Calais Campbell and the Jaguars defense would disagree.

Calais Campbell had 14.5 sacks this year. If came in with his big money contract and produced on a level like Jared Odrick no one would be talking about his leadership skills.

Or his leadership skills raised the level of play of his young teammates, which allowed him to have the best year of his career. Something that didn't happen when Jared Odrick came in.

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Calais Campbell had 14.5 sacks this year. If came in with his big money contract and produced on a level like Jared Odrick no one would be talking about his leadership skills.

Or his leadership skills raised the level of play of his young teammates, which allowed him to have the best year of his career. Something that didn't happen when Jared Odrick came in.

Ramsey was a great player without Campbell, so was Bouye, and Smith, and Ngakoue, and a few other on defense as well. What raised their performance even more was the level of play Campbell produced, he was the missing piece in a great defense because he's an very good player. Not because he was a very good leader.

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Or his leadership skills raised the level of play of his young teammates, which allowed him to have the best year of his career. Something that didn't happen when Jared Odrick came in.

Ramsey was a great player without Campbell, so was Bouye, and Smith, and Ngakoue, and a few other on defense as well. What raised their performance even more was the level of play Campbell produced, he was the missing piece in a great defense because he's an very good player. Not because he was a very good leader.

One could argue being a great leader contributes heavily to being a great player. I think it is naive to think Calais' leadership had no impact on the Jaguars excelling this year.

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Alex Smith and Eli Manning. Alex Smith and Eli Manning. Alex Smith and Eli Manning. We get it guys there were two outlier QBs who got a lot better after 4 years into the league. What about the other hundreds and hundreds of QBs? The adage is a QB is what he is after 50 starts is a saying for a reason. Blake might be an Alex Smith or an Eli Manning, but the odds are far more likely that he is what he is.

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Alex Smith and Eli Manning. Alex Smith and Eli Manning. Alex Smith and Eli Manning. We get it guys there were two outlier QBs who got a lot better after 4 years into the league. What about the other hundreds and hundreds of QBs? The adage is a QB is what he is after 50 starts is a saying for a reason. Blake might be an Alex Smith or an Eli Manning, but the odds are far more likely that he is what he is.

This same argument was used for a reason to keep Bradley. "Look at Belicheck and Chuck Knoll!"

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Alex Smith and Eli Manning. Alex Smith and Eli Manning. Alex Smith and Eli Manning. We get it guys there were two outlier QBs who got a lot better after 4 years into the league. What about the other hundreds and hundreds of QBs? The adage is a QB is what he is after 50 starts is a saying for a reason. Blake might be an Alex Smith or an Eli Manning, but the odds are far more likely that he is what he is.

Drew Brees was pretty terrible his first 4 seasons (79:53 TD:INT). McNabb had a similarly slow start (87:49). Favre was 108:64. Flacco 80:46, Stafford, 109:63.

Blake Bortles: 90:64 in 61 starts.

It's not definitive or anything, but its not only Eli and Alex Smith

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You know it is so tempting to throw out the Gus years. Last year was the first year where the play on the field was relevant. I found my self excited by much of what I watched this year. Honestly we had 3 regular season games and 2 out of 3 post season games to get a positive impression from BB5. Honestly I think he is capable of doing what the coaches ask and that is going to cause us to potential miss an upgrade.

I'll support the team no matter what but I really hope they do the hard work and get us set to have a good follow up next year.

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The Khan Years

Patience, Persistence, and Piss Poor General Managers.

Alex Smith and Eli Manning. Alex Smith and Eli Manning. Alex Smith and Eli Manning. We get it guys there were two outlier QBs who got a lot better after 4 years into the league. What about the other hundreds and hundreds of QBs? The adage is a QB is what he is after 50 starts is a saying for a reason. Blake might be an Alex Smith or an Eli Manning, but the odds are far more likely that he is what he is.

Drew Brees was pretty terrible his first 4 seasons (79:53 TD:INT). McNabb had a similarly slow start (87:49). Favre was 108:64. Flacco 80:46, Stafford, 109:63.

Blake Bortles: 90:64 in 61 starts.

It's not definitive or anything, but its not only Eli and Alex Smith

C'mon you know you can't compare TD:INT amongst eras. Even in McNabb and Favre's era. They were both far better compared their peers before their 4th seasons than Blake has been.

And you completely lose me with Brees. He had a good rookie year, a slightly down hurt 2nd year, and then right into an MVP caliber 3rd season.

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Brees and Rivers are amazing outliers in the grand scheme of the QB position. Honestly when you look at their mechanics and passes it is amazing they are as productive as they are.

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The Khan Years

Patience, Persistence, and Piss Poor General Managers.

Drew Brees was pretty terrible his first 4 seasons (79:53 TD:INT). McNabb had a similarly slow start (87:49). Favre was 108:64. Flacco 80:46, Stafford, 109:63.

Blake Bortles: 90:64 in 61 starts.

It's not definitive or anything, but its not only Eli and Alex Smith

C'mon you know you can't compare TD:INT amongst eras. Even in McNabb and Favre's era. They were both far better compared their peers before their 4th seasons than Blake has been.

And you completely lose me with Brees. He had a good rookie year, a slightly down hurt 2nd year, and then right into an MVP caliber 3rd season.

"Eras". This isn't baseball...
Are we talking about the same Drew Brees? A good rookie year of 17:16 TD:INT? MVP Caliber 27:7? (Followed by more than doubling his INTs and a dip in TDs the next year)

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Brees and Rivers are amazing outliers in the grand scheme of the QB position.  Honestly when you look at their mechanics and passes it is amazing they are as productive as they are.

So Brees, Rivers, Smith, and Eli are all outliers? That's a lot of outliers

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Yikes I shouldn't have bothered, sorry. Carry on.

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Yikes I shouldn't have bothered, sorry. Carry on.

Okaaaayyyyyyy then

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Calais Campbell and the Jaguars defense would disagree.

Calais Campbell had 14.5 sacks this year. If came in with his big money contract and produced on a level like Jared Odrick no one would be talking about his leadership skills.

Yeah, right.  They were talking about his leadership skills long before the season started.  But you keep pretending like you know better.

Pretending, being the key phrase.

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Calais Campbell had 14.5 sacks this year. If came in with his big money contract and produced on a level like Jared Odrick no one would be talking about his leadership skills.

Yeah, right.  They were talking about his leadership skills long before the season started.  But you keep pretending like you know better.

Pretending, being the key phrase.

You know what leadership without any other relevant skills gets you? Four years of Gus Bradley. Bradley was a terrible head coach but because he was a good leader he got everyone to buy into a philosophy that doomed the team to the basement of the NFL. Remember all those interviews about how great a guy Bradley was and how players were buying into the "just get better" idea? A player or coach can produce great results without being a great leader but it doesn't work the other way around.

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Yeah, right.  They were talking about his leadership skills long before the season started.  But you keep pretending like you know better.

Pretending, being the key phrase.

You know what leadership without any other relevant skills gets you? Four years of Gus Bradley. Bradley was a terrible head coach but because he was a good leader he got everyone to buy into a philosophy that doomed the team to the basement of the NFL. Remember all those interviews about how great a guy Bradley was and how players were buying into the "just get better" idea? A player or coach can produce great results without being a great leader but it doesn't work the other way around.

Good leaders know when and how to adapt their knowledge to the circumstances. Bradley was not a good leader by any stretch of the imagination.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

You know what leadership without any other relevant skills gets you? Four years of Gus Bradley. Bradley was a terrible head coach but because he was a good leader he got everyone to buy into a philosophy that doomed the team to the basement of the NFL. Remember all those interviews about how great a guy Bradley was and how players were buying into the "just get better" idea? A player or coach can produce great results without being a great leader but it doesn't work the other way around.

Good leaders know when and how to adapt their knowledge to the circumstances. Bradley was not a good leader by any stretch of the imagination.

What you're describing there is called game planning and it's what Bradley sucked most at.

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Yikes I shouldn't have bothered, sorry. Carry on.

Okaaaayyyyyyy then

https://www.footballdb.com/leaders/caree...tdintratio

Ok fine, look at this list and tell me it's not silly to compare TD:INT between eras. Bortles is among the worst of the active QBs in it, and he is still top 50 all time. Steve Young is the only one in the top dozen that wasn't active within the last 3 years. All timers like Dalton, Flacco, Tannehill, Jameis, and Schaub are in the top 40 all time. It's simply the worst stat to try to use to compare players between eras.

Look at this quote from footballperspective: "Consider this: just ten quarterbacks in NFL history have a career TD/INT ratio better than the 2015 league average! Those quarterbacks are Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Steve Young, Peyton Manning, Tony Romo, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, Donovan McNabb, and Joe Montana." Literally from every QB who ever played only Steve Young, Joe Montana, and Donovan McNabb were retired QBs better than the 2015 league average in TD:INT.

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Good leaders know when and how to adapt their knowledge to the circumstances. Bradley was not a good leader by any stretch of the imagination.

What you're describing there is called game planning and it's what Bradley sucked most at.

Stop, Bradley was awful at pretty much everything.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Yeah, right.  They were talking about his leadership skills long before the season started.  But you keep pretending like you know better.

Pretending, being the key phrase.

You know what leadership without any other relevant skills gets you? Four years of Gus Bradley. Bradley was a terrible head coach but because he was a good leader he got everyone to buy into a philosophy that doomed the team to the basement of the NFL. Remember all those interviews about how great a guy Bradley was and how players were buying into the "just get better" idea? A player or coach can produce great results without being a great leader but it doesn't work the other way around.

Bradley a good leader?  No.   Bradley was a good friend, not leader!

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Yea, Bradley didn't have the chutzpah to lead anyone to anything except ping pong tables and ice cream sundaes.

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