Trump announcing an executive order to keep families together indefinitely.

Expect it to get challenged in court, just as the previous admin was sued for not separating kids from parents.

It's not the President's job.  Congress must pass/correct law.  Any action/directive that is contrary to the law... is contrary to the law.

That's how our laws work.

This executive order will not stand up to court challenge, if challenged.

The work isn't done.  It's till the responsibility of Congress (who wrote the atrocity of law to begin with) to fix the law.

This is also why executive order wasn't the initial step.  It's not viable.

Hopefully, the EO will be challenged and struck down.  Only then would the Democrats be exposed for the obstructionists they have been all along regarding immigration reform.  They've already begun to pivot on the EO itself - they were given what they wanted and still can't give him credit for action they themselves aren't willing to take.

Congress will be interesting to watch.  It's about to get real regarding who truly wants to help "the children" and their spin for inaction.  Because, it's the only single thing they've got (which isn't even an issue that favors them - the majority sides with Trump and Democrats simply can't be honest about the true problems with current immigration law) to try to exploit in November.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

The first step in keeping yourself from being duped, is to recognize when you're being duped...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/06...ife-in-us/

I'd be angry, too if I had been promised lies were truth.

Let's sit back and watch what happens.  Will those who exploited the image in the media, including social media, redact and apologize for their posts?  Will Time pull their cover (pictured below?)  Will the apologists here continue to apologize for the deception by the media, and deny this ever happened?

What has America truly become?

A country where we simply cannot trust our media to be honest.  Media are active activist political players, not objective observers as they were trusted to be in days long past.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Once again the Democrats take the unpopular side

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

I thought as much. When the initial hysteria started the words arrested & illegal entry were committed. As the country comes to realize we are only talking about those who broke the law then this initial wave of pearl clutching will reverse.

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Trump announcing an executive order to keep families together indefinitely.

Expect it to get challenged in court, just as the previous admin was sued for not separating kids from parents.

It's not the President's job.  Congress must pass/correct law.  Any action/directive that is contrary to the law... is contrary to the law.

That's how our laws work.

This executive order will not stand up to court challenge, if challenged.

The work isn't done.  It's till the responsibility of Congress (who wrote the atrocity of law to begin with) to fix the law.

This is also why executive order wasn't the initial step.  It's not viable.

Hopefully, the EO will be challenged and struck down.  Only then would the Democrats be exposed for the obstructionists they have been all along regarding immigration reform.  They've already begun to pivot on the EO itself - they were given what they wanted and still can't give him credit for action they themselves aren't willing to take.

Congress will be interesting to watch.  It's about to get real regarding who truly wants to help "the children" and their spin for inaction.  Because, it's the only single thing they've got (which isn't even an issue that favors them - the majority sides with Trump and Democrats simply can't be honest about the true problems with current immigration law) to try to exploit in November.

Why do you think it will get struck down? If I'm not mistaken, this hinges on a Judge Gee granting them an exemption from the Flores settlement. If she shoots it down, I expect Trump to shift the blame to her and continue following her previous ruling. If she grants the exemption, Trump will be allowed to detain children with their parents for longer than 20 days. Trump is well within his rights as this executive order is written, so long as he follows the Judge's ruling on the matter.

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"My dream is to leave my country and become an American citizen so that I can become a drug addict and burden the economy," said no immigrant ever.

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How is this not terrorizing really young kids?

Their parents are to blame for this. I feel for the kids because they don't have a choice, they're collateral damage. The parents? I don't feel bad for them at all. Actions have consequences and the adults need to make responsible decisions or risk terrorizing their kids.

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"My dream is to leave my country and become an American citizen so that I can become a drug addict and burden the economy," said no immigrant ever.

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How is this not terrorizing really young kids?

Their parents are to blame for this. I feel for the kids because they don't have a choice, they're collateral damage. The parents? I don't feel bad for them at all. Actions have consequences and the adults need to make responsible decisions or risk terrorizing their kids.

Do you know what the conditions are some of these families are leaving? There's a good chance that trying to cross the US border was a responsible decision given what they were escaping.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

I would like to know more about these conditions they are fleeing.
How could living conditions be dangerous in a socialist paradise?
And why do they vote for the exact same conditions when they come here?
Maybe after they turn Texas into Honduras, they can apply for asylum in Oklahoma.

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This executive order will not stand up to court challenge, if challenged.

The work isn't done.  It's till the responsibility of Congress (who wrote the atrocity of law to begin with) to fix the law.

This is also why executive order wasn't the initial step.  It's not viable.

Hopefully, the EO will be challenged and struck down.  Only then would the Democrats be exposed for the obstructionists they have been all along regarding immigration reform.  They've already begun to pivot on the EO itself - they were given what they wanted and still can't give him credit for action they themselves aren't willing to take.

Congress will be interesting to watch.  It's about to get real regarding who truly wants to help "the children" and their spin for inaction.  Because, it's the only single thing they've got (which isn't even an issue that favors them - the majority sides with Trump and Democrats simply can't be honest about the true problems with current immigration law) to try to exploit in November.

Why do you think it will get struck down? If I'm not mistaken, this hinges on a Judge Gee granting them an exemption from the Flores settlement. If she shoots it down, I expect Trump to shift the blame to her and continue following her previous ruling. If she grants the exemption, Trump will be allowed to detain children with their parents for longer than 20 days. Trump is well within his rights as this executive order is written, so long as he follows the Judge's ruling on the matter.

It's quite simple - you can't change the law with executive order.

If challenged, it's not likely to pass scrutiny.  It will be kept alive and judge shopped until they find their desired result.

This President has been challenged and pushed merely for winning an election.  There are those who will challenge this out of spite as well.  Again, it's got to last until November - otherwise there's nothing to run against him with.

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Once again the Democrats take the unpopular side

They just can't help themselves.  All they had to do is stay sane... and they simply can't do it.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c...ren_crisis

"When families are arrested and separated after attempting to enter the United States illegally, 54% of Likely U.S. Voters say the parents are more to blame for breaking the law. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that only 35% believe the federal government is more to blame for enforcing the law. Eleven percent (11%) are not sure."

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

And predictably, there are no apologies or criticism of the lies of the MSM by the left...

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

I thought as much.  When the initial hysteria started the words arrested & illegal entry were committed.  As the country comes to realize we are only talking about those who broke the law then this initial wave of pearl clutching will reverse.

I disagree.  The radicals on the left will double down on the lunacy.  They ALWAYS do.  Look at those here, there's never an apology or epiphany moment where they realize they were wrong on anything.

But yes, I do realize it's possible for the open minded and level headed to come to the realization they have been lied to and agenda pushed on them.  At the core, we are independent people as a country.  Those who are truly independent will see the fraud and reject the nonsense.  I refuse to believe there aren't a great deal of us in the middle who will come around if they haven't already.  There's probably a fringe minority on the left that's capable of that as well.

The biggest problem with the modern left, is that they've moved so extremely far left... the place more and more people to their right.  The'll run out of friends and support soon enough because they simply can't help themselves.  That's the problem with playing victim.  You recuse yourself from all responsibility and demand someone else fix your problems.  Putting that into perspective, it's easy to see why the left doesn't realize the flaws of their worldview.  Why should they straighten out their flawed perspective when it's everyone else's fault and responsibility to fix for them?

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Their parents are to blame for this. I feel for the kids because they don't have a choice, they're collateral damage. The parents? I don't feel bad for them at all. Actions have consequences and the adults need to make responsible decisions or risk terrorizing their kids.

Do you know what the conditions are some of these families are leaving? There's a good chance that trying to cross the US border was a responsible decision given what they were escaping.

I’d like to know what these conditions were, what countries they freely migrated through and how many foreign consulates they passed along the way? There is nothing responsible about illegal crossing.

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Their parents are to blame for this. I feel for the kids because they don't have a choice, they're collateral damage. The parents? I don't feel bad for them at all. Actions have consequences and the adults need to make responsible decisions or risk terrorizing their kids.

Do you know what the conditions are some of these families are leaving? There's a good chance that trying to cross the US border was a responsible decision given what they were escaping.

Who knew Mexico was a 3rd world hellhole?

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

(e) The Attorney General shall promptly file a request with the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California to modify the Settlement Agreement in Flores v. Sessions, CV 85-4544 (“Flores settlement”), in a manner that would permit the Secretary, under present resource constraints, to detain alien families together throughout the pendency of criminal proceedings for improper entry or any removal or other immigration proceedings.

Sec. 4. Prioritization of Immigration Proceedings Involving Alien Families. The Attorney General shall, to the extent practicable, prioritize the adjudication of cases involving detained families.

Sec. 5. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:

(i) the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or

(ii) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.

(b) This order shall be implemented in a manner consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.

I am not sure I agree with you. The court issued a mandate. This provision in the executive order says his administration will ask the settlement agreement to be modified. There may be a small window in which he is "making law," but that will immediately go away if the judge modifies her ruling and there would be no reason to see this as an unconstitutional EO. If the judge refuses to modify it, I would suspect that Trump will try to shift the blame to her, but he'd need to go back to separating families to be in compliance (again, then there'd be no reason to challenge this EO). If she stalls (which would be the political move is necessary for his EO to be challenged), then his EO will be unconstitutional. If she refuses and he continues to keep families together, he will be in violation of the law. 
Here is the reason given for challenging this executive order: 

Ferguson said the lawsuit brought by Washington and the other states will take the position that Trump's executive order is meaningless because it depends on passage of a Congressional appropriation that might not happen, as well as a judge's ruling to change the Flores decree.

"We do not think a judge is going to significantly alter that settlement," Ferguson said. 

Maybe I'm splitting hairs, but they are not saying it's unconstitutional because he's making law, but because it's depends on either a ruling from a judge or a congressional law to make it official. I would expect Trump to go back to doing things the way they were before, only this time he'll have a scapegoat, so to speak. In other words, it's a PR stunt if neither group acts, and he can absolve himself from not trying to do something about it, while claiming congress and the courts were being obstructionist.

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The reason I believe it can be struck is for the same reason the previous administration's EO was struck. The law is the law. EOs can't change the law. That's not the job of the executive branch, who simply executes law. That's the job of Congress who makes law.

Congress is being obstructionist, that is fact - not opinion. It's their job to create laws - or in this case, fix them if they are flawed. They've done nothing. So EO was the only political route, albiet extremely flawed as that's not the way law works.

Trump was never to "blame" for any of this. It just made for fodder for political attack, which is truly all the left has. For every solution, they have a problem. They're just hoping to pump life back into this so it sticks around until November. Which is ironic, since they're on the losing end of it.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Their parents are to blame for this. I feel for the kids because they don't have a choice, they're collateral damage. The parents? I don't feel bad for them at all. Actions have consequences and the adults need to make responsible decisions or risk terrorizing their kids.

Do you know what the conditions are some of these families are leaving? There's a good chance that trying to cross the US border was a responsible decision given what they were escaping.

I do understand it, yes, but they're still breaking the law. Knowingly. There was a time in my life I could either go hungry or steal food to eat. I had a choice to make and if I stole food then I had to be prepared to face the consequences of being caught. It's not that I don't care about the plight of these folks, they lead a much harder life than I do and I feel for them, but you can't break the law and expect to be "rewarded" with sanctuary. You do it legally the way you should and you don't have to worry about this crap.

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Do you know what the conditions are some of these families are leaving? There's a good chance that trying to cross the US border was a responsible decision given what they were escaping.

I do understand it, yes, but they're still breaking the law. Knowingly. There was a time in my life I could either go hungry or steal food to eat. I had a choice to make and if I stole food then I had to be prepared to face the consequences of being caught. It's not that I don't care about the plight of these folks, they lead a much harder life than I do and I feel for them, but you can't break the law and expect to be "rewarded" with sanctuary. You do it legally the way you should and you don't have to worry about this crap. 50 years

When a parent decides the threat to his or her family's life is worth a treacherous trip to a country where they may be separated, why can't more empathy and compassion be shown by us, the people with the much more fortunate life.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

I do understand it, yes, but they're still breaking the law. Knowingly. There was a time in my life I could either go hungry or steal food to eat. I had a choice to make and if I stole food then I had to be prepared to face the consequences of being caught. It's not that I don't care about the plight of these folks, they lead a much harder life than I do and I feel for them, but you can't break the law and expect to be "rewarded" with sanctuary. You do it legally the way you should and you don't have to worry about this crap. 50 years

When a parent decides the threat to his or her family's life is worth a treacherous trip to a country where they may be separated, why can't more empathy and compassion be shown by us, the people with the much more fortunate life.

It's not compassion to give away other people's money.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

When a parent decides the threat to his or her family's life is worth a treacherous trip to a country where they may be separated, why can't more empathy and compassion be shown by us, the people with the much more fortunate life.

It's not compassion to give away other people's money.

May I interpret this to mean you have no compassion for anyone fleeing a clear and present threat of death, forced gang membership, rape, and sexual exploitation of their families?

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley