Honestly I was super-high on Cam coming out. Actually at one point had him in our group of possible first round selections.
I think where he was drafted and how he performed he should be viewed as a very good pick and we as fans should be optimistic about his potential as a long-term fixture at LT.

I can see why rating sites wouldn't have him as high. Dude actually got worked in a couple games. Sure he didn't directly give up a sack a lot... but pressures are sometimes more important.
I also think the rating sites can be off base with the quantifying factors.... I've seen Rodgers have a helluva game only to be the 12th best QB of the week, or some grabbage.

Best LT in the game today? Nah... but honestly, what LT from Thomas, to Smith, to any of them have been "the best LT in the game" as a rookie?
I think he really could be top 3 LT as soon as next season, with improvement.

I seem to recall he had his worst games mid season going up against Melvin Ingram of the Bolts and Myles Garrett.  IIRC, he had an ankle injury.

But I see quite a few analysts list LT as a huge weakness for us.

I shake my head at that.

I remember the Bolts, Rams, and Pats as the games where he actually stood out (which tends to be bad for OL) But 2 of those  teams have elite pass rush talent

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I seem to recall he had his worst games mid season going up against Melvin Ingram of the Bolts and Myles Garrett.  IIRC, he had an ankle injury.

But I see quite a few analysts list LT as a huge weakness for us.

I shake my head at that.

I remember the Bolts, Rams, and Pats as the games where he actually stood out (which tends to be bad for OL) But 2 of those  teams have elite pass rush talent

Too bad I erased the Rams game.


I don't recall him struggling much against the Pats, but thinking about it, he struggled against former Patriot Chandler Jones in the Arizona loss.

In any event, I am generally happy with the level of play he has provided so far.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

I remember the Bolts, Rams, and Pats as the games where he actually stood out (which tends to be bad for OL) But 2 of those  teams have elite pass rush talent

Too bad I erased the Rams game.


I don't recall him struggling much against the Pats, but thinking about it, he struggled against former Patriot Chandler Jones in the Arizona loss.

In any event, I am generally happy with the level of play he has provided so far.

Old man James Harrison got the better of Cam during the AFCCG on a couple occasions... probably shouldn't lump it in with the other two games that he actually got worked a few times.

But yeah... that Rams game was something else.... STs really cost us there.
And despite his play in the Bolts game... we still won.

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His last game was his worst imo. Hes of the biggest reasons we lost the championship game.

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His last game was his worst imo.  Hes of the biggest reasons we lost the championship game.

Refs
Coaches
Bortles
Fournette
OL play...

I'd put the OL as a whole as 5th for reasons why we lost.

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His last game was his worst imo.  Hes of the biggest reasons we lost the championship game.

Refs
Coaches
Bortles
Fournette
OL play...

I'd put the OL as a whole as 5th for reasons why we lost.

As painful or redundant as it may be, could/would you elaborate on the last three?

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

His last game was his worst imo.  Hes of the biggest reasons we lost the championship game.

Refs
Coaches
Bortles
Fournette
OL play...

I'd put the OL as a whole as 5th for reasons why we lost.

1. Play calling
2. Refs/Jack being called down
3. Defense
4. Cam

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I think I'd still take Tyron Smith, Trent Williams and Jason Peters over Cam but then again, he was just a rookie. OLine looking good so far.

There's something to be said for youth. Cam is only 22 years old. Tyron Smith and Trent Williams are 27 and 29 respectively, and Jason Peters is 36 placing him on the verge of retirement. 

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His last game was his worst imo.  Hes of the biggest reasons we lost the championship game.

Refs
Coaches
Bortles
Fournette
OL play...

I'd put the OL as a whole as 5th for reasons why we lost.

LOL no.

Bortles wasn't a top 3 reason why we lost that game, nor was he even a top 5 reason why we lost that game.

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Postgame a must watch is Jaguars Monday. Tony loves to talk O-line. From what I can remember he was very high on Cam's play early in the season sometimes calling his play on par with Linder's, but as the season progressed he hit the "rookie wall" and declined. He said it was expected, but he was basically one of the weak points and playing avg-below avg. When the season ended I remember Tony saying he was open to helping Cam out, but Cam had to make the call. Hopefully he did, we may never know, Tony definitely takes pride in trying to help. I trust his judgement above anyone when it comes to Jags O-line.

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I think I'd still take Tyron Smith, Trent Williams and Jason Peters over Cam but then again, he was just a rookie. OLine looking good so far.

There's something to be said for youth. Cam is only 22 years old. Tyron Smith and Trent Williams are 27 and 29 respectively, and Jason Peters is 36 placing him on the verge of retirement. 

I agree on Peters but tackles can play for a long time. Whitworth is still elite and he's pretty old. Smith and Williams have at least 7 more seasons of elite play.

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Cam gave up less sacks than Whitworth, not sure on pressures.

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Cam gave up less sacks than Whitworth, not sure on pressures.

from the PFF 2017 OL rankings:


15. JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS

Total pressures surrendered: 151
Best player: Brandon Linder
Combinations used: 14
Jacksonville’s offensive line had a lot of success in run-blocking as the 1.95 yards Jaguars running backs averaged before contact ranked second in the NFL last season. The unit was anchored by Brandon Linder, who has established himself as one of the best centers in the league over the past couple of seasons as he did not allow a single sack all year. Right tackle Jermey Parnell has been consistently solid for a couple seasons as well and similarly to Linder, did not allow a single sack all season. On the other side, however, rookie left tackle Cam Robinson went through some growing pains in his first season in the NFL as he played 13 games in the regular season and was called for 12 penalties in these games while he allowed at least three total pressures in 10 games, including the playoffs.


https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pr...nfl-season

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Like I said earlier, that sack stat you keep harping on doesn't tell the whole story on Cam's rookie lumps.

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Ok it doesn't tell the whole story. He still only gave up 2 sacks, which is better than a lot of "elite" left tackles. It looks like Linder is on his way to being the 2nd best lineman in franchise history, behind Tony Boselli. I'd say he's ahead of Meester right now.

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Refs
Coaches
Bortles
Fournette
OL play...

I'd put the OL as a whole as 5th for reasons why we lost.

As painful or redundant as it may be, could/would you elaborate on the last three?

Sure, mind you... I was just listing off things and the ones toward the bottom of the list don't have much of a % of the total blame... including Borts at 3.
Bortles wasn't very accurate when throwing late in the game. With a 10 point lead he missed a couple throws. He does have to shoulder some blame right?
Fournette and the OL combined for some sorry [BLEEP] running the last few drives.
But really... those guys are way down the list for "blame"

Refs
Coaches
Bortles
Fournette
OL play...

I'd put the OL as a whole as 5th for reasons why we lost.

LOL no.

Bortles wasn't a top 3 reason why we lost that game, nor was he even a top 5 reason why we lost that game.

OK... well... you can't list the refs more than once.
And I wouldn't blame the defense AT ALL when they held the Pats to 10 for the majority of the game.

Not trying to bash ol Borts. I'm supportive of our QB...
just saying... Our OL played very well for the most part in pass pro, I wouldn't really put it on them.

The OL was put in a bad position, I feel, by our coach staff that decided to get too conservative too early (and play scared with their QB) and then had to play catch up with a team built to run and protect a lead LATE in games (not with 13 minutes left)

But to be clear... we were screwed so the amount of "blame" I'm passing around to our own guys is minimal in the big picture.

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As painful or redundant as it may be, could/would you elaborate on the last three?

Sure, mind you... I was just listing off things and the ones toward the bottom of the list don't have much of a % of the total blame... including Borts at 3.
Bortles wasn't very accurate when throwing late in the game. With a 10 point lead he missed a couple throws. He does have to shoulder some blame right?
Fournette and the OL combined for some sorry [BLEEP] running the last few drives.
But really... those guys are way down the list for "blame"

LOL no.

Bortles wasn't a top 3 reason why we lost that game, nor was he even a top 5 reason why we lost that game.

OK... well... you can't list the refs more than once.
And I wouldn't blame the defense AT ALL when they held the Pats to 10 for the majority of the game.

Not trying to bash ol Borts. I'm supportive of our QB...
just saying... Our OL played very well for the most part in pass pro, I wouldn't really put it on them.

The OL was put in a bad position, I feel, by our coach staff that decided to get too conservative too early (and play scared with their QB) and then had to play catch up with a team built to run and protect a lead LATE in games (not with 13 minutes left)

But to be clear... we were screwed so the amount of "blame" I'm passing around to our own guys is minimal in the big picture.

I very much disagree with the part in bold.

With that being said, I've been over it for quite some time.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Sure, mind you... I was just listing off things and the ones toward the bottom of the list don't have much of a % of the total blame... including Borts at 3.
Bortles wasn't very accurate when throwing late in the game. With a 10 point lead he missed a couple throws. He does have to shoulder some blame right?
Fournette and the OL combined for some sorry [BLEEP] running the last few drives.
But really... those guys are way down the list for "blame"


OK... well... you can't list the refs more than once.
And I wouldn't blame the defense AT ALL when they held the Pats to 10 for the majority of the game.

Not trying to bash ol Borts. I'm supportive of our QB...
just saying... Our OL played very well for the most part in pass pro, I wouldn't really put it on them.

The OL was put in a bad position, I feel, by our coach staff that decided to get too conservative too early (and play scared with their QB) and then had to play catch up with a team built to run and protect a lead LATE in games (not with 13 minutes left)

But to be clear... we were screwed so the amount of "blame" I'm passing around to our own guys is minimal in the big picture.

I very much disagree with the part in bold.

With that being said, I've been over it for quite some time.

The players on the defense were not the problem, but going into soft zone coverage and only rushing four every down at the end was a problem. The one time we rushed five Brady threw an incomplete pass. Heaven forbid Wash would repeat something that worked.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

Sure, mind you... I was just listing off things and the ones toward the bottom of the list don't have much of a % of the total blame... including Borts at 3.
Bortles wasn't very accurate when throwing late in the game. With a 10 point lead he missed a couple throws. He does have to shoulder some blame right?
Fournette and the OL combined for some sorry [BLEEP] running the last few drives.
But really... those guys are way down the list for "blame"


OK... well... you can't list the refs more than once.
And I wouldn't blame the defense AT ALL when they held the Pats to 10 for the majority of the game.

Not trying to bash ol Borts. I'm supportive of our QB...
just saying... Our OL played very well for the most part in pass pro, I wouldn't really put it on them.

The OL was put in a bad position, I feel, by our coach staff that decided to get too conservative too early (and play scared with their QB) and then had to play catch up with a team built to run and protect a lead LATE in games (not with 13 minutes left)

But to be clear... we were screwed so the amount of "blame" I'm passing around to our own guys is minimal in the big picture.

I very much disagree with the part in bold.

With that being said, I've been over it for quite some time.

Hold up... hold up....

You really want the defense that held Brady in check for a good majority of the game to shoulder blame for that loss?
Like... for real? Brady had 17 points in the 4th Q. Our coaches and offense squatted on 20 points like that's a lot. 
Brady had 4 scoring drives (3 TD 1 FG) in the entire game. Tom frickin Brady....

IDK how you could be like "that's on the D"

You're over it? Must be nice... I'm still not over 99.
Much less last year.

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As painful or redundant as it may be, could/would you elaborate on the last three?

Sure, mind you... I was just listing off things and the ones toward the bottom of the list don't have much of a % of the total blame... including Borts at 3.
Bortles wasn't very accurate when throwing late in the game. With a 10 point lead he missed a couple throws. He does have to shoulder some blame right?
Fournette and the OL combined for some sorry [BLEEP] running the last few drives.
But really... those guys are way down the list for "blame"

LOL no.

Bortles wasn't a top 3 reason why we lost that game, nor was he even a top 5 reason why we lost that game.

OK... well... you can't list the refs more than once.
And I wouldn't blame the defense AT ALL when they held the Pats to 10 for the majority of the game.

Not trying to bash ol Borts. I'm supportive of our QB...
just saying... Our OL played very well for the most part in pass pro, I wouldn't really put it on them.

The OL was put in a bad position, I feel, by our coach staff that decided to get too conservative too early (and play scared with their QB) and then had to play catch up with a team built to run and protect a lead LATE in games (not with 13 minutes left)

But to be clear... we were screwed so the amount of "blame" I'm passing around to our own guys is minimal in the big picture.

Coaches - Offensive
Coaches - Defensive
Refs
OL - They couldn't do much of anything in that 4th quarter (falls back on the coaches being completely predictable though with running the ball on every single 1st down)
Defense - They broke down in the 4th quarter (falls back on the coaches being stupid)

You could put the Coaches at all 5 spots honestly, they choked this game away 120%. Even with the refs being god awful, we still had every chance to win that game but the coaches flat out choked that game away.

You're slobbering all over Brady for what he did in that game, yet Bortles played better than he did for at least 3 quarters of that game. Bortles and Brady finished with nearly an identical stat line, yet Bortles was an issue? The main difference is that our dumb coaches went away from what was working in the 1st half, plain and simple.

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Cam gave up less sacks than Whitworth, not sure on pressures.

from the PFF 2017 OL rankings:


15. JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS

Total pressures surrendered: 151
Best player: Brandon Linder
Combinations used: 14
Jacksonville’s offensive line had a lot of success in run-blocking as the 1.95 yards Jaguars running backs averaged before contact ranked second in the NFL last season. The unit was anchored by Brandon Linder, who has established himself as one of the best centers in the league over the past couple of seasons as he did not allow a single sack all year. Right tackle Jermey Parnell has been consistently solid for a couple seasons as well and similarly to Linder, did not allow a single sack all season. On the other side, however, rookie left tackle Cam Robinson went through some growing pains in his first season in the NFL as he played 13 games in the regular season and was called for 12 penalties in these games while he allowed at least three total pressures in 10 games, including the playoffs.


https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pr...nfl-season

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Like I said earlier, that sack stat you keep harping on doesn't tell the whole story on Cam's rookie lumps.

I do recall a few too many penalties by the rookie LT, however, I'd hardly term a total of 3 pressures allowed over 10 games "growing pains."

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