasure with the limitations of the current CBA regarding padded contact work. 

It almost feels like you're looking for something to hate on here.

What you have to understand is that an interview is an interview. In many ways when Doug Talks about OTA's he is saying mostly the same things Gus did. "It's all about challenging players and getting better every day" and all these coachisms about discipline are recycled and it's kind of just the way it is. Gus was very good at saying very little and telling you everything was exciting and I honestly don't have an issue with a positive spin. It's very PR, let me say something without having to really talk.

What it comes down to is actual coaching, preparation for games and training sessions, etc. The problem with Gus was that he knew what to say and it would have been fine, but he really was clueless, if he knew what he was doing, his style would have worked out fine. My issue is that when I see Marrone Coach, he seems disinterested, lacks instruction and those things add up for me because I don't like how he coaches football from the little bites of his actual coaching. This is not entirely his fault and you can get away with it somewhat because Football is the worst coached sport in the world. No sport is as poorly coached by its professional teams which will be another topic for another day.

Most of you loved Gus and he said some of the same stuff that Marrone says but with the opposite emotional spin. That's the major shift here is an emotional shift that is pleasing to fans because fans are tired of losing. We should not equate grumpiness with discipline. These rhetoric filled interviews about discipline cannot be fulfilled unless discipline remains a discipline and not just something you talk about for six months, accountability, attention to detail and consistent intensity of how day to day is executed will change the culture. I don't know if Marrone is the Coach to fulfill that because he seems very lost despite the impressive coaching rhetoric.

The bolded are just broad sweeping generalizations.  Neither seem very accurate to me either.
A.  I really hear a very different message from Marrone than I heard from Bradley. Perhaps you're focused on the overlap and not the departures. 
B.  I began openly questioning Bradley's ability to coach his players to play "disciplined" midway through 2015. 
C. "rhetoric filled"  - Thus far - Marrone has actually been very specific about his philosophy regarding the coaching and evaluation of three different specific position groups and spoken to direct specific issues and teaching points with Bortles. If all you are getting is rhetoric - you aren't listening very well. 
D. "seems disinterested, lacks instruction, ...don't like how he coaches football."  < He's "aloof." I'll give you that. That's been the take on him since Syracuse though. We knew that. 
But "lacks instruction - way he coaches?"  What do you actually know about any of this and how would you know it?

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The thing that I like about the Marrone-Coughlin combo is it seems like there is someone in charge with a good bit of Common Sense and who isn't all that worried about making the smartest move possible. What I mean by that is that all of the decisions and statements to date have been either obvious, straightforward, or both.

For example, from my point of view drafting Fournette made good sense since everyone else available at #4 would have been a reach. With no trade down options, Fournette was the best talent available for the team. So draft him. Don't try and get cute and think that you can generate unseen skills on a player. Don't just look at numbers and charts. Trust your scouts you, trust your eyes and take the best guy. Done and done.

Secondly, when you draft a guy like Fournette, it is like buying an exotic sports car; you're buying more than just the car, you're buying the maintenance bill for that thing. Fournette needs things to help him produce and to help him help the rest of the Offense. Hence, drafting a mauling Left Tackle and then a Fullback. But when you're looking at taking that Tackle, there is an All World Guard staring you in the face so what do you do? You. Draft. The. Tackle. It's a more important position and if a guy can play Tackle he's worth a lot more than a guy that can play Guard. Also, drafting a FB is a good approach but get the most out of your picks. Wait until the Seventh to take him so that you are getting the most bang for your buck.

As for Marrone's comments and interviews, I think he has a very good grasp on the situation and everything that it entails. He knows that he can't get any real football work in in terms of contact, so make the most of it and set the tone in terms of demands and expectations. Set the bar for the player's knowledge level and what kind of fitness is expected from them.

Now, none of these means doodly-squat if the team doesn't perform, but I think it bodes well and I like the approach from the perspective that someone is in charge who is looking at things from a plain and unbiased point of view.

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I'll try to find the presser in which he directly explains his position on your concerns here. But here's the crux of it:

The "I don't know stuff" he clearly explained as not being willing to prematurely evaluate players or position groups before pads come on. This is more of a message to his players than it is to you or me. They have to earn it every day of the offseason. 

Considering the comments from vets like Campbell, Jackson and Telvin, the players are not coming away from these OTAs feeling like "this isn't practice."  Marrone is just driving home a point to reporters who keep asking questions about position group depth charts and starters etc. that real evaluation of their abilities begins in earnest when the pads come on. Right now he's getting them in football shape and acclimating them to the system. He's also expressing his displeasure with the limitations of the current CBA regarding padded contact work. 

It almost feels like you're looking for something to hate on here.

What you have to understand is that an interview is an interview. In many ways when Doug Talks about OTA's he is saying mostly the same things Gus did. "It's all about challenging players and getting better every day" and all these coachisms about discipline are recycled and it's kind of just the way it is. Gus was very good at saying very little and telling you everything was exciting and I honestly don't have an issue with a positive spin. It's very PR, let me say something without having to really talk.

What it comes down to is actual coaching, preparation for games and training sessions, etc. The problem with Gus was that he knew what to say and it would have been fine, but he really was clueless, if he knew what he was doing, his style would have worked out fine. My issue is that when I see Marrone Coach, he seems disinterested, lacks instruction and those things add up for me because I don't like how he coaches football from the little bites of his actual coaching. This is not entirely his fault and you can get away with it somewhat because Football is the worst coached sport in the world. No sport is as poorly coached by its professional teams which will be another topic for another day.

Most of you loved Gus and he said some of the same stuff that Marrone says but with the opposite emotional spin. That's the major shift here is an emotional shift that is pleasing to fans because fans are tired of losing. We should not equate grumpiness with discipline. These rhetoric filled interviews about discipline cannot be fulfilled unless discipline remains a discipline and not just something you talk about for six months, accountability, attention to detail and consistent intensity of how day to day is executed will change the culture. I don't know if Marrone is the Coach to fulfill that because he seems very lost despite the impressive coaching rhetoric.

How in the world can you say he seems very lost?!?

He has had very little time to work with these players as head coach. If you look at what he did as interim coach, the team performed better under him during those two games than any two game stretch this team has had under Bradley.

I understand you being wary of rhetoric, but "seems very lost?" Come on!

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Boy I sure would like to go back to that ''we believe in victory" dance that Gus was jumping around doing after one of his 14 wins in 4 years and get Doug Marrone's honest perspective on that whole charade.

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Boy I sure would like to go back to that ''we believe in victory" dance that Gus was jumping around doing after one of his 14 wins in 4 years and get Doug Marrone's honest perspective on that whole charade.

Ha!

I think all you have to do is see his post game after the Tennessee win last December to see how he feels about that.

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I know I became a Marrone fan when he was still in Buffalo.  But I recall several videos of post game locker room talks and press conferences where I came away even more impressed with him.  I remember stating that in comparison to Bradley, he sounded like a grown up.

I sure hope this translates into wins.  These three win seasons are highly overrated.

He's a perfect guy to match with Coughlin.  Old school coaching approach.  I was moderately underwhelmed by the hire initially, but knew he was a good coach.  Since the hire, I've been impressed with the things he has been saying and doing.  He and Tom are definitely on the same page.  If this new mindset results in a winning way in Jacksonville, he'll quickly become a very popular guy in these parts.  

You can tell from his comments since taking over as the head coach that he's an accountability and details kind of guy.  If the players aren't meeting his expectations, or they screw up, they're going to hear about it from him, and probably again from Coughlin.  That should take care of the accountability issues this team saw previously.

But remember when ya said no way Marrone ends up our coach?   And no way Coughlin is an executive?   Guess who called um both.  TTR it stings don't it.    But yea that is exactly what was needed.  And now we finally have a chance to win.

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He's a perfect guy to match with Coughlin.  Old school coaching approach.  I was moderately underwhelmed by the hire initially, but knew he was a good coach.  Since the hire, I've been impressed with the things he has been saying and doing.  He and Tom are definitely on the same page.  If this new mindset results in a winning way in Jacksonville, he'll quickly become a very popular guy in these parts.  

You can tell from his comments since taking over as the head coach that he's an accountability and details kind of guy.  If the players aren't meeting his expectations, or they screw up, they're going to hear about it from him, and probably again from Coughlin.  That should take care of the accountability issues this team saw previously.

But remember when ya said no way Marrone ends up our coach?   And no way Coughlin is an executive?   Guess who called um both.  TTR it stings don't it.    But yea that is exactly what was needed.  And now we finally have a chance to win.

Thanks for confirming just how woefully underpowered your reading comprehension skills are.

Never said anything of the sort about Coughlin being an executive.  I said they wouldn't give him complete control if they hired him as head coach. 

As far as Marrone goes, I said I would be UNDERWHELMED if he was hired as head coach.  Feel free to stumble across a dictionary to determine what that means. 

Stings?  Dude, a pile of dog crap has more relevance than you do.

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As far as Marrone goes, I said I would be UNDERWHELMED if he was hired as head coach.  Feel free to stumble across a dictionary to determine what that means. 

Out of curiosity, FBT, who were your preferred choices for head coach?

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The thing that I like about the Marrone-Coughlin combo is it seems like there is someone in charge with a good bit of Common Sense and who isn't all that worried about making the smartest move possible. What I mean by that is that all of the decisions and statements to date have been either obvious, straightforward, or both.

For example, from my point of view drafting Fournette made good sense since everyone else available at #4 would have been a reach. With no trade down options, Fournette was the best talent available for the team. So draft him. Don't try and get cute and think that you can generate unseen skills on a player. Don't just look at numbers and charts. Trust your scouts you, trust your eyes and take the best guy. Done and done.

Secondly, when you draft a guy like Fournette, it is like buying an exotic sports car; you're buying more than just the car, you're buying the maintenance bill for that thing. Fournette needs things to help him produce and to help him help the rest of the Offense. Hence, drafting a mauling Left Tackle and then a Fullback. But when you're looking at taking that Tackle, there is an All World Guard staring you in the face so what do you do? You. Draft. The. Tackle. It's a more important position and if a guy can play Tackle he's worth a lot more than a guy that can play Guard. Also, drafting a FB is a good approach but get the most out of your picks. Wait until the Seventh to take him so that you are getting the most bang for your buck.

As for Marrone's comments and interviews, I think he has a very good grasp on the situation and everything that it entails. He knows that he can't get any real football work in in terms of contact, so make the most of it and set the tone in terms of demands and expectations. Set the bar for the player's knowledge level and what kind of fitness is expected from them.

Now, none of these means doodly-squat if the team doesn't perform, but I think it bodes well and I like the approach from the perspective that someone is in charge who is looking at things from a plain and unbiased point of view.

I don't know that anyone else at 4 other than Fournette would have definitively been a reach, but I like/agree with the Fournette pick. I think Adams or Lattimore would have been good value there, too, though you could argue either would have been a bit of overkill for us in light of who we signed in free agency.

I agree completely with the rest of the analysis.

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As far as Marrone goes, I said I would be UNDERWHELMED if he was hired as head coach.  Feel free to stumble across a dictionary to determine what that means. 

Out of curiosity, FBT, who were your preferred choices for head coach?

I actually wanted to see them bring Coughlin back as the head coach, even if it was a 2-3 year prospect.

I felt this team needed to bring in someone with a track record of success, and he certainly has had that throughout his NFL career.  As it turns out, we somewhat did what I wanted because the only thing Coughlin isn't doing right now is standing on the sideline with a headset on game day.  This pairing has the potential to be a great mentoring opportunity for Marrone, and another feather in Tom's cap.  Marrone is far more compatible with the Coughlin way than I thought initially, and I'm happy I was wrong about my initial impressions of him for now.  Hopefully his coaching style will allow this team to get beyond the top 5 draft pick mentality this team has endured the past few years.

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Out of curiosity, FBT, who were your preferred choices for head coach?

I actually wanted to see them bring Coughlin back as the head coach, even if it was a 2-3 year prospect.

I felt this team needed to bring in someone with a track record of success, and he certainly has had that throughout his NFL career.  As it turns out, we somewhat did what I wanted because the only thing Coughlin isn't doing right now is standing on the sideline with a headset on game day.  This pairing has the potential to be a great mentoring opportunity for Marrone, and another feather in Tom's cap.  Marrone is far more compatible with the Coughlin way than I thought initially, and I'm happy I was wrong about my initial impressions of him for now.  Hopefully his coaching style will allow this team to get beyond the top 5 draft pick mentality this team has endured the past few years.

There were lots of viable candidates for us at HC this year, and I would have been happy with any number of them.

TC was one of those guys. My concerns with TC were his age and drafting, especially in the mid to late rounds. Had no problem whatsoever with his philosophies, track record, etc. At the end of the day, bringing him in would have been worth any risk, and would have given the team an infusion of credibility with the fans.

When he was named GM, age didn't become a concern, but then his drafting and his compatibility with Marrone and Caldwell became a concern to me, but so far they seem to be working great together. In fact TC's and Marrone's philosophies seem so intertwined, I think that bodes well for the longer term stability of the organization. In some organizations, players have been known to go over coaches heads if they disagree with a particular decision. But because TC and Marrone appear to be in lockstep in terms of discipline, etc., that doesn't seem to be an option for the would be malcontent.

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Can't find the video to his comments. But when talking about OTAs, Marrone basically says "I know you guys think that's practice out there, but it's not. I don't know if we can tackle, cover, etc"

Idk about you, but I really like hearing a coach who knows there's a lot to do instead of "trust the process"

LOL .... last year at this time, Gus would be stating that we've come back really strong, there's been a lot of improvement, and are looking sharp out there in OTA's.

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I actually wanted to see them bring Coughlin back as the head coach, even if it was a 2-3 year prospect.

I felt this team needed to bring in someone with a track record of success, and he certainly has had that throughout his NFL career.  As it turns out, we somewhat did what I wanted because the only thing Coughlin isn't doing right now is standing on the sideline with a headset on game day.  This pairing has the potential to be a great mentoring opportunity for Marrone, and another feather in Tom's cap.  Marrone is far more compatible with the Coughlin way than I thought initially, and I'm happy I was wrong about my initial impressions of him for now.  Hopefully his coaching style will allow this team to get beyond the top 5 draft pick mentality this team has endured the past few years.

There were lots of viable candidates for us at HC this year, and I would have been happy with any number of them.

TC was one of those guys.  My concerns with TC were his age and drafting, especially in the mid to late rounds.  Had no problem whatsoever with his philosophies, track record, etc.  At the end of the day, bringing him in would have been worth any risk, and would have given the team an infusion of credibility with the fans.

When he was named GM, age didn't become a concern, but then his drafting and his compatibility with Marrone and Caldwell became a concern to me, but so far they seem to be working great together.  In fact TC's and Maronne's philosophies seem so intertwined, I think that bodes well for the longer term stability of the organization.  In some organizations, players have been known to go over coaches heads if they disagree with a particular decision.  But because TC and Marrone appear to be in lockstep in terms of discipline, etc., that doesn't seem to be an option for the would be malcontent.

Completely agree with this part.  They are very compatible in their styles and their philosophies.  That hopefully bodes well for the future

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