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#41
(This post was last modified: 09-02-2017, 06:57 AM by BritJag.)

(09-02-2017, 02:27 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: All I know is, if we let John Greco get past us on waivers, we deserve to be bad. He could immediately come in and be a starter on this line. I'm shocked the Browns let him go. I guess it just shows how good they are on the O-Line. It must be nice.

Granted the Browns appear to have a deep line, Greco is 32 with back to back significant injuries to end 2015 and 2016.  He sprained the MCL on his left knee in December 2015, had a lisfranc sprain on his right foot in November 2016.  Ended both seasons on IR.  Missed 2017 offseason recovering from lisfranc surgery as expected.  Wasn't cleared for team drills till July 29.  His cut was imminent and documented.  Jags need help, so why not?  But I'm not sure you'd be getting a savior. #BrandenAlbertFreshOnTheirMinds
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#42

(09-02-2017, 06:48 AM)BritJag Wrote:
(09-02-2017, 02:27 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: All I know is, if we let John Greco get past us on waivers, we deserve to be bad. He could immediately come in and be a starter on this line. I'm shocked the Browns let him go. I guess it just shows how good they are on the O-Line. It must be nice.

Granted the Browns appear to have a deep line, Greco is 32 with back to back significant injuries to end 2015 and 2016.  He sprained the MCL on his left knee in December 2015, had a lisfranc sprain on his right foot in November 2016.  Ended both seasons on IR.  Missed 2017 offseason recovering from lisfranc surgery as expected.  Wasn't cleared for team drills till July 29.  His cut was imminent and documented.  Jags need help, so why not?  But I'm not sure you'd be getting a savior.  #BrandenAlbertFreshOnTheirMinds


Greco is done. Stick a fork in him.
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#43

(09-01-2017, 06:21 PM)B2hibry Wrote: Nothing really surprising...yet. Here's an official Jags article. I'm sure the bot will be around shortly to post it.

http://www.jaguars.com/news/article-Jagu...bc1622c399

I have been down for maintenance and updates.  I'll catch up shortly and will not post this one.
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#44
(This post was last modified: 09-02-2017, 08:16 AM by TheO-LineMatters.)

(09-02-2017, 06:48 AM)BritJag Wrote:
(09-02-2017, 02:27 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: All I know is, if we let John Greco get past us on waivers, we deserve to be bad. He could immediately come in and be a starter on this line. I'm shocked the Browns let him go. I guess it just shows how good they are on the O-Line. It must be nice.

Granted the Browns appear to have a deep line, Greco is 32 with back to back significant injuries to end 2015 and 2016.  He sprained the MCL on his left knee in December 2015, had a lisfranc sprain on his right foot in November 2016.  Ended both seasons on IR.  Missed 2017 offseason recovering from lisfranc surgery as expected.  Wasn't cleared for team drills till July 29.  His cut was imminent and documented.  Jags need help, so why not?  But I'm not sure you'd be getting a savior.  #BrandenAlbertFreshOnTheirMinds

I definitely don't see him as a savior, but I do see him as an upgrade over our current OG's. I view him as a short term solution, but definitely not a long term answer.

(09-02-2017, 07:17 AM)Jags02 Wrote:
(09-02-2017, 06:48 AM)BritJag Wrote: Granted the Browns appear to have a deep line, Greco is 32 with back to back significant injuries to end 2015 and 2016.  He sprained the MCL on his left knee in December 2015, had a lisfranc sprain on his right foot in November 2016.  Ended both seasons on IR.  Missed 2017 offseason recovering from lisfranc surgery as expected.  Wasn't cleared for team drills till July 29.  His cut was imminent and documented.  Jags need help, so why not?  But I'm not sure you'd be getting a savior.  #BrandenAlbertFreshOnTheirMinds


Greco is done. Stick a fork in him.

So is Cann and who ever we trot out there at LG, but we just keep playing them. I'd take Greco over them.
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#45
(This post was last modified: 09-02-2017, 09:24 AM by Dakota.)

(09-01-2017, 08:03 PM)HITLER Wrote:
(09-01-2017, 07:49 PM)archer56 Wrote: Ah sorry, I didn't fully understand what was up with that / in the IR/waived thing that was posted. Thanks for the heads up!

Do you not understand what the waiver rule is for injured players or just the specific situation involving one of our players?

I have read about players on other teams being waived/injured. All of the reports about them state if nobody claims the player, he will "revert to IR" on his previous team.

Again, you're late to the party. Had you bothered to read the thread, you would have known that 2 people had already explained it, and did so without being arrogant and condescending.

Do you even bother to read what people write, or are you here to just troll?

(09-01-2017, 08:42 PM)archer56 Wrote:
(09-01-2017, 08:03 PM)JaguarsWoman Wrote: Do you not understand what the waiver rule is for injured players or just the specific situation involving one of our players?

I have read about players on other teams being waived/injured. All of the reports about them state if nobody claims the player, he will "revert to IR" on his previous team.

1. What does it matter to you as I was thanking someone for information, not asking you for a condescending post. 


2. I don't pay attention to off season cuts so when I see someone going to IR, it makes sense, when I see someone cut, it makes sense, when I see a waived/injured designation, no where in there does that imply that this person is going to revert to IR.  Quiet honestly, looking at the title "waived/injured" means that the team cut him for not being healthy, but think him valuable enough to be an IR candidate.
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#46
(This post was last modified: 09-02-2017, 09:43 AM by The Real Marty.)

(09-02-2017, 09:29 AM)Dakota Wrote:
(09-01-2017, 09:27 PM)HITLER Wrote: Again, Dave Caldwell is NOT the guy who signs, trades, and cuts players in Jacksonville. Wallbash Real Jaguars fans know that.

Caldwell and Coughlin have a HUGE say in who stays and who goes. They have this thing called a meeting where they all  give their opinions about each player. Real Jaguar fans would know that.

But again, you have to be arrogant and condescending toward other posters. You'll be banned again in no time. People here don't like you and the way you talk down to them.

Actually, I enjoy the way JW talks down to people, and I especially enjoy their reaction to it.

You know, if people got banned for arrogance and condescension, there'd be no one left.
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#47

The JDub Thread Swerve is in affect.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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#48

Keep it on topic, folks.

Here's some cut trackers:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/01/nfl-ro...l-cutdowns

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-r...est-moves/
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#49

(09-02-2017, 02:27 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: All I know is, if we let John Greco get past us on waivers, we deserve to be bad. He could immediately come in and be a starter on this line. I'm shocked the Browns let him go. I guess it just shows how good they are on the O-Line. It must be nice.

Very sure Greco's got enough experience that he's not going to hit waivers.

Completely sure that Greco is one of those players who's an upgrade only because you've heard his name before.
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#50

(09-02-2017, 10:58 AM)TJBender Wrote:
(09-02-2017, 02:27 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: All I know is, if we let John Greco get past us on waivers, we deserve to be bad. He could immediately come in and be a starter on this line. I'm shocked the Browns let him go. I guess it just shows how good they are on the O-Line. It must be nice.

Very sure Greco's got enough experience that he's not going to hit waivers.

Completely sure that Greco is one of those players who's an upgrade only because you've heard his name before.

A. After looking back, you're right. He's an UFA.

B. Absolutely not. I realize he's not elite, but what we have at OG now, is nothing short of hot garbage.
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#51

(09-02-2017, 11:02 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(09-02-2017, 10:58 AM)TJBender Wrote: Very sure Greco's got enough experience that he's not going to hit waivers.

Completely sure that Greco is one of those players who's an upgrade only because you've heard his name before.

A. After looking back, you're right. He's an UFA.

B. Absolutely not. I realize he's not elite, but what we have at OG now, is nothing short of hot garbage.

And adding hot, stale, putrid, rotting garbage to it isn't going to make the rest of the line smell less like [BLEEP]. The kind of guy I'd target on waivers along the OL--and we definitely need to add a body or two--is a younger player with something resembling potential that lost out in a numbers game. A guy like what the team saw in Shatley and Wells a few years ago, who might develop into something down the line. Even if the guy's going to develop into another flaming bag of dog poo, I'd rather take the shot at a guy with the ability to develop, not someone who's already done and not going to get any less washed-up as the year progresses.

Remember, this is Coughlin's mulligan year, and likely Marrone's too. None of the QBs on this roster are the answer. Playing Bortles over Henne given the risk of eating Bortles' salary next year indicates that this isn't a team out to tank for the first pick...yet. If we do end up folding up the tents and playing Henne, would you rather have someone on the line who's old and bad, someone we already know is bad, or someone who might end up being not terrible?
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#52

(09-02-2017, 11:27 AM)TJBender Wrote:
(09-02-2017, 11:02 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: A. After looking back, you're right. He's an UFA.

B. Absolutely not. I realize he's not elite, but what we have at OG now, is nothing short of hot garbage.

And adding hot, stale, putrid, rotting garbage to it isn't going to make the rest of the line smell less like [BLEEP]. The kind of guy I'd target on waivers along the OL--and we definitely need to add a body or two--is a younger player with something resembling potential that lost out in a numbers game. A guy like what the team saw in Shatley and Wells a few years ago, who might develop into something down the line. Even if the guy's going to develop into another flaming bag of dog poo, I'd rather take the shot at a guy with the ability to develop, not someone who's already done and not going to get any less washed-up as the year progresses.

Remember, this is Coughlin's mulligan year, and likely Marrone's too. None of the QBs on this roster are the answer. Playing Bortles over Henne given the risk of eating Bortles' salary next year indicates that this isn't a team out to tank for the first pick...yet. If we do end up folding up the tents and playing Henne, would you rather have someone on the line who's old and bad, someone we already know is bad, or someone who might end up being not terrible?

If we end up playing Henne, the season is already lost, so I don't care.
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#53

(09-02-2017, 11:53 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(09-02-2017, 11:27 AM)TJBender Wrote: And adding hot, stale, putrid, rotting garbage to it isn't going to make the rest of the line smell less like [BLEEP]. The kind of guy I'd target on waivers along the OL--and we definitely need to add a body or two--is a younger player with something resembling potential that lost out in a numbers game. A guy like what the team saw in Shatley and Wells a few years ago, who might develop into something down the line. Even if the guy's going to develop into another flaming bag of dog poo, I'd rather take the shot at a guy with the ability to develop, not someone who's already done and not going to get any less washed-up as the year progresses.

Remember, this is Coughlin's mulligan year, and likely Marrone's too. None of the QBs on this roster are the answer. Playing Bortles over Henne given the risk of eating Bortles' salary next year indicates that this isn't a team out to tank for the first pick...yet. If we do end up folding up the tents and playing Henne, would you rather have someone on the line who's old and bad, someone we already know is bad, or someone who might end up being not terrible?

If we end up playing Henne, the season is already lost, so I don't care.

I'm operating under the assumption that between Bortles and the OL, the season is already just about lost. I'd rather be bad and young than bad and old.
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#54

(09-02-2017, 11:57 AM)TJBender Wrote:
(09-02-2017, 11:53 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: If we end up playing Henne, the season is already lost, so I don't care.

I'm operating under the assumption that between Bortles and the OL, the season is already just about lost. I'd rather be bad and young than bad and old.

At least when you have a bad, old player he's more likely to sign a short term deal and you can cut him quicker. Younger guys don't want short term deals, so when they suck you're stuck with them for a longer period of time unless you wanna take a cap hit. I'm looking for a band aid, because for now, there's no miracle cure coming.
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#55

(09-02-2017, 12:01 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(09-02-2017, 11:57 AM)TJBender Wrote: I'm operating under the assumption that between Bortles and the OL, the season is already just about lost. I'd rather be bad and young than bad and old.

At least when you have a bad, old player he's more likely to sign a short term deal and you can cut him quicker. Younger guys don't want short term deals, so when they suck you're stuck with them for a longer period of time unless you wanna take a cap hit. I'm looking for a band aid, because for now, there's no miracle cure coming.

Contract considerations will not be an issue with anyone claimed on waivers this weekend. With Greco, they would be, because the second the first game begins with him on the roster, his 2017 salary is guaranteed.
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#56

(09-02-2017, 12:03 PM)TJBender Wrote:
(09-02-2017, 12:01 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: At least when you have a bad, old player he's more likely to sign a short term deal and you can cut him quicker. Younger guys don't want short term deals, so when they suck you're stuck with them for a longer period of time unless you wanna take a cap hit. I'm looking for a band aid, because for now, there's no miracle cure coming.

Contract considerations will not be an issue with anyone claimed on waivers this weekend. With Greco, they would be, because the second the first game begins with him on the roster, his 2017 salary is guaranteed.

If he takes a 1 year deal, I'm fine with that. Pay him whatever.
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#57

The Texans released Josh Walker, a big G with some experience.
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#58

The Chiefs cut a intriguing veteran G in Andrew Tiller.
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#59

(09-01-2017, 06:27 PM)archer56 Wrote: lol, I hope Williams makes his way to the PS

Agreed. 

Being that he was released due to injury there's a good chance that he'll make it through the waver wire.

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#60

Is the final cut list out yet? Haven't seen it anywhere
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