The difference between Kroenke and Khan is that from the day he bought the Rams Kroenke never put a single dime into the St. Louis market or stadium. His only real action concerning the stadium was to take the city to court over the lease. That ended up him winning the suit and essentially getting a year-to-year lease which he could break at will.

Khan by contrast, has put millions into the team, stadium, and the city in general, both before and after the Jaguars started playing games in London.

I agree that Khan is doing everything possible here in Jacksonville and made a wise business decision to play 1 game per season in London for $1m/game at a time when we totally sucked.  

That said, I'll play Devil's advocate with the Glass Half Empty:  one could argue, with the potential purchase of Wembley, that Khan is investing vastly more money in the City of London with his Fulham FC (Premier League Team) and Wembley Stadium (if the sale goes through).

Except for the part (If I remember correctly) where the entity he proposed to buy Wembley with is Jaguars LLC, which means the Jaguars would actually own it with Mr Khan as principle owner of Jaguars LLC...That would mean that all revenue derived from the use of Wembley would go to the Jaguars

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I agree that Khan is doing everything possible here in Jacksonville and made a wise business decision to play 1 game per season in London for $1m/game at a time when we totally sucked.  

That said, I'll play Devil's advocate with the Glass Half Empty:  one could argue, with the potential purchase of Wembley, that Khan is investing vastly more money in the City of London with his Fulham FC (Premier League Team) and Wembley Stadium (if the sale goes through).

Except for the part (If I remember correctly) where the entity he proposed to buy Wembley with is Jaguars LLC, which means the Jaguars would actually own it with Mr Khan as principle owner...That would mean that all revenue derived from the use of Wembley would go to the Jaguars

That's even worse.  Kahn is still the owner of the Jags and this is a way for him to set up his UK based entity and place the Jaguars name on it.

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Except for the part (If I remember correctly) where the entity he proposed to buy Wembley with is Jaguars LLC, which means the Jaguars would actually own it with Mr Khan as principle owner...That would mean that all revenue derived from the use of Wembley would go to the Jaguars

That's even worse.  Kahn is still the owner of the Jags and this is a way for him to set up his UK based entity and place the Jaguars name on it.

It's actually better to keep the Jaguars In Jacksonville and own Wembley...That way there are 2 revenue streams generating revenue for the Jaguars rather than just one...All the proceeds from Wembley would go to the Jags and all the revenue from the Jags in Jacksonville would go to the Jaguars...It's a pretty good plan if you ask me...It would be a tax nightmare though, not to mention the value of the Jaguars would skyrocket

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The difference between Kroenke and Khan is that from the day he bought the Rams Kroenke never put a single dime into the St. Louis market or stadium. His only real action concerning the stadium was to take the city to court over the lease. That ended up him winning the suit and essentially getting a year-to-year lease which he could break at will.

Khan by contrast, has put millions into the team, stadium, and the city in general, both before and after the Jaguars started playing games in London.

I agree that Khan is doing everything possible here in Jacksonville and made a wise business decision to play 1 game per season in London for $1m/game at a time when we totally sucked.  

That's not the case. Other teams are compensated for the loss of a home game in that manner but in exchange for a multi year deal Khan was able to get the whole of the ticket revenue for the Wembley game. That's why it's such a financial boon to the Jaguars; revenue sharing aside, he's keeping every single penny (or pence) of 84,000 tickets.

That's also what I think this move to buy Wembley is about; the NFL is seeing those millions flow straight into the Jaguars bank account and my suspicion is that they want that money back. They agreed to that deal because at the time they were desperate to grow the brand of the London game and Khan was the only one to show any kind of interest in agreeing to a multiyear deal. These days the NFL realized that the Series doesn't really need the Jaguars commitment anymore and with the recent success the Jaguars may not need the money anymore so I think the NFL is moving to put the Jags back into the regular compensation corner. Buying Wembley would force the NFL's hand not only with regards to the Series as a whole but to the Jaguars revenue stream as well.

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I agree that Khan is doing everything possible here in Jacksonville and made a wise business decision to play 1 game per season in London for $1m/game at a time when we totally sucked.  

That's not the case. Other teams are compensated for the loss of a home game in that manner but in exchange for a multi year deal Khan was able to get the whole of the ticket revenue for the Wembley game. That's why it's such a financial boon to the Jaguars; revenue sharing aside, he's keeping every single penny (or pence) of 84,000 tickets.

That's also what I think this move to buy Wembley is about; the NFL is seeing those millions flow straight into the Jaguars bank account and my suspicion is that they want that money back. They agreed to that deal because at the time they were desperate to grow the brand of the London game and Khan was the only one to show any kind of interest in agreeing to a multiyear deal. These days the NFL realized that the Series doesn't really need the Jaguars commitment anymore and with the recent success the Jaguars may not need the money anymore so I think the NFL is moving to put the Jags back into the regular compensation corner. Buying Wembley would force the NFL's hand not only with regards to the Series as a whole but to the Jaguars revenue stream as well.

Well stated - Good perspective & insight

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I agree that Khan is doing everything possible here in Jacksonville and made a wise business decision to play 1 game per season in London for $1m/game at a time when we totally sucked.  

That's not the case. Other teams are compensated for the loss of a home game in that manner but in exchange for a multi year deal Khan was able to get the whole of the ticket revenue for the Wembley game. That's why it's such a financial boon to the Jaguars; revenue sharing aside, he's keeping every single penny (or pence) of 84,000 tickets.

That's also what I think this move to buy Wembley is about; the NFL is seeing those millions flow straight into the Jaguars bank account and my suspicion is that they want that money back. They agreed to that deal because at the time they were desperate to grow the brand of the London game and Khan was the only one to show any kind of interest in agreeing to a multiyear deal. These days the NFL realized that the Series doesn't really need the Jaguars commitment anymore and with the recent success the Jaguars may not need the money anymore so I think the NFL is moving to put the Jags back into the regular compensation corner. Buying Wembley would force the NFL's hand not only with regards to the Series as a whole but to the Jaguars revenue stream as well.

as i said above, keeping the Jaguars in Jax and owning Wembley would create 2 revenue streams for the Jaguars PLUS revenue that is not NFL related hosted at Wembley...Pretty good thinkin there!

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Mark Lamping reports that Shad wants to play 2 games in London, 1 home and 1 away. I guess they'd both be at Wembley.

The Jaguars are not moving to London.

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https://twitter.com/vitostellino/status/...0403990529

TU article on the topic:
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/2018060...-in-london

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https://twitter.com/vitostellino/status/...0403990529

TU article on the topic:
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/2018060...-in-london

Now let's hope the gaggle of morons in city leadership are willing to accommodate.

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Rich men buy expensive things. I would buy it too but amex didn't pre approve me on that one..... ludicrous really. I mean he is a very intelligent guy, he will do what is best for the franchise whether we like it or not. We can speculate all we want but at this point. we know nothing.

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Rich men buy expensive things. I would buy it too but amex didn't pre approve me on that one..... ludicrous really. I mean he is a very intelligent guy, he will do what is best for the franchise whether we like it or not. We can speculate all we want but at this point. we know nothing.

Not true! We know from day one of Mr Khans ownership that he has pledged to keep the Jaguars in Jacksonville and still continues to do so...We know that Mr Khan has and is continuing to spend insane amounts of money to and for Jacksonville...We know that Mr Khan has placed a bid to buy Wembley Stadium using Jaguars LLC as the buyer which would mean that every dime of revenue generated at Wembley Stadium will go into the Jaguars bank account even if it's not revenue generated by NFL activities...

Mr Lamping in the video that was posted earlier, said (paraphrasing) while local revenue has increased, the Jaguars are still lagging  from where they want to be, and to generate the revenue they want to generate can not be done by traditional NFL means (such as merchandise sales) in this small market, therefore they have to find creative ways to increase revenue...Buying Wembley would give the Jaguars a second income stream...

The only people who are talking about the Jaguars moving, are the same ones who are ignorant to the state of the Jaguars and think we still have attendance issues and the people who either like to argue just to to argue to piss people off. or are conspiracy theorists...

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Rich men buy expensive things. I would buy it too but amex didn't pre approve me on that one..... ludicrous really. I mean he is a very intelligent guy, he will do what is best for the franchise whether we like it or not. We can speculate all we want but at this point. we know nothing.

Not true! We know from day one of Mr Khans ownership that he has pledged to keep the Jaguars in Jacksonville and still continues to do so...We know that Mr Khan has and is continuing to spend insane amounts of money to and for Jacksonville...We know that Mr Khan has placed a bid to buy Wembley Stadium using Jaguars LLC as the buyer which would mean that every dime of revenue generated at Wembley Stadium will go into the Jaguars bank account even if it's not revenue generated by NFL activities...

Mr Lamping in the video that was posted earlier, said (paraphrasing) while local revenue has increased, the Jaguars are still lagging  from where they want to be, and to generate the revenue they want to generate can not be done by traditional NFL means (such as merchandise sales) in this small market, therefore they have to find creative ways to increase revenue...Buying Wembley would give the Jaguars a second income stream...

The only people who are talking about the Jaguars moving, are the same ones who are ignorant to the state of the Jaguars and think we still have attendance issues and the people who either like to argue just to to argue to piss people off. or are conspiracy theorists...

 i agree and did not state the previous to suggest otherwise. however, I still think that no one know definitively what the true future holds. I agree the evidence suggesting we stay in Jax far exceeds that of the contrary. But i don't think a correlation of evidence leads to a fact and most of what we are saying just speculation based off of this. that was really all i was saying. I have heard shad say he has every intention to keep the team Jacksonville but(and maybe this is just me) there always seems to be a "but" followed by some statement about finance. I do not think that we have anything to worry about, however i do not think the other side who thinks the opposite are just pulling stuff out of their back side, they do have some ammunition.

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Not true! We know from day one of Mr Khans ownership that he has pledged to keep the Jaguars in Jacksonville and still continues to do so...We know that Mr Khan has and is continuing to spend insane amounts of money to and for Jacksonville...We know that Mr Khan has placed a bid to buy Wembley Stadium using Jaguars LLC as the buyer which would mean that every dime of revenue generated at Wembley Stadium will go into the Jaguars bank account even if it's not revenue generated by NFL activities...

Mr Lamping in the video that was posted earlier, said (paraphrasing) while local revenue has increased, the Jaguars are still lagging  from where they want to be, and to generate the revenue they want to generate can not be done by traditional NFL means (such as merchandise sales) in this small market, therefore they have to find creative ways to increase revenue...Buying Wembley would give the Jaguars a second income stream...

The only people who are talking about the Jaguars moving, are the same ones who are ignorant to the state of the Jaguars and think we still have attendance issues and the people who either like to argue just to to argue to piss people off. or are conspiracy theorists...

 i agree and did not state the previous to suggest otherwise. however, I still think that no one know definitively what the true future holds. I agree the evidence suggesting we stay in Jax far exceeds that of the contrary. But i don't think a correlation of evidence leads to a fact and most of what we are saying just speculation based off of this. that was really all i was saying. I have heard shad say he has every intention to keep the team Jacksonville but(and maybe this is just me) there always seems to be a "but" followed by some statement about finance. I do not think that we have anything to worry about, however i do not think the other side who thinks the opposite are just pulling stuff out of their back side, they do have some ammunition. 

Ok I gotcha now...For the red part I disagree...Yes there have been some "BUT" which is in every avenue and facet of every business...It seems to me the majority of the "BUT" statements have come with past attendance woes...Mr. Khan would say something like ticket sales have improved, BUT there is more to do to become financially stable in Jacksonville...I have often wondered what that meant... With the NFL revenue sharing program and the TV money it's nearly impossible to lose money...Hearing Mr Lamping on that video, made me think that the Jaguars must have a specific amount of revenue they want to generate and until they reach that mark, they will not consider themselves financially stable...I heard something (or maybe thats what I gathered by hearing Lamping talk about revenue), is that the Jaguars want to have revenue competitive to some of the larger market teams and ticket sales and merchandise sales isn't going to get them there, hence the bid to buy Wembley...

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If Jaguars LLC is hurting so bad for "revenue", how come they have a spare billion to buy stadiums? And why don't they just buy the stadium here in Jacksonville?

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If Jaguars LLC is hurting so bad for "revenue", how come they have a spare billion to buy stadiums?  And why don't they just buy the stadium here in Jacksonville?

Are you having a hard time differentiating between the financial goals of a small market franchise and the capital available to its owner from the sum of his business ventures?

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What's the status on the docks? Any progress or is the city waiting for Sleiman to buy it and do nothing with it

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If Jaguars LLC is hurting so bad for "revenue", how come they have a spare billion to buy stadiums?  And why don't they just buy the stadium here in Jacksonville?

Are you having a hard time differentiating between the financial goals of a small market franchise and the capital available to its owner from the sum of his business ventures?

Clearly.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

What's the status on the docks? Any progress or is the city waiting for Sleiman to buy it and do nothing with it

LOL. i just did work for that guy. Not a huge fan but he paid out so i don't have anything to really complain about.

I think the docks have hit a block because of that guy who going to build noahs arch. From what i can remember he had a pretty air tight plan. i can't see anything going wrong.

https://cdnapisec.kaltura.com/index.php/...ed/dynamic

Judging by the condition of his trailer, one can only conclude he is a probably a general contractor and maybe the biggest builder in the city.

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If Jaguars LLC is hurting so bad for "revenue", how come they have a spare billion to buy stadiums?  And why don't they just buy the stadium here in Jacksonville?

Are you having a hard time differentiating between the financial goals of a small market franchise and the capital available to its owner from the sum of his business ventures?

Mr. Khan and Mr. Lamping might be. And I'm sure the Jacksonville City leaders will take note of the suddenly deep pockets of "Jaguars LLC".

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What's the status on the docks?

Still Looking Good !!

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