Who is this “my people”, you speak of!

I'd like to know myself, SC1 is the one who brought it up, ask him. 

(this is assuming you understand why I put "my people" in quotes)

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

It's ok, we aren't a democracy anyway.

Merriam Webster's definition of democracy:

a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority

b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

We are definitely a democracy.  We are more than a democracy, and there are more specific ways to describe what we are, but democracy is still correct.
You would probably protest that we're actually a republic, which is also not wrong, but also not super specific:

a (1) : a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president
   (2) : a political unit (such as a nation) having such a form of government

b (1) : a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law
   (2) : a political unit (such as a nation) having such a form of government

The "governing according to law" part seems to be the key difference between the two definitions.  It's the only clause in either set of definitions that would be in play if the President chose to pardon himself and the Congress chose to do nothing about it.  Dragonfury meant that we would no longer have a clear rule of law if this happened and that we would be more like a dictatorship.  Dictatorships have no rule of law, but, if the dictator is not a monarch, and power doesn't pass from parents to children, dictatorships could be categorized as republics, according to the first definition of republic offered by Merriam-Webster. Modern examples of dictatorial republics include Cuba, Venezuela, Egypt, and China.  But, no dictatorship could ever be categorized as a democracy, per Merriam-Webster's definitions of democracy.  So it is best for us not to use either word alone, and specify that we are a "democratic republic" as of today. 

But, if Trump pardoned himself and Congress did nothing, we would be a bit more like a dictatorship starting from that day forward.

I like the term "Constitutional Republic" better.

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It's ok, we aren't a democracy anyway.

Merriam Webster's definition of democracy:

a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority

b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

We are definitely a democracy.  We are more than a democracy, and there are more specific ways to describe what we are, but democracy is still correct.
You would probably protest that we're actually a republic, which is also not wrong, but also not super specific:

a (1) : a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president
   (2) : a political unit (such as a nation) having such a form of government

b (1) : a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law
   (2) : a political unit (such as a nation) having such a form of government

The "governing according to law" part seems to be the key difference between the two definitions.  It's the only clause in either set of definitions that would be in play if the President chose to pardon himself and the Congress chose to do nothing about it.  Dragonfury meant that we would no longer have a clear rule of law if this happened and that we would be more like a dictatorship.  Dictatorships have no rule of law, but, if the dictator is not a monarch, and power doesn't pass from parents to children, dictatorships could be categorized as republics, according to the first definition of republic offered by Merriam-Webster. Modern examples of dictatorial republics include Cuba, Venezuela, Egypt, and China.  But, no dictatorship could ever be categorized as a democracy, per Merriam-Webster's definitions of democracy.  So it is best for us not to use either word alone, and specify that we are a "democratic republic" as of today. 

But, if Trump pardoned himself and Congress did nothing, we would be a bit more like a dictatorship starting from that day forward.

Maybe flsprtsgod was implying that we are closer to a dictatorship.

We were only a few delegates in 2008 from having Bush - Clinton - Bush - Clinton (and Hillary had more popular votes).

We were only a few electoral votes from Having Bush - Clinton - Bush - (placeholder) - Clinton (and Hillary again had more popular votes).

We are now in a situation where the establishment is doing everything they can to overturn Trump's election.

Pretty close to a dictatorship IMO.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

I like the term "Constitutional Republic" better.

So do I, but we haven't been that since 1863 / 1913 / 1933 - take your pick.

In 1863, Senators of the Southern states walked out and Congress was unable to seat a Constitutional quorum.

1913 saw the establishment of a private system of debt-based currency and the accompanying taxes owed by those who chose to use the money substitute.

In 1933 FDR declared bankruptcy and pledged all our lands and the lives of every citizen to international bankers. We now operate under maritime (commercial) law rather than common (constitutional) law.

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I like the term "Constitutional Republic" better.

So do I, but we haven't been that since 1863 / 1913 / 1933 - take your pick.

In 1863, Senators of the Southern states walked out and Congress was unable to seat a Constitutional quorum.

1913 saw the establishment of a private system of debt-based currency and the accompanying taxes owed by those who chose to use the money substitute.

In 1933 FDR declared bankruptcy and pledged all our lands and the lives of every citizen to international bankers.  We now operate under maritime (commercial) law rather than common (constitutional) law.

You think you're a sovereign citizen don't you?

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You think you're a sovereign citizen don't you?

You would have to define the phrase more clearly. We don't have kings if that's what you mean.
In a constitutional republic, the individual is sovereign, and powers granted to government have to first reside in the people. We cannot grant powers we never had.

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Merriam Webster's definition of democracy:


We are definitely a democracy.  We are more than a democracy, and there are more specific ways to describe what we are, but democracy is still correct.
You would probably protest that we're actually a republic, which is also not wrong, but also not super specific:


The "governing according to law" part seems to be the key difference between the two definitions.  It's the only clause in either set of definitions that would be in play if the President chose to pardon himself and the Congress chose to do nothing about it.  Dragonfury meant that we would no longer have a clear rule of law if this happened and that we would be more like a dictatorship.  Dictatorships have no rule of law, but, if the dictator is not a monarch, and power doesn't pass from parents to children, dictatorships could be categorized as republics, according to the first definition of republic offered by Merriam-Webster. Modern examples of dictatorial republics include Cuba, Venezuela, Egypt, and China.  But, no dictatorship could ever be categorized as a democracy, per Merriam-Webster's definitions of democracy.  So it is best for us not to use either word alone, and specify that we are a "democratic republic" as of today. 

But, if Trump pardoned himself and Congress did nothing, we would be a bit more like a dictatorship starting from that day forward.

I like the term "Constitutional Republic" better.

The best and most accurate term for our government structure. The power of the people is [BLEEP] by the Constitution, i.e. it spells out exactly how it may be modified, it cannot simply be put up to a common vote.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Who is this “my people”, you speak of!

I'd like to know myself, SC1 is the one who brought it up, ask him. 

(this is assuming you understand why I put "my people" in quotes)

So we’re was foot note for the once removed “my people” and who be SC1 
The “My people” what are they and the context your referring to

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“You may never know what results come of your actions, but if you do nothing, there will be no results.”
“If you find a way to motivate an idiot you have a motivated idiot”

I like the term "Constitutional Republic" better.

The best and most accurate term for our government structure. The power of the people is [BLEEP] by the Constitution, i.e. it spells out exactly how it may be modified, it cannot simply be put up to a common vote.

You may call it by whatever name, word or phrase you wish, but it cease to be true the second Trump pardons himself without consequence. 

Also, I really want to know what word you used that triggered the word filter in such a mundane sentence.

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The best and most accurate term for our government structure. The power of the people is [BLEEP] by the Constitution, i.e. it spells out exactly how it may be modified, it cannot simply be put up to a common vote.

You may call it by whatever name, word or phrase you wish, but it cease to be true the second Trump pardons himself without consequence. 

Also, I really want to know what word you used that triggered the word filter in such a mundane sentence.

The word isn't bad at all, it's another case of the filter being overly cautious.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

The best and most accurate term for our government structure. The power of the people is [BLEEP] by the Constitution, i.e. it spells out exactly how it may be modified, it cannot simply be put up to a common vote.

You may call it by whatever name, word or phrase you wish, but it cease to be true the second Trump pardons himself without consequence. 

Also, I really want to know what word you used that triggered the word filter in such a mundane sentence.

It would create a firestorm but there are no pardon limitation except with impeachment. Then again, Trump misspells a word and it’s news for two weeks, so firestorm wouldn’t be unusual.

Trump could also sit back and let the Dems continue with the “unfit for office” narrative, then later on claiming the 25th amendment for a mental reprieve giving Pence full temporary Presidential authority. Pence could then pardon Trump and Trump returns after a brief hiatus to full Presidential duty unscathed. 

Reality is, neither method is unconstitutional and has limited to no law precedent against it. However, I can almost guarantee it would force the Supreme Court to register a ruling.

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I'd like to know myself, SC1 is the one who brought it up, ask him. 

(this is assuming you understand why I put "my people" in quotes)

So we’re was foot note for the once removed “my people” and who be SC1 
The “My people” what are they and the context your referring to

who is sc1 explain that your claiming a quote from

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“You may never know what results come of your actions, but if you do nothing, there will be no results.”
“If you find a way to motivate an idiot you have a motivated idiot”

So we’re was foot note for the once removed “my people” and who be SC1 
The “My people” what are they and the context your referring to

who is sc1 explain that your claiming a quote from

He is referring to me. I call the far left "you people" because they aren't like normal people, or even abnormal people for that matter.

RJ supported an infant choosing his own gender for Christ's sake.

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Trump has his left wing tendencies himself. Bringing in trade barriers and controlling the labour market by putting up walls.

He's created a band of supporters who think education is useless so the social classes may be next to go.

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Trump has his left wing tendencies himself. Bringing in trade barriers and controlling the labour market by putting up walls.

He's created a band of supporters who think education is useless so the social classes may be next to go.

Just when I thought you couldn’t talk out of your [BLEEP] anymore, you post some stuff like this with zero factual basis.

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Trump has his left wing tendencies himself. Bringing in trade barriers and controlling the labour market by putting up walls.

He's created a band of supporters who think education is useless so the social classes may be next to go.

Just when I thought you couldn’t talk out of your [BLEEP] anymore, you post some stuff like this with zero factual basis.

Lmbo. It's always nice to come to this thread for a good laugh. I read a post and was left trying to figure out how he arrived at that conclusion and then I scroll down one post and find relief that I am not alone lol.

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Sorry could you dispute the points? Very traditional left wing policies I mentioned.

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Trump has his left wing tendencies himself. Bringing in trade barriers and controlling the labour market by putting up walls.

Tarriffs used to be the main revenue source for the federal government, so that's about as Founding Fathers as it gets.

Controlling the labor market?  Sure, by limiting it to people in this country instead of the whole world. 
Get back to me after you open your home to anyone who wants to eat or sleep there.

He's created a band of supporters who think education is useless so the social classes may be next to go.

Social classes?  Is this another progressive perversion of the language?  Sounds like we wouldn't miss them, whatever they are.

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Protectionism is now not left wing?

Also google is quite handy if you have never heard of a term or phrase.

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Protectionism is now not left wing?

Also google is quite handy if you have never heard of a term or phrase.

Social class = a set of subjectively defined concepts in the social sciences and political theory. So it's exactly as I stated above. Marxist mumbo-jumbo to create subjective "group identities". Then they murder one group, enslave the other and enjoy vodka and caviar until the whole thing collapses. This is happening right now at our universities and already collapsing into chaos because the left has driven out the right and now is eating itself.

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