Jared Goff, Carson Wentz, Dak Prescott and DeShaun Watson have all been drafted in the last 3 years and all either appear to be or have flashed, abilities to be future stars at the QB spot. Their respective teams recognized this and went out and drafted them. We can't be afraid to do the same thing, just because it's a long shot. Sometimes you have to take risks. Now, is the perfect time. Outside of QB, our only major needs are TE and OG. If not now, when? I don't wanna be stuck in mediocrity, just because we wanna play it safe. I'm willing to swing the bat and go for a home run. Maybe we strike out or maybe, just maybe, we find a future star at the QB position which can elevate this team even further.

Maybe we don't all feel the same way that you do.  And in reality, if the Jaguars like him it doesn't really matter.

That's my issue. Please explain why you are satisfied with mediocrity? That's my only real problem. I don't get it, at all. You obviously cannot argue that Bortles is a mediocre QB. The people see it, the stats show it, it's a verifiable fact. Why don't you want to try and upgrade. I seriously want to know.

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I'm not sure Cousins is a guaranteed upgrade. In his 25 and 26 year old seasons he threw for 14 touchdowns and 16 interceptions with a QB rating of 74.3. Even this season (29 years old) his Total QBR was lower than Bortles. 0-2 in the playoffs with a rating lower than Bortles. Bortles is also without a #1 receiver and or a decent tight end. Could Cousins turn out better than Bortles going forward? Maybe, but it is far from a certainty. People get on Bortles for turning it over. His career INT % is 2.9. Kirk Cousins at age 26 had a career 4.7% INT %.

You really have to dig deep cherry picking stats and specific seasons as Cousins not being the full time starter to make Blake's stats look better than Cousins'.  

You don't have to dig that deep.

Total QBR this season. Bortles 55.2 (12th). Kirk Cousins 52.0 (17th). Jared Goff 52.0 (16th). One QB excelled in the AFC Divisional game (highest Total QBR for a game of any QB in the playoffs) and the other 2 will be watching this weekend from their couches.

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Maybe we don't all feel the same way that you do.  And in reality, if the Jaguars like him it doesn't really matter.

That's my issue. Please explain why you are satisfied with mediocrity? That's my only real problem. I don't get it, at all. You obviously cannot argue that Bortles is a mediocre QB. The people see it, the stats show it, it's a verifiable fact. Why don't you want to try and upgrade. I seriously want to know.

His career trajectory has gone from poor to mediocre which is consistent with most young QBs in the NFL. It stands to reason he could improve with a second year under a good coach. The phenom 22 year old quarterback lighting up the league is the exception and not the rule. People on this board are foaming at the mouth over Alex Smith who when comparing their first 4 years in the league he makes Bortles look like an all pro.

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Maybe we don't all feel the same way that you do.  And in reality, if the Jaguars like him it doesn't really matter.

That's my issue. Please explain why you are satisfied with mediocrity? That's my only real problem. I don't get it, at all. You obviously cannot argue that Bortles is a mediocre QB. The people see it, the stats show it, it's a verifiable fact. Why don't you want to try and upgrade. I seriously want to know.

And I seriously want to know why you and KupperY think he's so easily replaceable.  The fact that he's gotten as far as he has and has the utmost respect of his teammates says a hell of a lot to me.  

Cousins is overrated and is far from being worth the money he will demand.  I'm not going to pull up the ESPN article again that says that he's not viewed as anything special by a lot of NFL people.  

No thanks to Alex Smith.  What's he won?  

Then we get to draft choices which are next to impossible to truly evaluate due to all of the gimmicky NCAA offenses.  So what?  We take a flyer on another first-rounder where we could end up back in the same boat again?  Oh goody.

And then even if we win this game or the Super Bowl we should 'upgrade the position'?  Good grief.  

Do I want to bring in a developmental guy?  Yes.  Should we go hog-wild and try to replace him immediately?  Not a chance.

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That's my issue. Please explain why you are satisfied with mediocrity? That's my only real problem. I don't get it, at all. You obviously cannot argue that Bortles is a mediocre QB. The people see it, the stats show it, it's a verifiable fact. Why don't you want to try and upgrade. I seriously want to know.

I seriously want to know why you and Upper think he's so easily replaceable.  The fact that he's gotten as far as he has and has the utmost respect of his teammates says a hell of a lot to me.  

Cousins is overrated and is far from being worth the money he will demand.  I'm not going to pull up the ESPN article again that says that he's not viewed as anything special by a lot of NFL people.  

No thanks to Alex Smith.  What's he won?  

Then we get to draft choices which are next to impossible to truly evaluate due to all of the gimmicky NCAA offenses.  So what?  We take a flyer on another first-rounder where we could end up back in the same boat again?  Oh goody.

And then even if we win this game or the Super Bowl we should 'upgrade the position'?  Good grief.  

Do I want to bring in a developmental guy?  Yes.  Should we go hog-wild and try to replace him immediately?  Not a chance.

I mean... You don't think Alex Smith could have won the Bills game?

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I seriously want to know why you and Upper think he's so easily replaceable.  The fact that he's gotten as far as he has and has the utmost respect of his teammates says a hell of a lot to me.  

Cousins is overrated and is far from being worth the money he will demand.  I'm not going to pull up the ESPN article again that says that he's not viewed as anything special by a lot of NFL people.  

No thanks to Alex Smith.  What's he won?  

Then we get to draft choices which are next to impossible to truly evaluate due to all of the gimmicky NCAA offenses.  So what?  We take a flyer on another first-rounder where we could end up back in the same boat again?  Oh goody.

And then even if we win this game or the Super Bowl we should 'upgrade the position'?  Good grief.  

Do I want to bring in a developmental guy?  Yes.  Should we go hog-wild and try to replace him immediately?  Not a chance.

I mean... You don't think Alex Smith could have won the Bills game?

Did we win?

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I mean... You don't think Alex Smith could have won the Bills game?

Did we win?

I never said we didn't lol

But almost any QB in the league could have scored 6 points in that game which would have won them the game. 

I'm on board with Blake coming back next year. Get ARob back, get Mark Andrews and a full season of Westbrook? I love it. But Alex Smith is a good QB and I think he could have won the Bills game.

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Did we win?

I never said we didn't lol

But almost any QB in the league could have scored 6 points in that game which would have won them the game. 

I'm on board with Blake coming back next year. Get ARob back, get Mark Andrews and a full season of Westbrook? I love it. But Alex Smith is a good QB and I think he could have won the Bills game.

And you're going to have to trade for him.  No thanks.

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Did we win?

I never said we didn't lol

But almost any QB in the league could have scored 6 points in that game which would have won them the game. 

I'm on board with Blake coming back next year. Get ARob back, get Mark Andrews and a full season of Westbrook? I love it. But Alex Smith is a good QB and I think he could have won the Bills game.

Alex Smith actually played Buffalo this season, scored 10 points and lost the game with a much worse Total QBR and QB Rating than Bortles had. The Bills also held Matt Ryan to 17. Cam Newton to 9. Held the Colts to 7 and the Dolphins to 16 twice in wins. The big difference in those games was interceptions. Blake had no picks against Buffalo and with the Jags defense came out with a win. There is a different game plan from week to week. The Jags knew they had to put up points against Pittsburgh and came out swinging with the play action. Against Buffalo it was much more conservative and trying to limit mistakes and turnovers.

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You really have to dig deep cherry picking stats and specific seasons as Cousins not being the full time starter to make Blake's stats look better than Cousins'.  

You don't have to dig that deep.

Total QBR this season. Bortles 55.2 (12th). Kirk Cousins 52.0 (17th). Jared Goff 52.0 (16th). One QB excelled in the AFC Divisional game (highest Total QBR for a game of any QB in the playoffs) and the other 2 will be watching this weekend from their couches.

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That's my issue. Please explain why you are satisfied with mediocrity? That's my only real problem. I don't get it, at all. You obviously cannot argue that Bortles is a mediocre QB. The people see it, the stats show it, it's a verifiable fact. Why don't you want to try and upgrade. I seriously want to know.

His career trajectory has gone from poor to mediocre which is consistent with most young QBs in the NFL. It stands to reason he could improve with a second year under a good coach. The phenom 22 year old quarterback lighting up the league is the exception and not the rule. People on this board are foaming at the mouth over Alex Smith who when comparing their first 4 years in the league he makes Bortles look like an all pro.

Look how long it took Smith to get to this point. He's in his mid 30's and this coming season, he will be on his 3rd team, yet he appears to be peaking. We can't afford to wait that long on Bortles and neither did Smith's former team. Some QB's develop slow. Maybe Bortles will develop into a star QB someday, but it'll likely be at a snail's pace judging by what we've seen. This team is built to win now, so in the meantime while we're waiting, why not spend a high pick on a QB who may develop quicker and allow us to get where we wanna be at a faster pace? What is the drawback? We could easily still get a stud TE in round 2 and a major upgrade at OG in round 3.

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I never said we didn't lol

But almost any QB in the league could have scored 6 points in that game which would have won them the game. 

I'm on board with Blake coming back next year. Get ARob back, get Mark Andrews and a full season of Westbrook? I love it. But Alex Smith is a good QB and I think he could have won the Bills game.

And you're going to have to trade for him.  No thanks.

Ok. Great.

I don't wanna trade for him.

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The obvious drawback from developing a QB from the draft is that 4/5 don't develop into even a starter level quarterback. The only surefire solution to your "built to win now" problem that Bortles is somehow creating even as his team advances in the playoffs is to get one of about 8-10 established quarterbacks. Bortles is basically at a Kirk Cousins level now (ahead if you look at QBR). So basically you are left with Alex Smith or about 8 untouchables.

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I'd like to contribute, but between Spacecoast on one end and OL on the other, it's damn near impossible to rationally discuss anything

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

Maybe we don't all feel the same way that you do.  And in reality, if the Jaguars like him it doesn't really matter.

That's my issue. Please explain why you are satisfied with mediocrity? That's my only real problem. I don't get it, at all. You obviously cannot argue that Bortles is a mediocre QB. The people see it, the stats show it, it's a verifiable fact. Why don't you want to try and upgrade. I seriously want to know.

Because we are in the freakin A.F.C. title game! We have had 10 years of off seasons thinking about next year, enjoy the moment for Christ sake. FOUR TEAMS got to this point, and we happen to be one of FOUR!!!! My " only real problem" , is you calling that mediocre.

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His first four years are as good if not better than many of the "name' QBs out there today......three years of those were with gus for a coach.
PAY him....give him another 2~3 years with Coach Marrone & TC .
and let's let this dawg run.

The team is in the AFC Championship Game guys....where in the "Wide World of Sports" did you think we would be after pre season?

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Because Jaguars is our mantra 

His first four years are as good if not better than many of the "name' QBs out there today......three years of those were with gus for a coach.
PAY him....give him another 2~3 years with Coach Marrone & TC .
and let's let this dawg run.

The team is in the AFC Championship Game guys....where in the "Wide World of Sports" did you think we would be after pre season?

This is essentially how I feel

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

His first four years are as good if not better than many of the "name' QBs out there today......three years of those were with gus for a coach.
PAY him....give him another 2~3 years with Coach Marrone & TC .
and let's let this dawg run.

The team is in the AFC Championship Game guys....where in the "Wide World of Sports" did you think we would be after pre season?

This is essentially how I feel

Now you've done it...

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That's my issue. Please explain why you are satisfied with mediocrity? That's my only real problem. I don't get it, at all. You obviously cannot argue that Bortles is a mediocre QB. The people see it, the stats show it, it's a verifiable fact. Why don't you want to try and upgrade. I seriously want to know.

And I seriously want to know why you and KupperY think he's so easily replaceable.  The fact that he's gotten as far as he has and has the utmost respect of his teammates says a hell of a lot to me.  

Cousins is overrated and is far from being worth the money he will demand.  I'm not going to pull up the ESPN article again that says that he's not viewed as anything special by a lot of NFL people.  

No thanks to Alex Smith.  What's he won?  

Then we get to draft choices which are next to impossible to truly evaluate due to all of the gimmicky NCAA offenses.  So what?  We take a flyer on another first-rounder where we could end up back in the same boat again?  Oh goody.

And then even if we win this game or the Super Bowl we should 'upgrade the position'?  Good grief.  

Do I want to bring in a developmental guy?  Yes.  Should we go hog-wild and try to replace him immediately?  Not a chance.

I think it's easier to replace mediocrity, than it is to replace an outgoing star, because the bar is set lower. Our QB bar here in Jacksonville is not that high. I'm not saying it'll be easy to try and find a replacement, I'm just saying we have to try. No team ever gets better by settling. 

I have been pretty vocal about my opposition to signing Cousins. Like you say, he's not special and he'd cost us a fortune. Alex Smith is showing that he's a good QB, when they actually get him a decent deep threat and let him throw the ball (this year), but the guy is in his mid 30's. To me, it would be a waste of a high draft pick (the cost it would take to get Smith), just to have him as a starter for a couple of years. 

The draft is the place to get a QB. Why is taking a QB in round 1, more risky to you than taking a TE in the same spot? I don't get it. The draft is a crapshoot, no matter which positional player you take. There are no guarantees. You just have to trust what you see. Personally, I see 3 of the most accurate rookie passers I've seen in years (Rosen, Mayfield and Rudolph). To me, accuracy is the #1 factor in selecting a QB. I want a guy who has the ability to place the football where only his WR can get it. I see that in these 3 guys. I don't see it consistently in any other QB in this draft. Darnold flashes it at times, but then he gets wildly inaccurate at other times. There are no developmental QB's in this draft either. Drafting a QB in round 3 on, would truly be a waste of a pick. I've seen almost every eligible QB in this draft (with the exception of some small school guys) and this draft is top heavy with the quality going straight off a cliff after round 1, possibly round 2 depending on who falls. 

Drafting a QB early does not mean we immediately replace Bortles. It means we are actively trying to bring in viable competition for him. Getting a "developmental guy" in the mid rounds is not viable competition. It's burning a draft pick on a guy who's ceiling may be the same as Chad Henne's was. What does that accomplish?

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That's my issue. Please explain why you are satisfied with mediocrity? That's my only real problem. I don't get it, at all. You obviously cannot argue that Bortles is a mediocre QB. The people see it, the stats show it, it's a verifiable fact. Why don't you want to try and upgrade. I seriously want to know.

Because we are in the freakin A.F.C. title game! We have had 10 years of off seasons thinking about next year, enjoy the moment for Christ sake. FOUR TEAMS got to this point, and we happen to be one of FOUR!!!! My " only real problem" , is you calling that mediocre.

I never, ever called the season mediocre. Get it right. I'm calling one starter on our team mediocre, because the stats and his performances on the field, prove he is mediocre. Luckily, to this point, we've had an elite defense which has been able to cover up for his faults. Thank God! Yes, he performed well last week and I'll admit that as I have said before, but he's been wildly inconsistent throughout his career. I just want to bring in competition that might prove to be more consistent at the QB position, so we don't have to rely on our defense to bail us out so often. Is that so wrong?

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And I seriously want to know why you and KupperY think he's so easily replaceable.  The fact that he's gotten as far as he has and has the utmost respect of his teammates says a hell of a lot to me.  

Cousins is overrated and is far from being worth the money he will demand.  I'm not going to pull up the ESPN article again that says that he's not viewed as anything special by a lot of NFL people.  

No thanks to Alex Smith.  What's he won?  

Then we get to draft choices which are next to impossible to truly evaluate due to all of the gimmicky NCAA offenses.  So what?  We take a flyer on another first-rounder where we could end up back in the same boat again?  Oh goody.

And then even if we win this game or the Super Bowl we should 'upgrade the position'?  Good grief.  

Do I want to bring in a developmental guy?  Yes.  Should we go hog-wild and try to replace him immediately?  Not a chance.

I think it's easier to replace mediocrity, than it is to replace an outgoing star, because the bar is set lower. Our QB bar here in Jacksonville is not that high. I'm not saying it'll be easy to try and find a replacement, I'm just saying we have to try. No team ever gets better by settling. 

I have been pretty vocal about my opposition to signing Cousins. Like you say, he's not special and he'd cost us a fortune. Alex Smith is showing that he's a good QB, when they actually get him a decent deep threat and let him throw the ball (this year), but the guy is in his mid 30's. To me, it would be a waste of a high draft pick (the cost it would take to get Smith), just to have him as a starter for a couple of years. 

The draft is the place to get a QB. Why is taking a QB in round 1, more risky to you than taking a TE in the same spot? I don't get it. The draft is a crapshoot, no matter which positional player you take. There are no guarantees. You just have to trust what you see. Personally, I see 3 of the most accurate rookie passers I've seen in years (Rosen, Mayfield and Rudolph). To me, accuracy is the #1 factor in selecting a QB. I want a guy who has the ability to place the football where only his WR can get it. I see that in these 3 guys. I don't see it consistently in any other QB in this draft. Darnold flashes it at times, but then he gets wildly inaccurate at other times. There are no developmental QB's in this draft either. Drafting a QB in round 3 on, would truly be a waste of a pick. I've seen almost every eligible QB in this draft (with the exception of some small school guys) and this draft is top heavy with the quality going straight off a cliff after round 1, possibly round 2 depending on who falls. 

Drafting a QB early does not mean we immediately replace Bortles. It means we are actively trying to bring in viable competition for him. Getting a "developmental guy" in the mid rounds is not viable competition. It's burning a draft pick on a guy who's ceiling may be the same as Chad Henne's was. What does that accomplish?

That's a lot of words to say the exact same thing that you've been saying.  I hope you're not trying to convince me of anything.

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Because we are in the freakin A.F.C. title game! We have had 10 years of off seasons thinking about next year, enjoy the moment for Christ sake. FOUR TEAMS got to this point, and we happen to be one of FOUR!!!! My " only real problem" , is you calling that mediocre.

I never, ever called the season mediocre. Get it right. I'm calling one starter on our team mediocre, because the stats and his performances on the field, prove he is mediocre. Luckily, to this point, we've had an elite defense which has been able to cover up for his faults. Thank God! Yes, he performed well last week and I'll admit that as I have said before, but he's been wildly inconsistent throughout his career. I just want to bring in competition that might prove to be more consistent at the QB position, so we don't have to rely on our defense to bail us out so often. Is that so wrong?

He has been inconsistent,  but signs look to be moving in the right direction.  And it was him that saved the defense in the fourth quarter Sunday, not the running game, like it or not,  BLAKE BORTLES saved the win for us!!

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