This photo and explanation fits very well

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/bigg...tp#image=1

Slide 17 is lazy journalism which seems to be the rule rather than the exception these days.  They were limiting his attempts as I explained above.  

The game plan didn't lose us the game yesterday.  It's just unfortunately the only game plan we can roll with because of Blake as you mentioned before.  There's really 0 margin for error (unless the D does what it did in week 1 and puts up points for us) and we had way too many errors yesterday.  This one came down to penalties and turnovers.  The first turnover was on Cam's inability to slow down Orakpo on the sack fumble.  The two interceptions were largely Blake's fault.  The first being a pretty big swing in the game.  We were on the cusp of being in FG range and probably were in range for Myers if we absolutely had to kick.  He threw an ill advised low pass which was tipped at the line and intercepted and the tacks drove down the field to get their own FG right before the half.  That's a 6 point swing in what was a defensive battle at the time.  The second was Blake's inaccuracy on display as he threw behind Lee who reached back for it and tipped it up for the 2nd INT.

You can throw some INTs and still be successful.  Most QBs in the league throw their share.  Blake not only throws a lot of them, he also does it in such a back breaking way.  Last year he put points on the board for the other team or set the opponent up in scoring position on a regular basis.  Yesterday, he pretty much took points off the board for us and then our D who did an admirable job as long as they could were unable to prevent the tacks from getting a FG as time expired at the end of the half.

Truth.  ^

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This photo and explanation fits very well

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/bigg...tp#image=1

Slide 17 is lazy journalism which seems to be the rule rather than the exception these days.  They were limiting his attempts as I explained above.  

The game plan didn't lose us the game yesterday.  It's just unfortunately the only game plan we can roll with because of Blake as you mentioned before.  There's really 0 margin for error (unless the D does what it did in week 1 and puts up points for us) and we had way too many errors yesterday.  This one came down to penalties and turnovers.  The first turnover was on Cam's inability to slow down Orakpo on the sack fumble.  The two interceptions were largely Blake's fault.  The first being a pretty big swing in the game.  We were on the cusp of being in FG range and probably were in range for Myers if we absolutely had to kick.  He threw an ill advised low pass which was tipped at the line and intercepted and the tacks drove down the field to get their own FG right before the half.  That's a 6 point swing in what was a defensive battle at the time.  The second was Blake's inaccuracy on display as he threw behind Lee who reached back for it and tipped it up for the 2nd INT.

You can throw some INTs and still be successful.  Most QBs in the league throw their share.  Blake not only throws a lot of them, he also does it in such a back breaking way.  Last year he put points on the board for the other team or set the opponent up in scoring position on a regular basis.  Yesterday, he pretty much took points off the board for us and then our D who did an admirable job as long as they could were unable to prevent the tacks from getting a FG as time expired at the end of the half.

We also cannot deviate slightly from that game plan. I saw a team try to sprinkle some pass and run plays together. They attempted to be more balanced and that backfired. We have to be run heavy to have a legit chance to win.

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Great thread. Pure gold.

Only run on first and second downs, every time. That'll work.

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Great thread. Pure gold.

Only run on first and second downs, every time. That'll work.

So you prefer interceptions and passes into the dirt instead? I can promise this, if Bortles has to throw the all more than 25 times we will lose. What game plan do you propose?

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Great thread. Pure gold.

Only run on first and second downs, every time. That'll work.

So you prefer interceptions and passes into the dirt instead? I can promise this, if Bortles has to throw the all more than 25 times we will lose. What game plan do you propose?

Their game plan was fine, Bortles just has to play better. 

Actually I wouldn't mind taking 1-2 more deep shots early in the game.

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So you prefer interceptions and passes into the dirt instead? I can promise this, if Bortles has to throw the all more than 25 times we will lose. What game plan do you propose?

Their game plan was fine, Bortles just has to play better. 

Actually I wouldn't mind taking 1-2 more deep shots early in the game.

I agree with taking a few shots earlier. The question is can Bortles play better? I don't think he can. I have lost all faith in him so to me we have to play in a way that limits what we ask him to do altogether. If he can't connect on some down the field passes, what good are the attempts? Can his mechanics even allow him to get the ball down that far? These are legit questions I have

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Their game plan was fine, Bortles just has to play better. 

Actually I wouldn't mind taking 1-2 more deep shots early in the game.

I agree with taking a few shots earlier. The question is can Bortles play better? I don't think he can. I have lost all faith in him so to me we have to play in a way that limits what we ask him to do altogether. If he can't connect on some down the field passes, what good are the attempts? Can his mechanics even allow him to get the ball down that far? These are legit questions I have

I think he will have better days, but he's done here. 

If we do what you're suggesting, how good will it be to face 3rd and 9 every series of downs?

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I agree with taking a few shots earlier. The question is can Bortles play better? I don't think he can. I have lost all faith in him so to me we have to play in a way that limits what we ask him to do altogether. If he can't connect on some down the field passes, what good are the attempts? Can his mechanics even allow him to get the ball down that far? These are legit questions I have

I think he will have better days, but he's done here. 

If we do what you're suggesting, how good will it be to face 3rd and 9 every series of downs?

When they hand the ball off on first down, 4net would make it 2nd and 6. When they start trying to mix passing with running to be balanced is when we start seeing the issues. We won't be able to have a balanced offense. It has to be run heavy if we plan on winning any games

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I think he will have better days, but he's done here. 

If we do what you're suggesting, how good will it be to face 3rd and 9 every series of downs?

When they hand the ball off on first down, 4net would make it 2nd and 6. When they start trying to mix passing with running to be balanced is when we start seeing the issues. We won't be able to have a balanced offense. It has to be run heavy if we plan on winning any games

I'm mystified how you don't see that they are already doing this. They only deviated from it when they were backed up for 1st and 20 or down by multiple scores. Because throwing the ball is the only way to dig your team out of those holes. 

They are already doing exactly what you are asking.

If any coach went out there and ran it every play - even on third and long - like you suggested earlier  - the coaching staff would be fired the following Monday.

Heck -- they even tried running a screen (basically a run play) twice in those situations and once on 1st and 20 I think they tried a draw up the middle. It would be tough for a team to be more blatantly "run heavy" than this team has been thus far in two games.

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This team is currently "built" to protect the lead.

The problem is getting the lead.

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Bortles turned the ball over 3 times that I remember last week. He's terrible, but you guys seem to have a crush on him b/c he's from a Florida school and puts up decent numbers against back-ups in the 4th qtr... ridiculous.

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I ain't no monkey... I'm an ape.

When they hand the ball off on first down, 4net would make it 2nd and 6. When they start trying to mix passing with running to be balanced is when we start seeing the issues. We won't be able to have a balanced offense. It has to be run heavy if we plan on winning any games

I'm mystified how you don't see that they are already doing this. They only deviated from it when they were backed up for 1st and 20 or down by multiple scores. Because throwing the ball is the only way to dig your team out of those holes. 

They are already doing exactly what you are asking.

If any coach went out there and ran it every play - even on third and long - like you suggested earlier  - the coaching staff would be fired the following Monday.

Heck -- they even tried running a screen (basically a run play) twice in those situations and once on 1st and 20 I think they tried a draw up the middle.  It would be tough for a team to be more blatantly "run heavy" than this team has been thus far in two games.

Unfortunately in our current situation going three and out and punting the ball is actually a win compared to the guaranteed interception/fumble that will occur. That is all we have when you have a qb who cannot throw the ball and turns it over at a high rate. My number one concern is mitigating the turnovers. That means we have to take the ball out of Bortles hands. If you look at the play by play they did not do that in the titans game. They tried to be more balanced and the whooping we caught is the result of that. 

Screens and draws work when you can actually have the threat of passing. Run heavy is just that run heavy. At this point we need to be bringing in extra linemen and tight ends cause the passing game is non-existent until the 4th quarter and we're down 27

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I think he will have better days, but he's done here. 

If we do what you're suggesting, how good will it be to face 3rd and 9 every series of downs?

When they hand the ball off on first down, 4net would make it 2nd and 6. When they start trying to mix passing with running to be balanced is when we start seeing the issues. We won't be able to have a balanced offense. It has to be run heavy if we plan on winning any games

Did Fournette Average 4ypc in either game so far? How in the world would you expect more success running the ball with less of a threat from the pass?

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I'm mystified how you don't see that they are already doing this. They only deviated from it when they were backed up for 1st and 20 or down by multiple scores. Because throwing the ball is the only way to dig your team out of those holes. 

They are already doing exactly what you are asking.

If any coach went out there and ran it every play - even on third and long - like you suggested earlier  - the coaching staff would be fired the following Monday.

Heck -- they even tried running a screen (basically a run play) twice in those situations and once on 1st and 20 I think they tried a draw up the middle.  It would be tough for a team to be more blatantly "run heavy" than this team has been thus far in two games.

Unfortunately in our current situation going three and out and punting the ball is actually a win compared to the guaranteed interception/fumble that will occur. 

You're being highly irrational man.

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I'm mystified how you don't see that they are already doing this. They only deviated from it when they were backed up for 1st and 20 or down by multiple scores. Because throwing the ball is the only way to dig your team out of those holes. 

They are already doing exactly what you are asking.

If any coach went out there and ran it every play - even on third and long - like you suggested earlier  - the coaching staff would be fired the following Monday.

Heck -- they even tried running a screen (basically a run play) twice in those situations and once on 1st and 20 I think they tried a draw up the middle.  It would be tough for a team to be more blatantly "run heavy" than this team has been thus far in two games.

Unfortunately in our current situation going three and out and punting the ball is actually a win compared to the guaranteed interception/fumble that will occur. That is all we have when you have a qb who cannot throw the ball and turns it over at a high rate. My number one concern is mitigating the turnovers. That means we have to take the ball out of Bortles hands. If you look at the play by play they did not do that in the titans game. They tried to be more balanced and the whooping we caught is the result of that. 

Screens and draws work when you can actually have the threat  of passing. Run heavy is just that run heavy. At this point we need to be bringing in extra linemen and tight ends cause the passing game is non-existent until the 4th quarter and we're down 27

You're taking the longest way I've ever seen anyone take to get to your ultimate conclusion which is: "Bortles needs to be benched or cut".  I think most of us are already there or pretty close to it.

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WR toss pass back to Blake.

Every play.

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If you think I offended you, don't worry, I meant to. #facts 
  
#iamlegend

Unfortunately in our current situation going three and out and punting the ball is actually a win compared to the guaranteed interception/fumble that will occur. That is all we have when you have a qb who cannot throw the ball and turns it over at a high rate. My number one concern is mitigating the turnovers. That means we have to take the ball out of Bortles hands. If you look at the play by play they did not do that in the titans game. They tried to be more balanced and the whooping we caught is the result of that. 

Screens and draws work when you can actually have the threat  of passing. Run heavy is just that run heavy. At this point we need to be bringing in extra linemen and tight ends cause the passing game is non-existent until the 4th quarter and we're down 27

You're taking the longest way I've ever seen anyone take to get to your ultimate conclusion which is: "Bortles needs to be benched or cut".  I think most of us are already there or pretty close to it.

lol I feel you

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When they hand the ball off on first down, 4net would make it 2nd and 6. When they start trying to mix passing with running to be balanced is when we start seeing the issues. We won't be able to have a balanced offense. It has to be run heavy if we plan on winning any games

Did Fournette Average 4ypc in either game so far? How in the world would you expect more success running the ball with less of a threat from the pass?

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Unfortunately in our current situation going three and out and punting the ball is actually a win compared to the guaranteed interception/fumble that will occur. 

You're being highly irrational man.

Maybe so. I guess I'll champion Bortles dropping back 30 plus times a game and throwing on 1st and 2nd down.

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Bortles turned the ball over 3 times that I remember last week. He's terrible, but you guys seem to have a crush on him b/c he's from a Florida school and puts up decent numbers against back-ups in the 4th qtr... ridiculous.

Just what are you babbling about?

Bortles turned the ball over last week?  What in practice?

Titans put their backups in in the 4th quarter?

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

What's the game plan?

Stop shooting yourselves in the foot with stupid [BLEEP] penalties. Plain and simple.

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2016 Game Plan (should have been):

Don't Promote the QB Coach to Offensive Coordinator when your QB has significantly regressed.

Or your O-Line coach to head coach when they had no improvement during his time here.

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I don't want to keep killing the qb. It is what it is. I'm just trying to figure out what we can do to still win some games. It's early in the season and other teams have won before with horrible quarterbacks. This tanking thing is getting old.

You (and most everybody else) need to get over your obsession with hating Bortles and look at what happened last week for what it really is.

They're trying to keep the ball out of Bortle's hands. I know that, you know that, everybody in the entire world knows that. It's hard to keep the ball out of your bad struggling QB's hands when you're constantly being faced with 1st and 20+ multiple drives in a row. 

You're forced to throw the ball in those situations and everybody knows it. You can't hide anything in that situation because there's only so many plays drawn up for those kind of situations.

Bortles isn't good, we all know this, it is what it is. The awful penalties are more concerning though because it's the same thing as last season. We were 2nd in the NFL in penalties last year and we're currently 2nd in the NFL in penalties this year.

You can hate Bortles and want him gone as much as the next guy, but he isn't out there committing hands to the face penalties and Offensive face masking penalties that are putting this Offense in bad situations.

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