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After One (1) Week of Training camp...

#1

What are your thoughts on what has transpired to this point?

Who has stood out to you-good or bad?

Who has you the most excited?  Most disappointed?  Most concerned?

Here are some of my thoughts (tainted though they may be at the lack of in person exposure to this group):

1.  I think one of the things that excites me the most is the WR position.  Even though Lee and Moncrief are out due to injuries, the receivers show a lot of positive signs.  By all accounts, Cole has improved a great deal.  Chark has looked like a steal.  The competition for the 6th WR spot has been fierce, with Wynn, Mickens, Greene and Lazard all showing very good things.

2.  By the same token, I think defensive back has also been an area that has shown promise at the bottom of the depth chart.  The players seem genuinely excited about Harrison.  Quentin Meeks-a player that many on here were excited about when we signed him as an UDFA-seems to have justified the excitement, making several plays.  Tyler Patmon has been pretty good in Ramsey's absence, with the exception of being beaten for short TD passes by the smaller, quicker Wynn.  There is another guy I am forgetting now.  My apologies.

3.  The offensive line has been strangely quiet for lack of better phrasing...and I think that's a good thing.  Aside from Ngakoue-armed with a new pass rush moved learned from Von Miller-abusing Parnell, and the guy that Taven Bryan abused on the first day, you haven't seen or heard of too many instances where the OL was not up to the challenge against a deep and talented DL.  Health permitting, I think this looks like another really strong group.

4.  Haven't been too many negative reports about Bortles so far this camp, which is a welcome relief from the aftermath of that five INT practice last year.  Sadly, I can't say I have been too impressed with Tanner Lee.

5.  Though I have heard our 4th round pick Richardson and our other 7th round pick Jacobs have both looked good, I have not seen anything of them.  I've seen Jacobs on the field and he looks big, but when the plays started my focus went elsewhere.  Though these reports are encouraging, I am eager to get extended looks.

6.  Bryan has flashed both good and bad, which is sort of what I expected.  But as I've said before, I think this is a good spot for him to develop slowly.  As for the returners, I am very encouraged by what I see as a whole.  Aside from Ngakoue's new move-which should make him a lethal pass rusher if these early results are any indication.  I've heard very good things about Dareus' conditioning and athleticism.  If he is focused and in shape, contrary to what those lawsuits might lead one to believe, that certainly bodes well for the defense.  I expect Malik Jackson to continue his high level of play, and if Campbell can put off decline for another year, that front four should be awesome.  Hopefully, Fowler can get healthy, remain focused and motivated for a big contract year, and Ngakoue taught him that move he learned from Miller.  I expect Abry Jones to be a valuable part of the DL rotation, as will Ankou, who was banged up earlier today.  Only question for me out of this group is Smoot.

7.  Given how so many positions look really good, not only am I compelled to laud Dave Caldwell and TC, but the coaching staff overall.  Between OC Hackett, QB Coach Scott Milanovich, WRs coach Keenan McCardell, OL Coach Flaherty, DL Coach Marion Hobby, secondary coach Perry Fewell, LBs coach Mark Collins, RBs coach Tyrone Wheatley, TE's coach Ron Middleton, and all of the other assistants I didn't name, it seems each and every area of the team will be an asset, thanks in no small part to their teachings.

I know from the outside looking in, this post seems to reek of homerism.  But to me, this team honestly looks so much better at this point than it has in years' past, I know of no other way to describe what I've seen and heard, whether through personal observation, through the twitter reports, newspaper articles, or radio talk show hosts, or other posters.

We have a really good team here.  A serious contender.

Let's appreciate it, folks.
 

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(This post was last modified: 08-02-2018, 06:41 PM by imtheblkranger.)

Most Impressed: I agree on the WRs. From a position group we weren't too sure on anyone stepping up, it seems we have a multitude of guys who can take over at any time. God forbid we lose a WR or two, we have great depth to take over.

Most Concerned: Probably OL depth. The back ups have seemed to be getting abused quite a bit, albeit we have a great DL, but if we lose a lineman for any time, we could have an issue.

I'm really interested in that SAM backer position. It seems like its Jacob's job to lose which is impressive for a 7th round guy. Also very interested to see how Hackett gets our more athletic TEs involved now. ASJ could have a huge impact.

Biggest takeaway, this team looks poised to make a run, and it's so satisfying after the past 10 years.
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#3

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(08-02-2018, 06:25 PM)Bullseye Wrote: What are your thoughts on what has transpired to this point?

Who has stood out to you-good or bad?

Who has you the most excited?  Most disappointed?  Most concerned?

Here are some of my thoughts (tainted though they may be at the lack of in person exposure to this group):

1.  I think one of the things that excites me the most is the WR position.  Even though Lee and Moncrief are out due to injuries, the receivers show a lot of positive signs.  By all accounts, Cole has improved a great deal.  Chark has looked like a steal.  The competition for the 6th WR spot has been fierce, with Wynn, Mickens, Greene and Lazard all showing very good things.

2.  By the same token, I think defensive back has also been an area that has shown promise at the bottom of the depth chart.  The players seem genuinely excited about Harrison.  Quentin Meeks-a player that many on here were excited about when we signed him as an UDFA-seems to have justified the excitement, making several plays.  Tyler Patmon has been pretty good in Ramsey's absence, with the exception of being beaten for short TD passes by the smaller, quicker Wynn.  There is another guy I am forgetting now.  My apologies.

3.  The offensive line has been strangely quiet for lack of better phrasing...and I think that's a good thing.  Aside from Ngakoue-armed with a new pass rush moved learned from Von Miller-abusing Parnell, and the guy that Taven Bryan abused on the first day, you haven't seen or heard of too many instances where the OL was not up to the challenge against a deep and talented DL.  Health permitting, I think this looks like another really strong group.

4.  Haven't been too many negative reports about Bortles so far this camp, which is a welcome relief from the aftermath of that five INT practice last year.  Sadly, I can't say I have been too impressed with Tanner Lee.

5.  Though I have heard our 4th round pick Richardson and our other 7th round pick Jacobs have both looked good, I have not seen anything of them.  I've seen Jacobs on the field and he looks big, but when the plays started my focus went elsewhere.  Though these reports are encouraging, I am eager to get extended looks.

6.  Bryan has flashed both good and bad, which is sort of what I expected.  But as I've said before, I think this is a good spot for him to develop slowly.  As for the returners, I am very encouraged by what I see as a whole.  Aside from Ngakoue's new move-which should make him a lethal pass rusher if these early results are any indication.  I've heard very good things about Dareus' conditioning and athleticism.  If he is focused and in shape, contrary to what those lawsuits might lead one to believe, that certainly bodes well for the defense.  I expect Malik Jackson to continue his high level of play, and if Campbell can put off decline for another year, that front four should be awesome.  Hopefully, Fowler can get healthy, remain focused and motivated for a big contract year, and Ngakoue taught him that move he learned from Miller.  I expect Abry Jones to be a valuable part of the DL rotation, as will Ankou, who was banged up earlier today.  Only question for me out of this group is Smoot.

7.  Given how so many positions look really good, not only am I compelled to laud Dave Caldwell and TC, but the coaching staff overall.  Between OC Hackett, QB Coach Scott Milanovich, WRs coach Keenan McCardell, OL Coach Flaherty, DL Coach Marion Hobby, secondary coach Perry Fewell, LBs coach Mark Collins, RBs coach Tyrone Wheatley, TE's coach Ron Middleton, and all of the other assistants I didn't name, it seems each and every area of the team will be an asset, thanks in no small part to their teachings.

I know from the outside looking in, this post seems to reek of homerism.  But to me, this team honestly looks so much better at this point than it has in years' past, I know of no other way to describe what I've seen and heard, whether through personal observation, through the twitter reports, newspaper articles, or radio talk show hosts, or other posters.

We have a really good team here.  A serious contender.

Let's appreciate it, folks.
Chark seems like he will contribute far more than most expected.  Putting moves on Ramsey and making the catch in the corner of the ends zone with Ramsey all over him was very impressive. Your right on point when you say we have a really good team and It may be more like really really good!  What is so different this year is the depth we have in almost all positions which is so important in a game that is injury prone. 
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#5

I know all the reports about WR are positive and I'm hoping for the best but I think loosing both Allen's is going to cause some growing pain. I think as a fan base we took for granted how good we had it with Allen Robinson and Allen Hurns starting and just don't see any combination we having as strong as those two together. I hope I'm wrong and I haven't seen the first ota or practice so it's just off past experience expectation and pure speculation for me. I do think our ground game is going to be that much stronger we won't need the passing game like in years past but again who knows.
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(08-02-2018, 08:44 PM)EricC85 Wrote: I know all the reports about WR are positive and I'm hoping for the best but I think loosing both Allen's is going to cause some growing pain. I think as a fan base we took for granted how good we had it with Allen Robinson and Allen Hurns starting and just don't see any combination we having as strong as those two together. I hope I'm wrong and I haven't seen the first ota or practice so it's just off past experience expectation and pure speculation for me. I do think our ground game is going to be that much stronger we won't need the passing game like in years past but again who knows.

Well we made it to the AFCCG without ARob and with Hurns missing half the season. I'm not too concerned about them
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#7

(08-02-2018, 08:55 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote:
(08-02-2018, 08:44 PM)EricC85 Wrote: I know all the reports about WR are positive and I'm hoping for the best but I think loosing both Allen's is going to cause some growing pain. I think as a fan base we took for granted how good we had it with Allen Robinson and Allen Hurns starting and just don't see any combination we having as strong as those two together. I hope I'm wrong and I haven't seen the first ota or practice so it's just off past experience expectation and pure speculation for me. I do think our ground game is going to be that much stronger we won't need the passing game like in years past but again who knows.

Well we made it to the AFCCG without ARob and with Hurns missing half the season. I'm not too concerned about them

Yea I get that, but lets not forget last year's schedule was powder puff league compared to this year. We're going to need a lot more offense to get there this year.
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(08-02-2018, 09:03 PM)EricC85 Wrote:
(08-02-2018, 08:55 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: Well we made it to the AFCCG without ARob and with Hurns missing half the season. I'm not too concerned about them

Yea I get that, but lets not forget last year's schedule was powder puff league compared to this year. We're going to need a lot more offense to get there this year.

Not really though. We faced a lot of the best pass defenses last year. I don't think it's going to be quite as hard as you expect. Honestly look at the schedule, there aren't many tough defenses on there.

Philly 
Pitt
Maybe Houston 
Maybe Buffalo
Maybe Tennessee 

That's really it for good defenses we play. And 4 of those teams we played last year.
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(08-02-2018, 06:25 PM)Bullseye Wrote: What are your thoughts on what has transpired to this point?

Who has stood out to you-good or bad?

Who has you the most excited?  Most disappointed?  Most concerned?

Here are some of my thoughts (tainted though they may be at the lack of in person exposure to this group):

1.  I think one of the things that excites me the most is the WR position.  Even though Lee and Moncrief are out due to injuries, the receivers show a lot of positive signs.  By all accounts, Cole has improved a great deal.  Chark has looked like a steal.  The competition for the 6th WR spot has been fierce, with Wynn, Mickens, Greene and Lazard all showing very good things.

2.  By the same token, I think defensive back has also been an area that has shown promise at the bottom of the depth chart.  The players seem genuinely excited about Harrison.  Quentin Meeks-a player that many on here were excited about when we signed him as an UDFA-seems to have justified the excitement, making several plays.  Tyler Patmon has been pretty good in Ramsey's absence, with the exception of being beaten for short TD passes by the smaller, quicker Wynn.  There is another guy I am forgetting now.  My apologies.

3.  The offensive line has been strangely quiet for lack of better phrasing...and I think that's a good thing.  Aside from Ngakoue-armed with a new pass rush moved learned from Von Miller-abusing Parnell, and the guy that Taven Bryan abused on the first day, you haven't seen or heard of too many instances where the OL was not up to the challenge against a deep and talented DL.  Health permitting, I think this looks like another really strong group.

4.  Haven't been too many negative reports about Bortles so far this camp, which is a welcome relief from the aftermath of that five INT practice last year.  Sadly, I can't say I have been too impressed with Tanner Lee.

5.  Though I have heard our 4th round pick Richardson and our other 7th round pick Jacobs have both looked good, I have not seen anything of them.  I've seen Jacobs on the field and he looks big, but when the plays started my focus went elsewhere.  Though these reports are encouraging, I am eager to get extended looks.

6.  Bryan has flashed both good and bad, which is sort of what I expected.  But as I've said before, I think this is a good spot for him to develop slowly.  As for the returners, I am very encouraged by what I see as a whole.  Aside from Ngakoue's new move-which should make him a lethal pass rusher if these early results are any indication.  I've heard very good things about Dareus' conditioning and athleticism.  If he is focused and in shape, contrary to what those lawsuits might lead one to believe, that certainly bodes well for the defense.  I expect Malik Jackson to continue his high level of play, and if Campbell can put off decline for another year, that front four should be awesome.  Hopefully, Fowler can get healthy, remain focused and motivated for a big contract year, and Ngakoue taught him that move he learned from Miller.  I expect Abry Jones to be a valuable part of the DL rotation, as will Ankou, who was banged up earlier today.  Only question for me out of this group is Smoot.

7.  Given how so many positions look really good, not only am I compelled to laud Dave Caldwell and TC, but the coaching staff overall.  Between OC Hackett, QB Coach Scott Milanovich, WRs coach Keenan McCardell, OL Coach Flaherty, DL Coach Marion Hobby, secondary coach Perry Fewell, LBs coach Mark Collins, RBs coach Tyrone Wheatley, TE's coach Ron Middleton, and all of the other assistants I didn't name, it seems each and every area of the team will be an asset, thanks in no small part to their teachings.

I know from the outside looking in, this post seems to reek of homerism.  But to me, this team honestly looks so much better at this point than it has in years' past, I know of no other way to describe what I've seen and heard, whether through personal observation, through the twitter reports, newspaper articles, or radio talk show hosts, or other posters.

We have a really good team here.  A serious contender.

Let's appreciate it, folks.

I believe the cornerback you're forgetting is Tre Herndon, an undrafted free agent. Lageman said today that he has looked better than Meeks. Every year at least 1 undrafted guy seems to shine (Cole, Abry Jones, etc) and Herndon may be that guy this year. Cornerback is a pretty deep position, however, and the Jags will need to keep 5 for him to not be placed on the practice squad. 

As far as other thoughts from the pre-season, I have to believe that this team undoubtably has the potential to get to the Super Bowl. The defense has the most talent of any in team history- by a large margin. They have 6 legitimate All-Pro candidates on that side of the ball. The offense may not be explosive or as talented as the defense, but their running game can be special with the acquisition of Norwell and maturation of Cam Robinson opening up holes for Fournette. The only thing which can get in the way of a potential dream season would be significant injuries to any of the irreplaceable guys on the roster. That would include Bortles, Ramsay, Yannick, Campbell and either Jack or Telvin. It's unrealistic to believe this year's team will have as few key players miss games due to injury as last season, but hopefully none of those 6 players are lost for most of this season.
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Most excited: The Dareus effect! He is a former all pro... he now gets the entire offseason to learn and prepare with the team. The entire defensive line may make the pro bowl. If Dareus plays at a pro bowl level it'll take this defense from great to an all time great health permitting... the thought of having an all time great defense has me EXCITED!!!

Most disappointed: Hard to be disappointed so early in TC. I'd say the absence of Moncrief is disappointing. Also the absence of Niles Paul. Who's TE#2? I am sure Marrone wants to use 2 TE sets a lot, nobody seems to be standing out. That's sort of nit picking though I'll wait till preseason to be disappointed.

Most concerned: Punter. Is Cooke legit? Field position is huge. We will find out in preseason.
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#11

You left out Tre Herndon. By all accounts he looks to be a UDFA steal.
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(This post was last modified: 08-02-2018, 10:21 PM by Upper.)

Taylor Canevari
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The good news is no matter what wide receivers you draft this year... they’re all going to be top 24.

Love,
Training Camp Twitter

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Obviously this has a fantasy football bent to it, but I've been thinking about this tweet the last few days. Are our WRs actually doing really well, or are we just being manipulated by cherry picked tweets and videos that obviously want to drum up hype and get us pumped for the team and this season? Sure seems like there are glowing reports across the league about how every offense is taking steps forward, and we just know that isn't going to be the case. The QB aggregate numbers that some people have been posting after practices haven't been all that great either, so I think I'm going to rein in the offensive excitement a little.

I think we're ultimately going to be in a lot more low scoring slugfests where we're praying the defense bails out a struggling offense with a touchdown or big turnover. Plenty of it because of coaching philosophies obviously, but a lot of it also because I think we're starting to get a little to rosy when it comes to our perception of the leap forward we're expecting for our WR corps and Bortles.
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#13

The nickel is my only real concern.

Well, that and maybe AJ Cann’s run blocking.
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According to Doug Marrone on the radio last evening, the Defense have good chemistry and strong personal bonds.

As for my impressions so far, I think we drafted well. If this season shakes out to be as successful as most of us believe it will be, this team is preparing to win for seasons to come.
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(This post was last modified: 08-03-2018, 09:57 AM by Bullseye.)

(08-02-2018, 06:41 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: Most Impressed: I agree on the WRs. From a position group we weren't too sure on anyone stepping up, it seems we have a multitude of guys who can take over at any time. God forbid we lose a WR or two, we have great depth to take over.

Most Concerned: Probably OL depth. The back ups have seemed to be getting abused quite a bit, albeit we have a great DL, but if we lose a lineman for any time, we could have an issue.

I'm really interested in that SAM backer position. It seems like its Jacob's job to lose which is impressive for a 7th round guy. Also very interested to see how Hackett gets our more athletic TEs involved now. ASJ could have a huge impact.

Biggest takeaway, this team looks poised to make a run, and it's so satisfying after the past 10 years.

I agree with you on the OL depth, even though our depth served us well last year.  With Richardson, we should be deeper at RT.  Wells performed well at LT in spot duty.  The interior 3 depth turned out pretty well.  I just hope they can continue that this year, if/when they are needed.

(08-02-2018, 06:51 PM)dennisp3 Wrote:
(08-02-2018, 06:25 PM)Bullseye Wrote: What are your thoughts on what has transpired to this point?

Who has stood out to you-good or bad?

Who has you the most excited?  Most disappointed?  Most concerned?

Here are some of my thoughts (tainted though they may be at the lack of in person exposure to this group):

1.  I think one of the things that excites me the most is the WR position.  Even though Lee and Moncrief are out due to injuries, the receivers show a lot of positive signs.  By all accounts, Cole has improved a great deal.  Chark has looked like a steal.  The competition for the 6th WR spot has been fierce, with Wynn, Mickens, Greene and Lazard all showing very good things.

2.  By the same token, I think defensive back has also been an area that has shown promise at the bottom of the depth chart.  The players seem genuinely excited about Harrison.  Quentin Meeks-a player that many on here were excited about when we signed him as an UDFA-seems to have justified the excitement, making several plays.  Tyler Patmon has been pretty good in Ramsey's absence, with the exception of being beaten for short TD passes by the smaller, quicker Wynn.  There is another guy I am forgetting now.  My apologies.

3.  The offensive line has been strangely quiet for lack of better phrasing...and I think that's a good thing.  Aside from Ngakoue-armed with a new pass rush moved learned from Von Miller-abusing Parnell, and the guy that Taven Bryan abused on the first day, you haven't seen or heard of too many instances where the OL was not up to the challenge against a deep and talented DL.  Health permitting, I think this looks like another really strong group.

4.  Haven't been too many negative reports about Bortles so far this camp, which is a welcome relief from the aftermath of that five INT practice last year.  Sadly, I can't say I have been too impressed with Tanner Lee.

5.  Though I have heard our 4th round pick Richardson and our other 7th round pick Jacobs have both looked good, I have not seen anything of them.  I've seen Jacobs on the field and he looks big, but when the plays started my focus went elsewhere.  Though these reports are encouraging, I am eager to get extended looks.

6.  Bryan has flashed both good and bad, which is sort of what I expected.  But as I've said before, I think this is a good spot for him to develop slowly.  As for the returners, I am very encouraged by what I see as a whole.  Aside from Ngakoue's new move-which should make him a lethal pass rusher if these early results are any indication.  I've heard very good things about Dareus' conditioning and athleticism.  If he is focused and in shape, contrary to what those lawsuits might lead one to believe, that certainly bodes well for the defense.  I expect Malik Jackson to continue his high level of play, and if Campbell can put off decline for another year, that front four should be awesome.  Hopefully, Fowler can get healthy, remain focused and motivated for a big contract year, and Ngakoue taught him that move he learned from Miller.  I expect Abry Jones to be a valuable part of the DL rotation, as will Ankou, who was banged up earlier today.  Only question for me out of this group is Smoot.

7.  Given how so many positions look really good, not only am I compelled to laud Dave Caldwell and TC, but the coaching staff overall.  Between OC Hackett, QB Coach Scott Milanovich, WRs coach Keenan McCardell, OL Coach Flaherty, DL Coach Marion Hobby, secondary coach Perry Fewell, LBs coach Mark Collins, RBs coach Tyrone Wheatley, TE's coach Ron Middleton, and all of the other assistants I didn't name, it seems each and every area of the team will be an asset, thanks in no small part to their teachings.

I know from the outside looking in, this post seems to reek of homerism.  But to me, this team honestly looks so much better at this point than it has in years' past, I know of no other way to describe what I've seen and heard, whether through personal observation, through the twitter reports, newspaper articles, or radio talk show hosts, or other posters.

We have a really good team here.  A serious contender.

Let's appreciate it, folks.
Chark seems like he will contribute far more than most expected.  Putting moves on Ramsey and making the catch in the corner of the ends zone with Ramsey all over him was very impressive. Your right on point when you say we have a really good team and It may be more like really really good!  What is so different this year is the depth we have in almost all positions which is so important in a game that is injury prone. 
Go JAGS

That TD on the slant against Ramsey was good, but I would think under normal circumstances he would be jammed at the LOS.  While I doubt most corners he would face are anywhere near as good as Ramsey, I do want to see him escape the jam, especially against a big, physical CB.  The New Orleans and Minnesota preseason practices and games will be good preseason tests to see how far or WRs have come.  Both of those teams have outstanding defenses overall and secondaries in particular.
 

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(08-02-2018, 08:44 PM)EricC85 Wrote: I know all the reports about WR are positive and I'm hoping for the best but I think loosing both Allen's is going to cause some growing pain. I think as a fan base we took for granted how good we had it with Allen Robinson and Allen Hurns starting and just don't see any combination we having as strong as those two together. I hope I'm wrong and I haven't seen the first ota or practice so it's just off past experience expectation and pure speculation for me. I do think our ground game is going to be that much stronger we won't need the passing game like in years past but again who knows.

I would be more concerned about these adjustments if Hurns and Arob played all last year and both left as FA/Cuts.  But the young guys like Westbrook and Cole got a lot of playing time and experience last year.

Now on a pure talent level, I don't think Westbrook and Cole are as talented as Hurns and ARob.  Chark may be as talented as those two, but that remains to be seen.  But I think with overall speed and experience, the transition won't be as extreme.
 

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(08-03-2018, 09:54 AM)Bullseye Wrote:
(08-02-2018, 06:41 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: Most Impressed: I agree on the WRs. From a position group we weren't too sure on anyone stepping up, it seems we have a multitude of guys who can take over at any time. God forbid we lose a WR or two, we have great depth to take over.

Most Concerned: Probably OL depth. The back ups have seemed to be getting abused quite a bit, albeit we have a great DL, but if we lose a lineman for any time, we could have an issue.

I'm really interested in that SAM backer position. It seems like its Jacob's job to lose which is impressive for a 7th round guy. Also very interested to see how Hackett gets our more athletic TEs involved now. ASJ could have a huge impact.

Biggest takeaway, this team looks poised to make a run, and it's so satisfying after the past 10 years.

I agree with you on the OL depth, even though our depth served us well last year.  With Richardson, we should be deeper at RT.  Wells performed well at LT in spot duty.  The interior 3 depth turned out pretty well.  I just hope they can continue that this year, if/when they are needed.

(08-02-2018, 06:51 PM)dennisp3 Wrote: Chark seems like he will contribute far more than most expected.  Putting moves on Ramsey and making the catch in the corner of the ends zone with Ramsey all over him was very impressive. Your right on point when you say we have a really good team and It may be more like really really good!  What is so different this year is the depth we have in almost all positions which is so important in a game that is injury prone. 
Go JAGS

That TD on the slant against Ramsey was good, but I would think under normal circumstances he would be jammed at the LOS.  While I doubt most corners he would face are anywhere near as good as Ramsey, I do want to see him escape the jam, especially against a big, physical CB.  The New Orleans and Minnesota preseason practices and games will be good preseason tests to see how far or WRs have come.  Both of those teams have outstanding defenses overall and secondaries in particular.

Are we practicing against NO? I remember Minnesota was scheduled but I must have missed the NO one. I like it.
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(08-02-2018, 09:03 PM)EricC85 Wrote:
(08-02-2018, 08:55 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: Well we made it to the AFCCG without ARob and with Hurns missing half the season. I'm not too concerned about them

Yea I get that, but lets not forget last year's schedule was powder puff league compared to this year. We're going to need a lot more offense to get there this year.

When we did play what were considered to be good teams, we did pretty well.

I still say we lack the stud WR/TE that causes teams to change their game plans to neutralize.

But the receivers came up decently against Seattle, Pittsburgh and New England.

(08-03-2018, 10:04 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote:
(08-03-2018, 09:54 AM)Bullseye Wrote: I agree with you on the OL depth, even though our depth served us well last year.  With Richardson, we should be deeper at RT.  Wells performed well at LT in spot duty.  The interior 3 depth turned out pretty well.  I just hope they can continue that this year, if/when they are needed.


That TD on the slant against Ramsey was good, but I would think under normal circumstances he would be jammed at the LOS.  While I doubt most corners he would face are anywhere near as good as Ramsey, I do want to see him escape the jam, especially against a big, physical CB.  The New Orleans and Minnesota preseason practices and games will be good preseason tests to see how far or WRs have come.  Both of those teams have outstanding defenses overall and secondaries in particular.

Are we practicing against NO? I remember Minnesota was scheduled but I must have missed the NO one. I like it.
My apologies for being unclear.

To my knowledge we are NOT practicing against NO.

I was trying to be economical in my phrasing and wound up being inaccurate.  Mea culpa!
 

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(08-03-2018, 10:10 AM)Bullseye Wrote:
(08-02-2018, 09:03 PM)EricC85 Wrote: Yea I get that, but lets not forget last year's schedule was powder puff league compared to this year. We're going to need a lot more offense to get there this year.

When we did play what were considered to be good teams, we did pretty well.

I still say we lack the stud WR/TE that causes teams to change their game plans to neutralize.

But the receivers came up decently against Seattle, Pittsburgh and New England.

(08-03-2018, 10:04 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: Are we practicing against NO? I remember Minnesota was scheduled but I must have missed the NO one. I like it.
My apologies for being unclear.

To my knowledge we are NOT practicing against NO.

I was trying to be economical in my phrasing and wound up being inaccurate.  Mea culpa!

I gotcha. No worries. I'm actually surprised we're not, given Marrone and Payton's history.
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(08-02-2018, 09:15 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote:
(08-02-2018, 09:03 PM)EricC85 Wrote: Yea I get that, but lets not forget last year's schedule was powder puff league compared to this year. We're going to need a lot more offense to get there this year.

Not really though. We faced a lot of the best pass defenses last year. I don't think it's going to be quite as hard as you expect. Honestly look at the schedule, there aren't many tough defenses on there.

Philly 
Pitt
Maybe Houston 
Maybe Buffalo
Maybe Tennessee 

That's really it for good defenses we play. And 4 of those teams we played last year.
I would add Houston as a definite.  They have made some good moves in the secondary this offseason.  They added Colvin, who knows our offense.  They added Honey Badger, who is slowed by knee injuries but is still a savvy vet capable of making a good play.  They drafted Reid in the 3rd round-a good S prospect.  Finally they moved Kareem Jackson to S-I think that was a very good move.  While I don't think Watt will ever return to his heyday of 20 sacks a season, even if he is just an average guy from here on out, Clowney and Mercilus are still good pass rushers, and with Crennell running the defense, I think they will be better than they were from a coaching perspective with Vrabel.

I would add Buffalo into the definite category.  I would say Tredavious White is the second best young CB in the AFC behind Ramsey.  To me, he was a big part of why we only scored 10 in the playoff game.  I think Edmunds has the size and speed to be special in McDermott's schemes (remember, he coached Kuechly at one point).  My only questions regarding Buffalo's defense are what are they going to do for an outside pass rush (I know they signed Murphy, but I don't see him as a dominant pass rusher.) and will they get enough support from their offense?

Tennessee always gives us problems for whatever reason.  For them, I would add to the definite category, but they have the same pass rush question mark as Buffalo.  We'll see what Landry brings to the table for them. 

From a talent perspective, I would not consider New England.  However, Belichick has long been a defensive genius and has formulated game plans that shut down Montana and Manning at their peaks.  From a talent perspective, I would consider the Giants more of a threat.  I think it's good for us they are transitioning to a 3-4 scheme and we play them early on, so they still may not fully grasp it until later on.

But because our guys are more experienced now, both in the scheme and in terms of reading coverages, etc., and with the improvement that Norwell is going to bring to the OL, I think we are better equipped to handle a tougher array of defenses.

(08-02-2018, 09:58 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: Most excited: The Dareus effect! He is a former all pro... he now gets the entire offseason to learn and prepare with the team. The entire defensive line may make the pro bowl. If Dareus plays at a pro bowl level it'll take this defense from great to an all time great health permitting... the thought of having an all time great defense has me EXCITED!!!

Most disappointed: Hard to be disappointed so early in TC. I'd say the absence of Moncrief is disappointing. Also the absence of Niles Paul. Who's TE#2? I am sure Marrone wants to use 2 TE sets a lot, nobody seems to be standing out. That's sort of nit picking though I'll wait till preseason to be disappointed.

Most concerned: Punter. Is Cooke legit? Field position is huge. We will find out in preseason.

I've been hearing on the radio they've been using Niles Paul quite a bit in the passing game.

I admit I did not notice him when I was out there, but I wasn't exactly looking for him either.
 

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