Shad could send bombers to London to blow up the whole city and within days some writer would speculate that it was because he actually wanted to move the team to Paris, as he was seen there 15 years ago.

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Is it possible Shad told his international business associates something different than he told the Podunk fans here?
This article indicates he did exactly that.

The NFL sure seems to be making plans for "some" team to move to London. I wonder which one? A team with a long, rich NFL history? Of course not.
Do you think they'll just wait for the next team with "stadium issues" and stick them in London? Of course not.

Maybe they will stealthily and incrementally make it happen with a certain small-market team who plays 1 or 2 games in London every year, is actively building a fanbase there, has opened a permanent office in London, and who has a certain owner trying to buy a certain historic London stadium, etc.

The NFL director of international affairs has suggested the London team would have an American HQ somewhere in the southeast USA.
Hmmm...I'm starting to narrow it down. Panthers? No, they are one of the 6 teams that has never played there. I'll figure it out eventually.

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My biggest concern regarding this thread is that it was suggested as though Fulham are a Champions League team..

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80% of what I talk about is nonesense.. the other 25% is made up statistics...


 

I’ve done some quick searches for this statement but mainly get references to articles from April when Khan initially made the bid.

Is it possible Shad told his international business associates something different than he told the Podunk fans here?
This article indicates he did exactly that.

The NFL sure seems to be making plans for "some" team to move to London.  I wonder which one?  A team with a long, rich NFL history?  Of course not.
Do you think they'll just wait for the next team with "stadium issues" and stick them in London?  Of course not.

Maybe they will stealthily and incrementally make it happen with a certain small-market team who plays 1 or 2 games in London every year, is actively building a fanbase there, has opened a permanent office in London, and who has a certain owner trying to buy a certain historic London stadium, etc.

The NFL director of international affairs has suggested the London team would have an American HQ somewhere in the southeast USA.  
Hmmm...I'm starting to narrow it down.  Panthers?  No, they are one of the 6 teams that has never played there.  I'll figure it out eventually.

Why you always trolling on this site like you intentionally trying to be a jerk? You been doing this for the last 11 years on the Jaguars message board and for once just act your age.

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Looking through the list of kickoff times in Eastern Time Vs UK time:

1pm = 6pm UK
4.05pm = 9.05pm UK
4.25pm = 9.25pm UK
7.10pm = 12.10am UK
8.20pm = 1.20am UK
10.20pm = 3.20am UK

Say for example an (unnamed) NFL franchise decided to move to the UK and became successful on the field, surely the NFL would want them to play primetime games? With the locality of Wembley Stadium and the length of the games, this would mean they would be unable to play a HOME game in London based upon primetime US times.. I mean, there are few direct trains to the Wembley/Brent area from outside of London. I know, travelling from the south, that I would have to travel to Central London then on to Wembley which is the best part of an hour on top of the commute to London itself. Sure, you can drive, but I know I wouldn't want to pay the £20-30 to park for EVERY home game.. nor would I want to pay the £30+ to get the train to EVERY home game when you take into account the cost of season tickets too..

The timings are the same reason for why Wembley logistically can't host a Super Bowl. Kick off time is usually, what? 8pm (ish) ET?.. That would be 1am UK time. To my knowledge, Wembley has a noise curfew of 10.30pm. This would mean that any game being held at Wembley would result in a Kick Off time of 6pm UK time "just in case" at the latest.. This would be 1pm ET and 10am PST.. I'm not too sure the Western based fans would be too keen on watching Super Bowl Sunday over breakfast?

If you combine these facts with the last DIRECT trains out of Central London on Sunday's being sporadic, this means that fans attending games would be inclined to pay for hotel rooms which are inflated when there's an "event" in London.

So not only do the NFL have substantial logistical stumbling blocks from the team moving.. but they also have them with any potential team arriving.

Lastly. Wembley is the National Stadium. White Hart Lane is Tottenham Hotspur's Stadium. Suggesting that an NFL Franchise can just move into either on a permanent basis is not really feasible. Especially with the fact that the NFL season coincides with the soccer season over here. If a franchise moved over here and requested having their own stadium/training facilities etc, where would they find the room in London for that? Would that mean a further move for that franchise outside of the Greater London area. These are questions that would require exceptionally good answers for the idea to become a reality.

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80% of what I talk about is nonesense.. the other 25% is made up statistics...


 

Why you always trolling on this site like you intentionally trying to be a jerk? You been doing this for the last 11 years on the Jaguars message board and for once just act your age.

Wikipedia is trolling you.
Wikipedia is intentionally trying to be a jerk.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potential_..._franchise

Current Jaguars owner Shahid Khan is himself based in London.

On March 27, 2017, it was reported by City A.M. that the Jaguars are in discussion to build a permanent training facility near Wembley Stadium. If done, the team would be the first NFL franchise to have a training facility built outside of the U.S.

The fact that the Jacksonville Jaguars have a short term lease on its stadium is also often used to support media speculation that the franchise may be the one to relocate to London.

According to The Guardian, as of 2015 it was "well-known" that a London franchise was a goal of the NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, although "he tends to avoid specifics on the process to make that happen". The NFL's Executive Vice President International Mark Waller is more specific, expressing the goal as "to build a fanbase that would be able to support a franchise"

Expansion Franchise:

According to CBS however, as of 2012 the club owners were generally satisfied with the league's 32 team model, and would prefer a relocation.
CBS also argued that expansion teams generally struggle "for quite some time", suggesting a relocated team would be the better option from the standpoint of competitiveness.

It has been speculated that the current (2012) US market was saturated, and so it was unlikely that an expansion team within the US would generate the NFL's desired growth without a fundamental change in their funding model, such as the introduction of pay-per-view TV, which was also seen as unlikely since the league's current broadcasting contracts run to 2022

Target Date:

Reporting on unnamed sources who attended a 2012 meeting of the NFL's International Committee, CBS stated that while league/owner discussions of a possible London team had previously generally been regarded as a "more a far-off concept than near-term possibility", the mood had now palpably shifted to one of "when, not if", with the NFL planning for a London team within 10 years, earlier than some team owners had anticipated. It was believed that because other issues such as the CBA renegotiation had been resolved, creating a London franchise was now being treated as a focal point of the NFL's desire to expand globally.

Speaking in 2015, Mark Waller firmed up this view, explaining "[The NFL] have always said that we felt that we started in 2007 with the [International Series] games and we felt it was a 15 year process so that would give us years ’21, ’22 and that feels sort of right – five or six years." By the start of 2016 he was even more confident, stating "I think we're on track to deliver [a franchise by 2022]. I fundamentally believe we will deliver that". He has also said he would feel he would have personally failed in his role if it does not happen by 2022. Waller is clear however that there is no specific timetable, and it would only happen "when we're ready" and there was real certainty everything needed was in place.

In both 2014 and 2015 the Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osbourne confirmed he was in talks with the NFL over the arrangements for setting up a London franchise, and that it could be achieved "in the next few years, maybe four or five years time."  The 2022 timeline was still on target as of September 2017, with the league noting that the groundwork in London was ready for such a team, and that the 2022 date was chosen because it coincided with the league's collective bargaining agreement and television contracts expiring.

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Khan can move the Jaguars at any time. It appears he does not have enough move votes harvested at this time. He can still move without approval. With all the revenue streaming in from owning Wembley arena, Khan is able to off-set any extrication expenses.

England is doing everything within their power to capture an NFL franchise for display. A lot of Roman blood mingling with the Viking vandals.  They've always had a taste for the gladiator games. 

It's not so much that they care about American football, it's the sense they have conquered a big piece of Americana. From there they will continue to de-construct the NFL until there's nothing left. At that point, soccer will fill the void, and America will return to colony status under a crown head.

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Khan can move the Jaguars at any time. It appears he does not have enough move votes harvested at this time. He can still move without approval. With all the revenue streaming in from owning Wembley arena, Khan is able to off-set any extrication expenses.

England is doing everything within their power to capture an NFL franchise for display. A lot of Roman blood mingling with the Viking vandals.  They've always had a taste for the gladiator games. 

It's not so much that they care about American football, it's the sense they have conquered a big piece of Americana. From there they will continue to de-construct the NFL until there's nothing left. At that point, soccer will fill the void, and America will return to colony status under a crown head.

Please do your homework next time before you post on the topic that's above your paygrade.

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Khan can move the Jaguars at any time. It appears he does not have enough move votes harvested at this time. He can still move without approval. With all the revenue streaming in from owning Wembley arena, Khan is able to off-set any extrication expenses.

England is doing everything within their power to capture an NFL franchise for display. A lot of Roman blood mingling with the Viking vandals.  They've always had a taste for the gladiator games. 

It's not so much that they care about American football, it's the sense they have conquered a big piece of Americana. From there they will continue to de-construct the NFL until there's nothing left. At that point, soccer will fill the void, and America will return to colony status under a crown head.

Finally, someone has figured it all out. JUNGLE CAT for president (while there’s still time to hold national elections, of course).

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It's not so much that they care about American football, it's the sense they have conquered a big piece of Americana. From there they will continue to de-construct the NFL until there's nothing left. At that point, soccer will fill the void, and America will return to colony status under a crown head.

It's been a long time since a read this much bull crap!

Some of us have been following the game for over 20 years now, it's like soccer over there - some like it and some don't. The number that like it is growing and the league sees a possible chance to expand it's reach.

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Khan can move the Jaguars at any time. It appears he does not have enough move votes harvested at this time. He can still move without approval. With all the revenue streaming in from owning Wembley arena, Khan is able to off-set any extrication expenses.

England is doing everything within their power to capture an NFL franchise for display. A lot of Roman blood mingling with the Viking vandals.  They've always had a taste for the gladiator games. 

It's not so much that they care about American football, it's the sense they have conquered a big piece of Americana. From there they will continue to de-construct the NFL until there's nothing left. At that point, soccer will fill the void, and America will return to colony status under a crown head.

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My biggest concern regarding this thread is that it was suggested as though Fulham are a Champions League team..

Lol. Watch Fulham go Leicester city 2015 on the league this year.

Looking through the list of kickoff times in Eastern Time Vs UK time:

1pm = 6pm UK
4.05pm = 9.05pm UK
4.25pm = 9.25pm UK
7.10pm = 12.10am UK
8.20pm = 1.20am UK
10.20pm = 3.20am UK

Say for example an (unnamed) NFL franchise decided to move to the UK and became successful on the field, surely the NFL would want them to play primetime games? With the locality of Wembley Stadium and the length of the games, this would mean they would be unable to play a HOME game in London based upon primetime US times.. I mean, there are few direct trains to the Wembley/Brent area from outside of London. I know, travelling from the south, that I would have to travel to Central London then on to Wembley which is the best part of an hour on top of the commute to London itself. Sure, you can drive, but I know I wouldn't want to pay the £20-30 to park for EVERY home game.. nor would I want to pay the £30+ to get the train to EVERY home game when you take into account the cost of season tickets too..

The timings are the same reason for why Wembley logistically can't host a Super Bowl. Kick off time is usually, what? 8pm (ish) ET?.. That would be 1am UK time. To my knowledge, Wembley has a noise curfew of 10.30pm. This would mean that any game being held at Wembley would result in a Kick Off time of 6pm UK time "just in case" at the latest.. This would be 1pm ET and 10am PST.. I'm not too sure the Western based fans would be too keen on watching Super Bowl Sunday over breakfast?

If you combine these facts with the last DIRECT trains out of Central London on Sunday's being sporadic, this means that fans attending games would be inclined to pay for hotel rooms which are inflated when there's an "event" in London.

So not only do the NFL have substantial logistical stumbling blocks from the team moving.. but they also have them with any potential team arriving.

Lastly. Wembley is the National Stadium. White Hart Lane is Tottenham Hotspur's Stadium. Suggesting that an NFL Franchise can just move into either on a permanent basis is not really feasible. Especially with the fact that the NFL season coincides with the soccer season over here. If a franchise moved over here and requested having their own stadium/training facilities etc, where would they find the room in London for that? Would that mean a further move for that franchise outside of the Greater London area. These are questions that would require exceptionally good answers for the idea to become a reality.

After the hangover I had from the last Super Bowl party I attended last year, breakfast super bowl doesn't sound soo bad. As for the logistic feats you are talking, you can't let these facts get in the way of a good smear narrative. Of course is seems next to impossible to have term like Seattle or the three teams in cali travel 8 thousand miles to play a game in a durasticly different time zone. Or the simple fact that any division this London franchise would be apart of would have 5x the travel of any other NFL divisional team just over the course of the divisional season. I personally think that a permanent team in London would end up struggling after 1 season. I think fans will crowd a stadium for 3-4 games a year especially when you get a variety of match ups from different teams. but doing it for a 8 game stretch every year? Not mention the realistic probably that they could get a terrible team that goes on a decade long sub.500 stretch. Do you really think they are going to pack wembly to see their home team get slaughtered by double digits from every opponent they face? Sure it looks good on paper a supplemental form of income, 1 game a year for a small market team. But I think there are a few variable being left out when people talk about a permanent move.

I think the only thing that hasn't helped our team is our own marketing department. Yes, they built a lot here and have made it known they have plans for expansion around the stadium. But I can't help but think they dropped the ball on reassuring the local everyday fan that there is no possible way we move. I mean they did have a 10 min segment of our "state of the franchise" devoted solely to London crap. Then our owner buys one of the biggest grounds in London and does little(actually nothing) to shoot down rumors that are bound to swirl after the purchase. I don't think it is intended, but they do leave the conspiracy theorists a bit of ammunition.

Khan can move the Jaguars at any time. It appears he does not have enough move votes harvested at this time. He can still move without approval. With all the revenue streaming in from owning Wembley arena, Khan is able to off-set any extrication expenses.

England is doing everything within their power to capture an NFL franchise for display. A lot of Roman blood mingling with the Viking vandals.  They've always had a taste for the gladiator games. 

It's not so much that they care about American football, it's the sense they have conquered a big piece of Americana. From there they will continue to de-construct the NFL until there's nothing left. At that point, soccer will fill the void, and America will return to colony status under a crown head.

Finally, someone has figured it all out. JUNGLE CAT for president (while there’s still time to hold national elections, of course).

Lmbo. My thoughts exactly.

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My biggest concern regarding this thread is that it was suggested as though Fulham are a Champions League team..

Lol. Watch Fulham go Leicester city 2015 on the league this year.

Looking through the list of kickoff times in Eastern Time Vs UK time:

1pm = 6pm UK
4.05pm = 9.05pm UK
4.25pm = 9.25pm UK
7.10pm = 12.10am UK
8.20pm = 1.20am UK
10.20pm = 3.20am UK

Say for example an (unnamed) NFL franchise decided to move to the UK and became successful on the field, surely the NFL would want them to play primetime games? With the locality of Wembley Stadium and the length of the games, this would mean they would be unable to play a HOME game in London based upon primetime US times.. I mean, there are few direct trains to the Wembley/Brent area from outside of London. I know, travelling from the south, that I would have to travel to Central London then on to Wembley which is the best part of an hour on top of the commute to London itself. Sure, you can drive, but I know I wouldn't want to pay the £20-30 to park for EVERY home game.. nor would I want to pay the £30+ to get the train to EVERY home game when you take into account the cost of season tickets too..

The timings are the same reason for why Wembley logistically can't host a Super Bowl. Kick off time is usually, what? 8pm (ish) ET?.. That would be 1am UK time. To my knowledge, Wembley has a noise curfew of 10.30pm. This would mean that any game being held at Wembley would result in a Kick Off time of 6pm UK time "just in case" at the latest.. This would be 1pm ET and 10am PST.. I'm not too sure the Western based fans would be too keen on watching Super Bowl Sunday over breakfast?

If you combine these facts with the last DIRECT trains out of Central London on Sunday's being sporadic, this means that fans attending games would be inclined to pay for hotel rooms which are inflated when there's an "event" in London.

So not only do the NFL have substantial logistical stumbling blocks from the team moving.. but they also have them with any potential team arriving.

Lastly. Wembley is the National Stadium. White Hart Lane is Tottenham Hotspur's Stadium. Suggesting that an NFL Franchise can just move into either on a permanent basis is not really feasible. Especially with the fact that the NFL season coincides with the soccer season over here. If a franchise moved over here and requested having their own stadium/training facilities etc, where would they find the room in London for that? Would that mean a further move for that franchise outside of the Greater London area. These are questions that would require exceptionally good answers for the idea to become a reality.

After the hangover I had from the last Super Bowl party I attended last year, breakfast super bowl doesn't  sound soo bad. As for the logistic feats you are talking, you can't let these facts get in the way of a good smear narrative. Of course is seems next to impossible to have term like Seattle or the three teams in cali travel 8 thousand miles to play a game in a durasticly different time zone. Or the simple fact that any division this London franchise would be apart of would have 5x the travel of any other NFL divisional team just over the course of the divisional season. I personally think that a permanent team in London would end up struggling after 1 season. I think fans will crowd a stadium for 3-4 games a year  especially when you get a variety of match ups from different teams. but doing it for a 8 game stretch every year? Not mention the realistic probably that they could get a terrible team that goes on a decade long sub.500 stretch. Do you really think they are going to pack wembly to see their home team get slaughtered by double digits from every opponent they face? Sure it looks good on paper a supplemental form of income, 1 game a year for a small market team. But I think there are a few variable being left out when people talk about a permanent move.

I think the only thing that hasn't helped our team is our own marketing department. Yes, they built a lot here and have made it known they have  plans for expansion around the stadium. But I can't help but think they dropped the ball on reassuring the local everyday fan that there is no possible way we move. I mean they did have a 10 min segment of our "state of the franchise" devoted solely to London crap. Then our owner buys one of the biggest grounds in London and does little(actually nothing) to shoot down rumors that are bound to swirl after the purchase.  I don't think it is intended, but they do leave the conspiracy theorists a bit of ammunition.

Finally, someone has figured it all out. JUNGLE CAT for president (while there’s still time to hold national elections, of course).

Lmbo. My thoughts exactly.

Well exactly..

Also, Shad hasn't actually bought Wembley.. He's shown interest in buying Wembley. I believe that the FA aren't keen on the sale, and rightly so.. it's the national stadium.

The thing is, the facts stated in my post alone would be enough stumbling blocks to stop a permanent move or expansion team.. when you add in the distances needed to be travelled, that creates more issues. But you're absolutely right, why let facts get in the way of a good story.

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80% of what I talk about is nonesense.. the other 25% is made up statistics...


 

Lol. Watch Fulham go Leicester city 2015 on the league this year.

After the hangover I had from the last Super Bowl party I attended last year, breakfast super bowl doesn't  sound soo bad. As for the logistic feats you are talking, you can't let these facts get in the way of a good smear narrative. Of course is seems next to impossible to have term like Seattle or the three teams in cali travel 8 thousand miles to play a game in a durasticly different time zone. Or the simple fact that any division this London franchise would be apart of would have 5x the travel of any other NFL divisional team just over the course of the divisional season. I personally think that a permanent team in London would end up struggling after 1 season. I think fans will crowd a stadium for 3-4 games a year  especially when you get a variety of match ups from different teams. but doing it for a 8 game stretch every year? Not mention the realistic probably that they could get a terrible team that goes on a decade long sub.500 stretch. Do you really think they are going to pack wembly to see their home team get slaughtered by double digits from every opponent they face? Sure it looks good on paper a supplemental form of income, 1 game a year for a small market team. But I think there are a few variable being left out when people talk about a permanent move.

I think the only thing that hasn't helped our team is our own marketing department. Yes, they built a lot here and have made it known they have  plans for expansion around the stadium. But I can't help but think they dropped the ball on reassuring the local everyday fan that there is no possible way we move. I mean they did have a 10 min segment of our "state of the franchise" devoted solely to London crap. Then our owner buys one of the biggest grounds in London and does little(actually nothing) to shoot down rumors that are bound to swirl after the purchase.  I don't think it is intended, but they do leave the conspiracy theorists a bit of ammunition.
Lmbo. My thoughts exactly.

Well exactly..

Also, Shad hasn't actually bought Wembley.. He's shown interest in buying Wembley. I believe that the FA aren't keen on the sale, and rightly so.. it's the national stadium.

The thing is, the facts stated in my post alone would be enough stumbling blocks to stop a permanent move or expansion team.. when you add in the distances needed to be travelled, that creates more issues. But you're absolutely right, why let facts get in the way of a good story.

That is actually funny to me. If you read most sites that talk about the subject, You can't help but get the impression he already bought the place. I was even reading one where they were saying he has met with the owner of Chelsea to hash out a rental deal for them during their stadium rebuild lol. 

Speculation being regurgitated as fact is way too common LMBO.

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I was even reading one where they were saying he has met with the owner of Chelsea to hash out a rental deal for them during their stadium rebuild lol. 

This is even better as the owner of Chelsea hasn't been in the country for couple of months as there have been delays with his UK Visa, so much so that he has had to take Israeli citizenship to get their passport to be able to enter the UK Visa free. As a result he's pulling the plug on the Stamford Bridge redevelopment due to throwing his toys out the pram with the UK authorities.

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I was even reading one where they were saying he has met with the owner of Chelsea to hash out a rental deal for them during their stadium rebuild lol. 

This is even better as the owner of Chelsea hasn't been in the country for couple of months as there have been delays with his UK Visa, so much so that he has had to take Israeli citizenship to get their passport to be able to enter the UK Visa free. As a result he's pulling the plug on the Stamford Bridge redevelopment due to throwing his toys out the pram with the UK authorities.

I read that too lol. I'm not sure why he has to be there for construction in the bridge to begin but I am kind of happy he stalled things. The eggslicer design he had settled for was a little strange. Hopefully they come up with something else.

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This is even better as the owner of Chelsea hasn't been in the country for couple of months as there have been delays with his UK Visa, so much so that he has had to take Israeli citizenship to get their passport to be able to enter the UK Visa free. As a result he's pulling the plug on the Stamford Bridge redevelopment due to throwing his toys out the pram with the UK authorities.

I read that too lol. I'm not sure why he has to be there for construction in the bridge to begin but I am kind of happy he stalled things. The eggslicer design he had settled for was a little strange. Hopefully they come up with something else.

It's not that he needs to be there for the construction to start, it's that the deal isn't finalised and him being the owner would need to be there to dot the i's and cross the t's, so to speak. Shad meeting with Abramovich to discuss a temporary move? The American media outlets are even worse than the UK ones, it seems..

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I read that too lol. I'm not sure why he has to be there for construction in the bridge to begin but I am kind of happy he stalled things. The eggslicer design he had settled for was a little strange. Hopefully they come up with something else.

It's not that he needs to be there for the construction to start, it's that the deal isn't finalised and him being the owner would need to be there to dot the i's and cross the t's, so to speak. Shad meeting with Abramovich to discuss a temporary move? The American media outlets are even worse than the UK ones, it seems..

Yeah basically the UK Authorities have been messing him around, so he's saying he'll just scrap the plans which would generate a lot of jobs and investment in the area. It's the big boys version of saying "screw you guys, I'm going home"

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It is accurate to label the possibility of a London NFL team a "conspiracy theory". A "conspiracy theory" is simply the idea that one or more parties are working behind the scenes to accomplish something. We know the NFL is doing exactly that - working to bring a team to London by 2022 without publicly discussing all the machinations required to do this. As I've said before, it will require a certain amount of deception and denial. It just isn't possible to accomplish without misleading the fans of the targeted team.

For instance, the Colts moving to Indy was a "conspiracy theory" until the Mayflower trucks loaded up in the dead of night. When the Baltimore fans woke up the next day, the loss of their team was no longer a "theory" but an accomplished fact.

All I'm saying is, don't be chumps. Enjoy and support the Jaguars, but understand the owner of the eventual London team HAS TO LIE TO THE FANS. To reveal plans for 2022 now would result in a near-empty stadium for 4 years and the NFL is well aware of this.

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It is accurate to label the possibility of a London NFL team a "conspiracy theory".  A "conspiracy theory" is simply the idea that one or more parties are working behind the scenes to accomplish something.  We know the NFL is doing exactly that - working to bring a team to London by 2022 without publicly discussing all the machinations required to do this.  As I've said before, it will require a certain amount of deception and denial.  It just isn't possible to accomplish without misleading the fans of the targeted team.

For instance, the Colts moving to Indy was a "conspiracy theory" until the Mayflower trucks loaded up in the dead of night.  When the Baltimore fans woke up the next day, the loss of their team was no longer a "theory" but an accomplished fact.

All I'm saying is, don't be chumps.  Enjoy and support the Jaguars, but understand the owner of the eventual London team HAS TO LIE TO THE FANS.  To reveal plans for 2022 now would result in a near-empty stadium for 4 years and the NFL is well aware of this.

Exactly.  If historical teams like the Cleveland Browns and Baltimore Colts left their cities high and dry, there is no doubt in my mind that it could easily happen in Jacksonville.

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