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#81

(10-27-2017, 03:09 PM)Upper Wrote:
(10-27-2017, 02:17 PM)BlueEyedJag Wrote: So whats the opinion of keeping Colvin for 10M a year?

We have too many needs to be able to pay 10 mil for a nickelback.


What needs other than QB.
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#82

(10-27-2017, 09:14 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote:
(10-27-2017, 03:09 PM)Upper Wrote: We have too many needs to be able to pay 10 mil for a nickel back.

What needs other than QB?

I agree with Upper, but we do have more than one need. How about a replacement for T.J. Yeldon, a pending UFA who was not worth a high second round pick?
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#83
(This post was last modified: 10-28-2017, 07:38 AM by wg171.)

(10-27-2017, 09:14 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote:
(10-27-2017, 03:09 PM)Upper Wrote: We have too many needs to be able to pay 10 mil for a nickelback.


What needs other than QB.

A big, nasty mauling guard?
WR?
TE?
CB? assuming Colvin leaves

(10-27-2017, 09:31 PM)JaguarsWoman Wrote:
(10-27-2017, 09:14 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: What needs other than QB?

I agree with Upper, but we do have more than one need. How about a replacement for T.J. Yeldon, a pending UFA who was not worth a high second round pick?

Agreed
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#84

(10-28-2017, 07:36 AM)wg171 Wrote:
(10-27-2017, 09:14 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: What needs other than QB.

A big, nasty mauling guard?
WR?
TE?
CB? assuming Colvin leaves

Agreed with all of the above...and maybe a LB in case the team decides to get rid of Poz.
 

Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!





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#85

(10-28-2017, 07:38 AM)Bullseye Wrote:
(10-28-2017, 07:36 AM)wg171 Wrote: A big, nasty mauling guard?
WR?
TE?
CB? assuming Colvin leaves

Agreed with all of the above...and maybe a LB in case the team decides to get rid of Poz.

Hopefully Blair Brown can step in...

Im think OL/WR/TE get picked in the first 4 rounds...might even be the first 3 rounds if no QB falls.

I think Dede takes Lee's spot and Arob seriously might be allowed to walk.

The Combo of Bortles and Fournette make WR value diminish.
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#86

(10-28-2017, 09:23 AM)BlueEyedJag Wrote:
(10-28-2017, 07:38 AM)Bullseye Wrote: Agreed with all of the above...and maybe a LB in case the team decides to get rid of Poz.

Hopefully Blair Brown can step in...

Im think OL/WR/TE get picked in the first 4 rounds...might even be the first 3 rounds if no QB falls.

I think Dede takes Lee's spot and Arob seriously might be allowed to walk.

The Combo of Bortles and Fournette make WR value diminish.

Bite your tongue! We'll get a QB, even if we have to trade up. We cannot come out of this draft without a potential starting QB. That would be completely unacceptable. It has to be our #1 priority and we have to be willing to do whatever it takes to get "our guy."
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#87

(10-28-2017, 11:54 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(10-28-2017, 09:23 AM)BlueEyedJag Wrote: Hopefully Blair Brown can step in...

Im think OL/WR/TE get picked in the first 4 rounds...might even be the first 3 rounds if no QB falls.

I think Dede takes Lee's spot and Arob seriously might be allowed to walk.

The Combo of Bortles and Fournette make WR value diminish.

Bite your tongue! We'll get a QB, even if we have to trade up. We cannot come out of this draft without a potential starting QB. That would be completely unacceptable. It has to be our #1 priority and we have to be willing to do whatever it takes to get "our guy."
Thinking it might have to be with our 1st rounder then...and Jackson/Rosen/Mayfield/Rudolph most likely gone...
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#88

Players who will be free agents after this season.

The players in bold are the ones that I think will get a contract.

Unrestricted

Paul Posluszny - Probably won't be back.
Chad Henne - Probably won't be back.
Lerentee McCray - Probably won't be back.
Aaron Colvin - Should get some kind of deal.
Marqise Lee - 50/50 that he gets some kind of deal.
Calvin Pryor - Probably won't be back
Allen Robinson - Should get a deal.
Patrick Omameh - Should get a deal.
Peyton Thompson - Probably won't be back.
Matt Overton - Will probably get a deal.
Jonathan Freeny - Unkown

Restricted

Corey Grant - Probably won't be back.
Tyler Patmon - Unkown, probably won't be back.
Josh Walker - Probably won't be back.
Josh Lambo - Will get a deal if he keeps making kicks.
Tyler Gaffney - Probably won't be back.

Exclusive Rights

Tommy Bohanon - Could possibly get a deal
Ben Koyack - Could possibly get a deal.
William Poehls - Probably won't be back.
Chris Reed - Could possibly get a deal.
Shane Wynn - Probably won't be back.
Jarrod Harper - Probably won't be back.
Jaydon Mickens - Could possibly get a deal.


There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.
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#89

It's going to take some significant concessions in other areas to keep all of those bolded guys.
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#90

(10-28-2017, 12:10 PM)BlueEyedJag Wrote:
(10-28-2017, 11:54 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: Bite your tongue! We'll get a QB, even if we have to trade up. We cannot come out of this draft without a potential starting QB. That would be completely unacceptable. It has to be our #1 priority and we have to be willing to do whatever it takes to get "our guy."
Thinking it might have to be with our 1st rounder then...and Jackson/Rosen/Mayfield/Rudolph most likely gone...

Then we have to be prepared to trade up. Normally I hate trading up in the draft, but when it comes to getting a QB, as essentially one of the final pieces of the puzzle, I'm all for it. The cost is inconsequential. Getting a QB is what is keeping this team from getting to the Superbowl. I've never been able to say that before. Now, I truly believe it.
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#91

Some of you have absolutely no clue. Hurns cut? Maybe Arob walks? WR is diminished?
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#92

(10-28-2017, 04:55 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: Some of you have absolutely no clue. Hurns cut? Maybe Arob walks? WR is diminished?

Hurns walking...doubtful.

This team is being built to be a ball.control running O with dominant Defense.

To say this team's scheme might not pay a WR 15+ Million isn't clueless.  

With all the money being tied up with the D some area of the team is going to have to suffer.

That may be cutting Bortles to save 19M
That could be opting not to franchise Arob and let him walk.
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#93

Oh yeah....we pitched a shut out with Bortles going for 300 yards. We drafted Westbrook. Arob is about to get paid.

Yes I know all about Fournette but don't give me that junk about WR being diminished so we're gonna let Hurns go and Arob walk.
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#94

(10-28-2017, 06:10 PM)BlueEyedJag Wrote:
(10-28-2017, 04:55 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: Some of you have absolutely no clue. Hurns cut? Maybe Arob walks? WR is diminished?

Hurns walking...doubtful.

This team is being built to be a ball.control running O with dominant Defense.

To say this team's scheme might not pay a WR 15+ Million isn't clueless.  

With all the money being tied up with the D some area of the team is going to have to suffer.

That may be cutting Bortles to save 19M
That could be opting not to franchise Arob and let him walk.

A lot of what you say is true, however, I don't think the team is necessarily being "built to be a ball control running O with a dominant defense" for the long term.   I think it is being ADAPTED that way for the short term because of Blake.  It's nice to have those things, for sure, but if we somehow managed to acquire a better QB, we would adapt to that, too.
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#95

there is a better chance of us not resigning ARob than cutting Hurns imo
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#96

(10-29-2017, 05:31 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:
(10-28-2017, 06:10 PM)BlueEyedJag Wrote: Hurns walking...doubtful.

This team is being built to be a ball.control running O with dominant Defense.

To say this team's scheme might not pay a WR 15+ Million isn't clueless.  

With all the money being tied up with the D some area of the team is going to have to suffer.

That may be cutting Bortles to save 19M
That could be opting not to franchise Arob and let him walk.

A lot of what you say is true, however, I don't think the team is necessarily being "built to be a ball control running O with a dominant defense" for the long term.   I think it is being ADAPTED that way for the short term because of Blake.  It's nice to have those things, for sure, but if we somehow managed to acquire a better QB, we would adapt to that, too.

While I agree we've adapted this system for Blake to cover up his flaws, I also think it would benefit a rookie QB. I believe the team went into this season expecting that we'd likely spend a 1st round pick on a QB. By creating a ball control type offense where the running game is the main weapon, that would take a lot of pressure off a young QB who is trying to learn the nuances of a new offense. This will help us to bring a rookie QB along slowly and he won't have to carry the offense on his back. As I've said before, I fully expect us to sign a mid range QB in free agency, to serve as a short term transition to a rookie QB. I don't expect us to go after a high priced FA QB, especially after all the money we've spent on the defensive side of the football. I also don't expect us to keep Bortles beyond this season as his cap number for 2018 would be $19 million. We could sign a decent transition QB at a lot less money to a short term deal, while the rookie adjust to the NFL.
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#97

(10-29-2017, 10:19 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: there is a better chance of us not resigning ARob than cutting Hurns imo

I see your point, but they structured Hurns' deal the way they did for a reason. 
Letting him walk with no dead money against the cap is indeed a real option if they don't feel they can pay everyone they want to keep. 
I don't really think they'll have to do it - but it is a real possibility if they get their backs against the wall cap-wise. 

Restructuring Dareus' deal and whether or not they spend big on a FA quarterback will likely be the determining factors.
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#98

(10-30-2017, 12:29 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(10-29-2017, 10:19 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: there is a better chance of us not resigning ARob than cutting Hurns imo

I see your point, but they structured Hurns' deal the way they did for a reason. 
Letting him walk with no dead money against the cap is indeed a real option if they don't feel they can pay everyone they want to keep. 
I don't really think they'll have to do it - but it is a real possibility if they get their backs against the wall cap-wise. 

Restructuring Dareus' deal and whether or not they spend big on a FA quarterback will likely be the determining factors.

I think Ivory cut is certain and like some have stated I don't think Blake stays at 19M.  

He will either resign with lower contract or cut.

The dangerous cap situation is if they decide to go after one of the big name QBs.

It will be an interesting off season for sure watching for who we resign moreso than who we target as the big free agent signing.
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#99

(10-30-2017, 12:51 PM)BlueEyedJag Wrote:
(10-30-2017, 12:29 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: I see your point, but they structured Hurns' deal the way they did for a reason. 
Letting him walk with no dead money against the cap is indeed a real option if they don't feel they can pay everyone they want to keep. 
I don't really think they'll have to do it - but it is a real possibility if they get their backs against the wall cap-wise. 

Restructuring Dareus' deal and whether or not they spend big on a FA quarterback will likely be the determining factors.

I think Ivory cut is certain and like some have stated I don't think Blake stays at 19M.  

He will either resign with lower contract or cut.

The dangerous cap situation is if they decide to go after one of the big name QBs.

It will be an interesting off season for sure watching for who we resign moreso than who we target as the big free agent signing.

Yeah  -- as well as Ivory is playing, the out-clause in his contract just makes it too easy for the Jags to clear cap space by opting out.   His 25-30% of the carries are valuable, but he's not irreplaceable.  Especially if the Jags look to upgrade the guard position in the draft. 

There's also a long list of UFA RBs coming up in 2018 to find a guy cheaper if they don't draft one.  Of course Yeldon is likely still part of the equation as well, but I get the feeling they will still want another bruiser in their backfield arsenal.
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Ain't no way we cut Hurns AND let AR and Lee go in free agency.

Westbrook might be good... but he ain't that good lol
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