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Hard to know how bad (or not)  it was just yet. 

House gave them one good year and had to battle the Gus Bradley school of "bend then break" zone coverage. 
Odrick was overpaid for his ability but didn't cause much harm and played pretty well in a few games that we had no chance of winning anyway. 
Parnell is still the starting RT. And not a bad one when healthy.
Skuta wasn't bad at SAM. Just nothing special.
Thomas broke his thumb disembarking Khan's jet and never clicked with a faltering QB and bumbling coach that couldn't take advantage of his ability.
Wiz was done and they didn't know it yet  - but everyone agreed at the time he was worth taking a chance on. 


Fowler may yet turn out an asset to the defense. Clock is ticking. 
Yeldon gets too much grief - but I'd have waited and taken Langford or Ajayi in the 4th instead of Sample. 
Cann may yet turn out just fine.
Sample had the injury bug and was probably a bit of a desperation needs pick in the first place. 
Greene actually made some impact in the return game before getting the dropsies. He also may still rebound. 
Bennett actually seems like a good get in the sixth. 
Sterling stepped in for an injured Julius Thomas and posted a nearly identical stat line. 7th round? Nothing bad there. 
Koyack was a steal as was UDFA Corey Grant who may yet prove to be a good gadget back/ KR option. 

We can judge Caldwell on his 2015 acquisitions much better after this season.

Cmon man. Hard to know how it's been so far? No, it's super easy to know how it's been so far. It's been a huge pile of crap so far. Could several of these acquisitions do a 180 and "save" the draft class? Sure, and I hope they do, but let's not pretend we can't judge a draft class after two years in.

Fowler was the third overall player. The standard is much higher than being an asset for the defense. He's a bad pick unless he's the starting DE and averaging 10 sacks a year. Right now, he's second string and ten sacks a year seems like it's not going to happen.

Your analysis of Yeldon is he "gets too much grief". You then say RBs you rather would have taken in the 4th. This is a message board. Let's have some real talk - was Yeldon worth a pick at the top of the second? It seems pretty obvious that the answer thus far has been "hell no". That's your first and second round picks. If those are both misses, you better have gotten some actual gems (above average starters) in rounds 3-7. Did that happen? Nope.

Cann "may yet turn out to be just fine." I agree. He could easily go from below average guard to average guard. He just as easily could turn out to be what's he's been so far. Which has been a guy that we should not have drafted.

Sample will always be a mystery. That's just bad luck, but looks real bad when you consider the rest.

Greene will be lucky to make the team. I like him and he was a fifth round pick. But he doesn't come anywhere near saving this class.

The rest of these guys are late round filler.

The free agent signings did not pan out except for Parnell who's been average.

When you are drafting third in the draft and go into the offseason with a mountain of cash, you need to be able to add several excellent impact players that help turn around your teams fortunes. That didn't happen in 2015. Obviously, hope that 2016 and 2017 have better results.

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The 2015 draft had plenty of duds to be fair.

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Only a chump boos the home team!

Saw this coming. It's predictable. If you can't play you can't play. Things happen.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

That 2015 offseason was absolutely craptastic.

Free agent signings:

S Sergio Brown
CB Davon House
DT Jared Odrick
OT Jermey Parnell
LB Dan Skuta
TE Julius Thomas
C Stefen Wisniewski

Draft picks:

1 Dante Fowler, Jr.
2 T. J. Yeldon
3 A. J. Cann
4 James Sample
5 Rashad Greene
6 Michael Bennett
7 Neal Sterling
Ben Koyack

Bow wow.

Not every draft/UFA signing is going to be a household name. At least we've gotten rid of them a lot faster than previous years where we'd hold on to players like Tyson Alualu for way too long.

Bow wow is right.

Of those FAs, only Parnell remains, and he's currently doing his best to fend off Poutasi for the start.

Of those draft picks, I'm expecting Greene and Bennett to follow Sample out the door before the last round of cuts conclude. Koyack is a lock for the roster, but Sterling is a bubble player who must at least beat out Bluiett to have a shot at the roster this year.

The top three picks should make the roster, but none of them are guaranteed a starting role. Cann is the most likely to start, but they're actively looking to replace him and would if they could. Fowler and Yeldon are basically backups.

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That 2015 offseason was absolutely craptastic.

Free agent signings:

S Sergio Brown
CB Davon House
DT Jared Odrick
OT Jermey Parnell
LB Dan Skuta
TE Julius Thomas
C Stefen Wisniewski

Draft picks:

1 Dante Fowler, Jr.
2 T. J. Yeldon
3 A. J. Cann
4 James Sample
5 Rashad Greene
6 Michael Bennett
7 Neal Sterling
Ben Koyack

Bow wow.

Every player on that list who played both years was better in 2015 than 2016. That's not on Caldwell, that's on Bradley and the rest of the coaching staff.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

Showed promise when healthy, just couldn't stay that way.

Did Sample every really show much promise? The best thing about Sample was a very impressive height/speed ratio that we thought would allow him to match up against similar talents. That said, I'm trying to think back if Sample ever even had a wow moment or a even an impressive flash to point to. 

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'02

That 2015 offseason was absolutely craptastic.

Free agent signings:

S Sergio Brown
CB Davon House
DT Jared Odrick
OT Jermey Parnell
LB Dan Skuta
TE Julius Thomas
C Stefen Wisniewski

Draft picks:

1 Dante Fowler, Jr.
2 T. J. Yeldon
3 A. J. Cann
4 James Sample
5 Rashad Greene
6 Michael Bennett
7 Neal Sterling
Ben Koyack

Bow wow.

Every player on that list who played both years was better in 2015 than 2016. That's not on Caldwell, that's on Bradley and the rest of the coaching staff.

I agree in general that a lot of blame can go on coaches, but that was another terrible draft. They thought so little of their second round reach that they've spent huge at his position both years since he was drafted. And I hate to even get started on what a bad reach Fowler was.

If Bortles comes back on as a decent starter then 2014 was a very good draft, but 2013 and 2015 were quite literally hot garbage, and it's not like good talent wasn't there to be had in 2015, Caldwell just passed it up to fill positions rather than improving team talent, and that's how teams get to where the Jaguars have been for the past decade, terrible to the point of being a punchline.

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Hard to know how bad (or not)  it was just yet. 

House gave them one good year and had to battle the Gus Bradley school of "bend then break" zone coverage. 
Odrick was overpaid for his ability but didn't cause much harm and played pretty well in a few games that we had no chance of winning anyway. 
Parnell is still the starting RT. And not a bad one when healthy.
Skuta wasn't bad at SAM. Just nothing special.
Thomas broke his thumb disembarking Khan's jet and never clicked with a faltering QB and bumbling coach that couldn't take advantage of his ability.
Wiz was done and they didn't know it yet  - but everyone agreed at the time he was worth taking a chance on. 


Fowler may yet turn out an asset to the defense. Clock is ticking. 
Yeldon gets too much grief - but I'd have waited and taken Langford or Ajayi in the 4th instead of Sample. 
Cann may yet turn out just fine.
Sample had the injury bug and was probably a bit of a desperation needs pick in the first place. 
Greene actually made some impact in the return game before getting the dropsies. He also may still rebound. 
Bennett actually seems like a good get in the sixth. 
Sterling stepped in for an injured Julius Thomas and posted a nearly identical stat line. 7th round? Nothing bad there. 
Koyack was a steal as was UDFA Corey Grant who may yet prove to be a good gadget back/ KR option. 

We can judge Caldwell on his 2015 acquisitions much better after this season.

Cmon man. Hard to know how it's been so far? That's not what I said. Just yet =/= so far.   And I don't even agree with your overly negative analysis of how it's been "so far" either. No, it's super easy to know how it's been so far. It's been a huge pile of crap so far. Could several of these acquisitions do a 180 and "save" the draft class?  Sure, and I hope they do, but let's not pretend we can't judge a draft class after two years in. Pretend? I'm pointing out that a handful of these players may make a positive impact for this team for years to come and we don't know yet. You are the one pretending to know how that will turn out.  You don't know. So take your advice. Stop pretending.  

Fowler was the third overall player. The standard is much higher than being an asset for the defense. He's a bad pick unless he's the starting DE and averaging 10 sacks a year. Right now, he's second string and ten sacks a year seems like it's not going to happen. He's played one year. Settle down.

Your analysis of Yeldon is he "gets too much grief".  You then say RBs you rather would have taken in the 4th. This is a message board. Let's have some real talk - was Yeldon worth a pick at the top of the second?  It seems pretty obvious that the answer thus far has been "hell no".  That's your first and second round picks. If those are both misses, you better have gotten some actual gems (above average starters) in rounds 3-7. Did that happen?  Nope.
I'll try to make it more clear for you. I didn't like the pick but he's not as bad as his detractors like to "pretend" he is. 
He needs to be more decisive and stop trying to do the L.V. Bell thing behind the line.  But he's not terrible. Caldwell took him too early. 

Cann "may yet turn out to be just fine."  I agree. He could easily go from below average guard to average guard. He just as easily could turn out to be what's he's been so far. Which has been a guy that we should not have drafted.
Cann may turn out to be an above average guard for all you know. 

Sample will always be a mystery. That's just bad luck, but looks real bad when you consider the rest.

Greene will be lucky to make the team. I like him and he was a fifth round pick. But he doesn't come anywhere near saving this class.

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You and I are clearly seeing this through very different lenses, and that's fine. A lot of poor performances from the Bradley era will cause that sort of thing to happen. 
I understand and respect your perspective. I'm just trying to be more objective about it instead of painting a giant broadstroke of "craptastic" over the entire 2015 group of acquisitions. 
I'm not writing off these other young and very recent draft picks prematurely just because a 4th round safety caught the injury bug and the team moved on filling the roster around him instead of waiting on his health and slow development. 
It will be interesting to see where Sample ends up.

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That draft looks better than any of Gene's

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You Gotta Be Able To Run Da' Rock~

Releasing Sample isn't really a big surprise. The guy can't stay on the field, and TC isn't going to have the same level of patience with these guys that Caldwell did. Sample had the talent and ability to be a solid contributor. Unfortunately, availability wasn't where it needed to be.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Jalen didn't even use this opportunity to take his number.

#20 has become Jalen's brand.. expected him to stick with it..

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80% of what I talk about is nonesense.. the other 25% is made up statistics...