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(08-30-2018, 09:33 PM)Eye of the Storm Wrote:(08-30-2018, 09:20 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: It's like you people don't understand that no one really matters except me. Oh no, I said "you people", I denounce myself for my latent racism. False humility is just a lack of self-awareness, and I'm a Libertarian, we don't need any of you people. Damn, did it again. Edit: Oh no, I seem to have triggered poor Mikie, he's got the vote button out again “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato
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(08-30-2018, 08:22 PM)mikesez Wrote:(08-30-2018, 06:24 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: So you also (along with mikesez) believe that a willingness to physically assault someone smaller makes a person right. No, what you are saying is that there is someone willing to physically assault another person for saying something, whether or not it is an actual insult, and because that person will use physical assault it makes him right to claim it's an insult. "Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"
(08-30-2018, 11:49 AM)MalabarJag Wrote:(08-30-2018, 10:36 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: I agree with the fact that he had not racial intent by his choice of words. And what common ancestor is that?
(08-30-2018, 07:32 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: My kid was in his room singing some song about African-Americans jumping on the bed. I had to tell him that wasn't appropriate, we shouldn't laugh when people fall off and bump their heads. Fortunately they were insured so the Doctor could tell them not to jump on the bed any more. Did their momma call the doctor cause the daddy wasn't there? Definitely racist. (08-30-2018, 01:54 PM)mikesez Wrote: He also called Gillum "articulate" in the same breath. Joe Biden had to apologize for using that word to describe a black person in 2007. Yes, it's improvement, but it's Blaine Gabbert 2012 level improvement. - Pirkster The Home Hypnotist! Media on the Brain Link! Quote:Peyton must store oxygen in that forehead of his. No way I'd still be alive after all that choking. (08-31-2018, 09:46 AM)MalabarJag Wrote:(08-30-2018, 08:22 PM)mikesez Wrote: We are not saying that it's OK to assault people in response to insults. You're not worth it dude. You don't want to understand me. The harder I try to be clear the harder you will try to misread me.
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(08-31-2018, 11:41 AM)mikesez Wrote:(08-31-2018, 09:46 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: I read you clearly. You need to read for yourself what you wrote. "Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"
(08-31-2018, 11:41 AM)mikesez Wrote:(08-31-2018, 09:46 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: We do understand you, clarity doesn't make you right. “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato
(08-30-2018, 06:26 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: So just so I'm clear about this... The FULL QUOTE We’ve got to work hard to make sure we continue Florida going in a good direction. Let’s build off the success we’ve had on Gov. (Rick) Scott. The last thing we need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda with huge tax increases and bankrupting the state.” Never once even mentions his opponent. The only way people can read that as offensive or racist is by wanting to be offended or wanting someone to be racist. The fact that there are people in here actually defending the notion that DeSantis said something wrong or should have known better is the exact reason why this sort of thing happens. People... SHEEPLE... allow it to. To the tool who said "go to a black mechanic" First... eye roll, secondly... if I told a mechanic to not monkey it up, regardless of race, I'm asking for him to find something else wrong with it or to take forever, or to charge me extra. Always be nice to those working on your vehicle and handling your food. Secondly... if I use the term "monkey it up" and someone black assaults me...Hell, if anyone of any color or race assaults me... it just further proves the point that the problem isn't words... it's people and their reactions to them. Someone can call me all sorts of names... wigger, honkey, cracker, [BLEEP], [BLEEP], whatever... it has no actual impact on me or my life... and just shows their ignorance. Why would I get so up in arms over something someone says, especially if it isn't true. But if I get violent over words... how am I a better person? In fact... I'm instantly worse.
Insults are in the eye of the beholder.
If you feel insulted, you get angry, and you want to get away from the person who insulted you, or, maybe, fight them. You certainly don't want to vote for them. If I say something to you, that you take as an insult, for you, it is an insult. You will continue thinking it is an insult until I say, "Oh, I didn't mean it that way." And then you will probably continue feeling angry until I say something like, "I'm sorry. I get how you might have interpreted my words that way. I'll be more careful with what I say from now on." The relationship heals. You might work with me in the future. You might vote for me. If I say something to you, that you take as an insult, and you tell me, "hey! Don't insult me like that!" but I just say "don't be absurd" in reply, what does that indicate? It indicates that I don't care about your feelings and that I think you're absurd. You won't work with me. You won't vote for me. I want DeSantis to win and I want my darker skinned friends and neighbors to be OK with him winning. He needs more votes and more good vibes. He should sincerely apologize for a poor choice of words.
My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.
We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (08-31-2018, 01:46 PM)mikesez Wrote: I want DeSantis to win and I want my darker skinned friends and neighbors to be OK with him winning. He needs more votes and more good vibes. He should sincerely apologize for a poor choice of words. I disagree. An apology is an admittance of wrong doing. He. Did. Nothing. Wrong. If there was a real inference to be made by his words I would agree. People shouldn't get offended by words, imo. To me, it makes you look weak. Mentally. Emotionally. But I get it... there are words and phrases you just shouldn't say. To people. About people. I get it really I do. But until someone actually compares someone to a monkey, or people to monkeys because of a certain thing, I can not make the connection based solely on the word and the opponent. If anything those who take his words out of context to make it about the black man he is running against are much more racist than the white man who told his constituents to not mess something up. For reference mon·key ˈməNGkē/Submit noun 1. a small to medium-sized primate that typically has a long tail, most kinds of which live in trees in tropical countries. 2. a pile-driving machine consisting of a heavy hammer or ram working vertically in a groove. verb 1. behave in a silly or playful way. (08-31-2018, 02:53 PM)Kane Wrote:(08-31-2018, 01:46 PM)mikesez Wrote: I want DeSantis to win and I want my darker skinned friends and neighbors to be OK with him winning. He needs more votes and more good vibes. He should sincerely apologize for a poor choice of words. An apology is NOT an admission of wrong doing. a·pol·o·gy əˈpäləjē/ noun noun: apology; plural noun: apologies 1. a regretful acknowledgment of an offense or failure. Acknowledge that offense was taken, express regret that offense was taken. "I didn't mean for you to feel that way. I'm sorry you feel that way." Again, you should not be putting yourself in DeSantis' shoes here. You are not DeSantis. You are not a candidate. You are a voter, like me. The way candidates should treat voters is different than how we treat our personal friends.
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The when offense business is a farce. The only way to judge someone is based on their clear intent. If he used a phase with some obvious or exclusive racist connotation is one thing. This 'dog whistle' crap is just an excuse to treat anything a conservative says like the n-word.
He has made clear that his statement had no racial basis and any sane reading of the text bears that out. They criticized mitt Romney for adopting A black child!!!
Hey who here remembers when John McCain picked Sarah Palin and the next day Obama said you can't put lipstick on a pig?
How did you feel at that time?
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We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (08-29-2018, 09:08 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:(08-29-2018, 07:44 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: Regarding the first part in bold, yes some people do get "offended" way too easily in today's society. I put it in quotes because some things are twisted to make it appear offensive even though that wasn't the intent. I believe that was the case in this "incident" (non-story).You make a good point. Treat me as an equal, just not too equal?
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(08-31-2018, 05:34 PM)mikesez Wrote: Hey who here remembers when John McCain picked Sarah Palin and the next day Obama said you can't put lipstick on a pig? I don't remember that, but Obama used a common expression. So what? Did the New York Times and CNN make a big deal about it? "Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?" (08-30-2018, 01:04 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:(08-30-2018, 12:57 PM)Kane Wrote: C'mon... I'm well aware of the instances of people using the word monkey to describe black people.I get your point. I got it the third time. I got it from the 6 other people that already made it in this thread. Then how can we ever be equal of we have to treat each other differently?
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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening. (08-31-2018, 08:28 PM)MalabarJag Wrote:(08-31-2018, 05:34 PM)mikesez Wrote: Hey who here remembers when John McCain picked Sarah Palin and the next day Obama said you can't put lipstick on a pig? The McCain campaign did. They demanded an apology. TV news did as well. It was pretty clear that he was calling McCain's policy ideas the pig and Palin the lipstick, so it was not at all a personal insult. Plus it was a common expression. They demanded an apology and did not get one.
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We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (08-31-2018, 08:28 PM)MalabarJag Wrote:(08-31-2018, 05:34 PM)mikesez Wrote: Hey who here remembers when John McCain picked Sarah Palin and the next day Obama said you can't put lipstick on a pig? Isn't "monkey it up" also a common expression?
When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.
(09-01-2018, 08:11 AM)mikesez Wrote:(08-31-2018, 08:28 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: So in one case it was some campaign manager. In the other it was the entire Leftist media. Clearly the same. (09-01-2018, 08:42 AM)Sneakers Wrote:(08-31-2018, 08:28 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: That was my point (part of it anyway). "Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"
Oh my gosh.... Donald Trump.... Rich White Male oppressor. Said Aretha Franklin WORKED FOR HIM.
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