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Mueller team lectured by judge in Manafort case

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(08-02-2018, 07:42 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:
(08-02-2018, 07:17 PM)rollerjag Wrote: Do you think Manafort is innocent?

You worried about Mullers group of angry democrats screwing up the trial? Looks like they have a real judge who isn't going to take their crap. 

Democrats screw up everything they touch, so this this should be no different.

Classic deflection.
You might be smarter than us but you're not that much smarter.
You didn't answer because you know that the answer makes you feel bad and might make you look bad.
You would rather take revenge by saying something that you hope will make the other person feel bad.
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(08-02-2018, 08:56 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(08-02-2018, 07:42 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: You worried about Mullers group of angry democrats screwing up the trial? Looks like they have a real judge who isn't going to take their crap. 

Democrats screw up everything they touch, so this this should be no different.

Classic deflection.
You might be smarter than us but you're not that much smarter.
You didn't answer because you know that the answer makes you feel bad and might make you look bad.
You would rather take revenge by saying something that you hope will make the other person feel bad.

The truth is, I couldn't care less about a guy who worked for the Trump campaign less than 100 days. The entire thing is a joke. Can any level headed person honestly support a 300+ year sentence for the crimes he is accused of? He is being squeezed for information he doesn't even have, and doesn't even exist. Every American should think what is happening is disgusting.
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#23

(08-02-2018, 08:47 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:
(08-02-2018, 08:27 PM)rollerjag Wrote: You didn't answer a question not asked of you. This message board stuff isn't that hard.

"group of angry democrats"? Polly want a cracker?

Keep focusing on that 15k ostrich coat. I'll answer your unasked question. Being rich is not a crime. Good luck in your continued witch hunt.

I couldn't care less about Manafort's choice of clothing, he's not on trial for being rich, but on how he got rich.

If it's a witch hunt, it's because there are witches. 

While you're keeping your head in the sand, your skin is getting taken for another coat.

I'll wait on your next re-Tweet.
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(08-02-2018, 09:19 PM)rollerjag Wrote:
(08-02-2018, 08:47 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Keep focusing on that 15k ostrich coat. I'll answer your unasked question. Being rich is not a crime. Good luck in your continued witch hunt.

I couldn't care less about Manafort's choice of clothing, he's not on trial for being rich, but on how he got rich.

If it's a witch hunt, it's because there are witches. 

While you're keeping your head in the sand, your skin is getting taken for another coat.

I'll wait on your next re-Tweet.

So, it takes a special council to go after an alleged tax crime that took place over a decade ago? It's a witch hunt.
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(08-02-2018, 09:24 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:
(08-02-2018, 09:19 PM)rollerjag Wrote: I couldn't care less about Manafort's choice of clothing, he's not on trial for being rich, but on how he got rich.

If it's a witch hunt, it's because there are witches. 

While you're keeping your head in the sand, your skin is getting taken for another coat.

I'll wait on your next re-Tweet.

So, it takes a special council to go after an alleged tax crime that took place over a decade ago? It's a witch hunt.

When the current attorney general was also a consultant for that campaign, he has to recuse himself from the investigation. When a prosecutor recuses themselves a special or alternative council is appointed. It might have nothing to do with the severity of the crimes being investigated, only that there was a possible perception of conflict of interest.
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(08-02-2018, 07:17 PM)rollerjag Wrote:
(08-01-2018, 04:42 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: They got a full metric [BLEEP] load of nuthin.

Do you think Manafort is innocent?

He's guilty of nothing related to Donald Trump and Russian collusion, which was the point of the investigation.
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#27

(08-02-2018, 11:37 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(08-02-2018, 07:17 PM)rollerjag Wrote: Do you think Manafort is innocent?

He's guilty of nothing related to Donald Trump and Russian collusion, which was the point of the investigation.

This all goes back to incompetent Sessions and his weenie deputy. Sessions was the one major mistake Trump has made.
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Judge Ellis Loses Patience with Mueller Prosecutors and Ends Court Early Over Screw-Up

https://lawandcrime.com/awkward/judge-el...-screw-up/
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#29

Trumps brilliant legal team is forcing Lurch's hand. Is Lurch dumb enough to: A. Subpoena Trump? B. Take it to the SCOTUS where he knows it will lose based on that little document called the Constitution?

Private lawyers > Partisan Democratic lawyers payed by you and I.
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(This post was last modified: 08-09-2018, 06:35 PM by jj82284.)

(08-02-2018, 09:39 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(08-02-2018, 09:24 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: So, it takes a special council to go after an alleged tax crime that took place over a decade ago? It's a witch hunt.

When the current attorney general was also a consultant for that campaign, he has to recuse himself from the investigation. When a prosecutor recuses themselves a special or alternative council is appointed. It might have nothing to do with the severity of the crimes being investigated, only that there was a possible perception of conflict of interest.

Not true.  Had that been the case then Mueller (who has greater conflicts of interest than sessions) would have been appointed the day sessions too office not after a planted news hook.

(08-02-2018, 11:49 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:
(08-02-2018, 11:37 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: He's guilty of nothing related to Donald Trump and Russian collusion, which was the point of the investigation.

This all goes back to incompetent Sessions and his weenie deputy. Sessions was the one major mistake Trump has made.

Epic fail....  Like monster..... Like !#%\

(08-09-2018, 08:36 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Trumps brilliant legal team is forcing Lurch's hand. Is Lurch dumb enough to: A. Subpoena Trump? B. Take it to the SCOTUS where he knows it will lose based on that little document called the Constitution?

Private lawyers > Partisan Democratic lawyers payed by you and I.

They better confirm Cavanaugh.  4-4 can't overturn a lower court ruling.
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#31

(08-09-2018, 06:33 PM)jj82284 Wrote:
(08-02-2018, 09:39 PM)mikesez Wrote: When the current attorney general was also a consultant for that campaign, he has to recuse himself from the investigation. When a prosecutor recuses themselves a special or alternative council is appointed. It might have nothing to do with the severity of the crimes being investigated, only that there was a possible perception of conflict of interest.

Not true.  Had that been the case then Mueller (who has greater conflicts of interest than sessions) would have been appointed the day sessions too office not after a planted news hook.

1) Mueller used to be a member of one of Trump's golf clubs almost a decade ago. Im not aware of any other "conflict of interest" Mueller might have. Are there any others? Because that strikes me as minor.

2) Sessions actually did consulting work, reporting to Manafort, in 2016.  Much stronger conflict.
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#32

(08-10-2018, 06:37 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(08-09-2018, 06:33 PM)jj82284 Wrote: Not true.  Had that been the case then Mueller (who has greater conflicts of interest than sessions) would have been appointed the day sessions too office not after a planted news hook.

1) Mueller used to be a member of one of Trump's golf clubs almost a decade ago. Im not aware of any other "conflict of interest" Mueller might have. Are there any others? Because that strikes me as minor.

2) Sessions actually did consulting work, reporting to Manafort, in 2016.  Much stronger conflict.

One could consider Trump giving Mueller the boot from being the FBI director candidate then him being appointed to head the special council a few days later a conflict.
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#33

(08-02-2018, 11:37 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(08-02-2018, 07:17 PM)rollerjag Wrote: Do you think Manafort is innocent?

He's guilty of nothing related to Donald Trump and Russian collusion, which was the point of the investigation.

That doesn't mean he shouldn't be on trial. I asked if you think he's innocent.

The Whitewater investigation resulted in impeachment over a lie having nothing to do with Whitewater. Was Kenneth Starr conducting a witch hunt?
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#34

(08-10-2018, 10:14 AM)rollerjag Wrote:
(08-02-2018, 11:37 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: He's guilty of nothing related to Donald Trump and Russian collusion, which was the point of the investigation.

That doesn't mean he shouldn't be on trial. I asked if you think he's innocent.

The Whitewater investigation resulted in impeachment over a lie having nothing to do with Whitewater. Was Kenneth Starr conducting a witch hunt?


As I said, he's innocent of what Mueller was assigned to investigate. I don't particularly care for any special counsels that are given free range to prosecute activities unrelated to their mandate. Starr was investigating abuse of power, something that included Clinton's proclivities to abuse his female subordinates, so I think that was within scope.
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(This post was last modified: 08-10-2018, 01:25 PM by mikesez.)

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(08-10-2018, 10:31 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(08-10-2018, 10:14 AM)rollerjag Wrote: That doesn't mean he shouldn't be on trial. I asked if you think he's innocent.

The Whitewater investigation resulted in impeachment over a lie having nothing to do with Whitewater. Was Kenneth Starr conducting a witch hunt?


As I said, he's innocent of what Mueller was assigned to investigate. I don't particularly care for any special counsels that are given free range to prosecute activities unrelated to their mandate. Starr was investigating abuse of power, something that included Clinton's proclivities to abuse his female subordinates, so I think that was within scope.

What part of "any matter that may arise directly from that investigation" do you not understand?
They sniffed around Manafort to find if he was in with Russians.  Evidence was lacking for that. But very quickly they found out he was a tax cheat, among other things.
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(08-10-2018, 01:24 PM)mikesez Wrote: [
(08-10-2018, 10:31 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: As I said, he's innocent of what Mueller was assigned to investigate. I don't particularly care for any special counsels that are given free range to prosecute activities unrelated to their mandate. Starr was investigating abuse of power, something that included Clinton's proclivities to abuse his female subordinates, so I think that was within scope.

What part of "any matter that may arise directly from that investigation" do you not understand?
They sniffed around Manafort to find if he was in with Russians.  Evidence was lacking for that. But very quickly they found out he was a tax cheat, among other things.

As I said, "I don't particularly care for any special counsels that are given free range to prosecute activities unrelated to their mandate", is that too simple for your hyper-intellect?
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(08-10-2018, 02:43 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(08-10-2018, 01:24 PM)mikesez Wrote: [

What part of "any matter that may arise directly from that investigation" do you not understand?
They sniffed around Manafort to find if he was in with Russians.  Evidence was lacking for that. But very quickly they found out he was a tax cheat, among other things.

As I said, "I don't particularly care for any special counsels that are given free range to prosecute activities unrelated to their mandate", is that too simple for your hyper-intellect?

But I quoted the mandate back to you.
Are you saying the mandate is too vague?
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(08-10-2018, 03:36 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(08-10-2018, 02:43 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: As I said, "I don't particularly care for any special counsels that are given free range to prosecute activities unrelated to their mandate", is that too simple for your hyper-intellect?

But I quoted the mandate back to you.
Are you saying the mandate is too vague?

Yes, I don't like fishing expeditions.
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#39

(08-10-2018, 04:32 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(08-10-2018, 03:36 PM)mikesez Wrote: But I quoted the mandate back to you.
Are you saying the mandate is too vague?

Yes, I don't like fishing expeditions.

I like when the leadership class this country keeps its money in this country and follows the tax laws in this country.
To each their own.
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#40

(08-10-2018, 05:20 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(08-10-2018, 04:32 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Yes, I don't like fishing expeditions.

I like when the leadership class this country keeps its money in this country and follows the tax laws in this country.
To each their own.

Riiiight, better to chase decades old tax questions if it means protecting the Democrats from prosecution.
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