I feel like we telegraphed all of our blitzes during the KC game, and Mahomes was pretty consistent about throwing right at the open spot the blitzer came from.  I suspect that they might have audibled into a screen on a couple of them. 
Don't the Jaguars usually do a better job of disguising their blitz?  Was it due to hard counts from Mahomes, or crowd noise?  Am I imagining this?

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The Jags don't usually blitz. I felt like we blitzed more this game perhaps because Mahomes and Reid planned to get the ball out quick to disrupt our 4 man rush that usually gets home.
I don't know how many blitzes were called but it seemed to be too many in the 2nd half to me. Doesn't seem like our usual game plan.

Really well coached QBs can kill a blitz anytime by throwing right where it comes from. Some of it was probably on our guys showing too much too early but most of it can probably be attributed to a good QB and a really good coach.

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I only saw two blitzes that looked "telegraphed" but they were third downs when pressure is expected.

Not to say there weren't others I didn't notice.

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Watching the game live, I wondered how Mahomes was able to find the open spot a Blitzer vacated. 

No idea what the answer is but it seemed to happen a lot.

I'm not the biggest Wash fan but our blitzes look like every other team I see to me.

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I feel like we telegraphed all of our blitzes during the KC game, and Mahomes was pretty consistent about throwing right at the open spot the blitzer came from.  I suspect that they might have audibled into a screen on a couple of them. 
Don't the Jaguars usually do a better job of disguising their blitz?  Was it due to hard counts from Mahomes, or crowd noise?  Am I imagining this?

no, in fact this team is probably the worst in the league at disguising anything... real talk, they are legit probably the most vanilla defense in the entire league, and we have been since I can remember

we literally line up and say " this is what we are doing, beat it"

that is like the most lazy way to run a defense I have ever seen.  We have INSANE talent, if we had any talent at all from our play caller to confuse teams, change things up, 0 coverage blitz, zone blitzes.... we would be even better and create more turnovers

we have the best man to man corners in the NFL, yet, I hardly ever see us do 0 coverage blitzes, aka rushing 6 and manning up everyone, we have 2 of the fastest LB's in the league to help with this as well.  Our safeties are good in coverage as well

we have the personnel to do so many things and be great at it, but we dont

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I feel like we telegraphed all of our blitzes during the KC game, and Mahomes was pretty consistent about throwing right at the open spot the blitzer came from.  I suspect that they might have audibled into a screen on a couple of them. 
Don't the Jaguars usually do a better job of disguising their blitz?  Was it due to hard counts from Mahomes, or crowd noise?  Am I imagining this?

no, in fact this team is probably the worst in the league at disguising anything... real talk, they are legit probably the most vanilla defense in the entire league, and we have been since I can remember

we literally line up and say " this is what we are doing, beat it"

that is like the most lazy way to run a defense I have ever seen.  We have INSANE talent, if we had any talent at all from our play caller to confuse teams, change things up, 0 coverage blitz, zone blitzes.... we would be even better and create more turnovers

we have the best man to man corners in the NFL, yet, I hardly ever see us do 0 coverage blitzes, aka rushing 6 and manning up everyone, we have 2 of the fastest LB's in the league to help with this as well.  Our safeties are good in coverage as well

we have the personnel to do so many things and be great at it, but we dont

I mostly agree with Krayz here.

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no, in fact this team is probably the worst in the league at disguising anything... real talk, they are legit probably the most vanilla defense in the entire league, and we have been since I can remember

we literally line up and say " this is what we are doing, beat it"

that is like the most lazy way to run a defense I have ever seen.  We have INSANE talent, if we had any talent at all from our play caller to confuse teams, change things up, 0 coverage blitz, zone blitzes.... we would be even better and create more turnovers

we have the best man to man corners in the NFL, yet, I hardly ever see us do 0 coverage blitzes, aka rushing 6 and manning up everyone, we have 2 of the fastest LB's in the league to help with this as well.  Our safeties are good in coverage as well

we have the personnel to do so many things and be great at it, but we dont

I mostly agree with Krayz here.

They've actually done a very nice job disguising safety coverages in the games that they have made it a priority in the game plan.  They've also caught a number of O-linemen completely off guard with stunts and twist a half dozen times this year at least.  The DB blitzes have been a combination of obvious and well-timed. 

Aside from that, it's largely a fairly vanilla defense.  I couldn't care less though.  It's a very effective defense.  They had a few boneheaded plays from Telvin in coverage the other day and a few off coverages from CBs that should have been press. Besides that - the defense was quite good.

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Yes, with that level of talent they probably don't have to rely too much on changing things up. The probably basically do what Krayz said, 'we literally line up and say " this is what we are doing, beat it"'.

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Would everyone trust Wash with only average to below average players and expect a middle of the pack D?

What I'm getting at here is.... is Wash getting the best of the talent at hand or is the talent just too good that whoever is calling plays will look good? Big difference between the two. I'd love to see a much more creativity defense schemer and play caller but that's just me. I feel like anyone from the stands could call coverages for this defense and they'd be successful.

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Would everyone trust Wash with only average to below average players and expect  a middle of the pack D?

What I'm getting at here is.... is Wash getting the best of the talent at hand or is the talent just too good that whoever is calling plays will look good? Big difference between the two. I'd love to see a much more creativity defense schemer and play caller but that's just me. I feel like anyone from the stands could call coverages for this defense and they'd be successful.

I think a lot of the good things Wash does are being conveniently glossed over here, but whatever. Haters gonna hate. 

There's not a lot of clever stuff in this defense that's ranked #1 in the league in several categories -  and I'm fine with it. 
Wanna give all the credit to players and besmirch the guy lining them up? Fine, have at it. 
I think he's doing fine.  

I saw 6 or 7 downs the other day where I was mystified at the corners being so far off. Marrone's presser seemed to suggest a few explanations. Either the players were taking too much liberty within the called coverage, got the coverage wrong, or that the playbook itself needs to be more specific about the CB technique required by some of the playcalls.  Sounds like they intend to fix that. 

I don't care about the rest as long as we've got these dogs out there getting it done.

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Would everyone trust Wash with only average to below average players and expect  a middle of the pack D?

What I'm getting at here is.... is Wash getting the best of the talent at hand or is the talent just too good that whoever is calling plays will look good? Big difference between the two. I'd love to see a much more creativity defense schemer and play caller but that's just me. I feel like anyone from the stands could call coverages for this defense and they'd be successful.

I think a lot of the good things Wash does are being conveniently glossed over here, but whatever. Haters gonna hate. 

There's not a lot of clever stuff in this defense that's ranked #1 in the league in several categories -  and I'm fine with it. 
Wanna give all the credit to players and besmirch the guy lining them up? Fine, have at it. 
I think he's doing fine.  

I saw 6 or 7 downs the other day where I was mystified at the corners being so far off. Marrone's presser seemed to suggest a few explanations. Either the players were taking too much liberty within the called coverage, got the coverage wrong, or that the playbook itself needs to be more specific about the CB technique required by some of the playcalls.  Sounds like they intend to fix that. 

I don't care about the rest as long as we've got these dogs out there getting it done.

Not hating just posing the question. Because cmon lets think about it. 2 all pro CBs, 2 pro bowl caliber S's, Jack is all pro caliber, Telvin is pro bowl, Calais all pro, Yannick pro bowl, Dareus former all pro and pro bowl caliber, Malik pro bowl, Fowler off the bench is amazing ... every player is either all pro or pro bowl caliber and that's not even being a homer. That's just facts. 

It's not hard to call cover 4 and rush 4 or cover 2 rush 4. My main question is, do people believe Wash is getting the BEST out this group. If not, that's a damn shame because only once 10 years a single team gets a defense with this much talent. It also doesn't last very long. 

He's in the luxury that he can't get fired because of the stats so it's a hypothetical.

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I think a lot of the good things Wash does are being conveniently glossed over here, but whatever. Haters gonna hate. 

There's not a lot of clever stuff in this defense that's ranked #1 in the league in several categories -  and I'm fine with it. 
Wanna give all the credit to players and besmirch the guy lining them up? Fine, have at it. 
I think he's doing fine.  

I saw 6 or 7 downs the other day where I was mystified at the corners being so far off. Marrone's presser seemed to suggest a few explanations. Either the players were taking too much liberty within the called coverage, got the coverage wrong, or that the playbook itself needs to be more specific about the CB technique required by some of the playcalls.  Sounds like they intend to fix that. 

I don't care about the rest as long as we've got these dogs out there getting it done.

Not hating just posing the question. Because cmon lets think about it. 2 all pro CBs, 2 pro bowl caliber S's, Jack is all pro caliber, Telvin is pro bowl, Calais all pro, Yannick pro bowl, Dareus former all pro and pro bowl caliber, Malik pro bowl, Fowler off the bench is amazing ... every player is either all pro or pro bowl caliber and that's not even being a homer. That's just facts. 

It's not hard to call cover 4 and rush 4 or cover 2 rush 4. My main question is, do people believe Wash is getting the BEST out this group. If not, that's a damn shame because only once 10 years a single team gets a defense with this much talent. It also doesn't last very long. 

He's in the luxury that he can't get fired because of the stats so it's a hypothetical.

So this is basically a Caldwell love-fest thread? 


Anyway... I'm sure there are a handful of coaches/coordinators out there that would get slightly better results out of this fantastic defensive roster.  But I don't care.  Wash is doing great with them.

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Not hating just posing the question. Because cmon lets think about it. 2 all pro CBs, 2 pro bowl caliber S's, Jack is all pro caliber, Telvin is pro bowl, Calais all pro, Yannick pro bowl, Dareus former all pro and pro bowl caliber, Malik pro bowl, Fowler off the bench is amazing ... every player is either all pro or pro bowl caliber and that's not even being a homer. That's just facts. 

It's not hard to call cover 4 and rush 4 or cover 2 rush 4. My main question is, do people believe Wash is getting the BEST out this group. If not, that's a damn shame because only once 10 years a single team gets a defense with this much talent. It also doesn't last very long. 

He's in the luxury that he can't get fired because of the stats so it's a hypothetical.

So this is basically a Caldwell love-fest thread? 


Anyway... I'm sure there are a handful of coaches/coordinators out there that would get slightly better results out of this fantastic defensive roster.  But I don't care.  Wash is doing great with them.

Not necessarily a love fest just facts. Nobody can deny the talent. Is the vanilla defense yielding good results? Absolutely. Personally I just feel that the talent is just so damn good anyone calling plays would have success and it's amazing because Wash is going to get a HC job because of it. 

When it ultimately becomes time to be creativite I hope he does, because the man to beat is still Brady. Not the Chiefs. Brady destroys zone and lets not forget the meltdown in the 4th Q and the 42 points given up in the divisional.

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So this is basically a Caldwell love-fest thread? 


Anyway... I'm sure there are a handful of coaches/coordinators out there that would get slightly better results out of this fantastic defensive roster.  But I don't care.  Wash is doing great with them.

Not necessarily a love fest just facts. Nobody can deny the talent. Is the vanilla defense yielding good results? Absolutely. Personally I just feel that the talent is just so damn good anyone calling plays would have success and it's amazing because Wash is going to get a HC job because of it. 

When it ultimately becomes time to be creativite I hope he does, because the man to beat is still Brady. Not the Chiefs. Brady destroys zone and lets not forget the meltdown in the 4th Q and the 42 points given up in the divisional.

I find that to be an oversimplification of the reality and an extreme exaggeration. 

I also find it generally just plain nutty that folks want to bash a coordinator that has their defense in first place.

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Not necessarily a love fest just facts. Nobody can deny the talent. Is the vanilla defense yielding good results? Absolutely. Personally I just feel that the talent is just so damn good anyone calling plays would have success and it's amazing because Wash is going to get a HC job because of it. 

When it ultimately becomes time to be creativite I hope he does, because the man to beat is still Brady. Not the Chiefs. Brady destroys zone and lets not forget the meltdown in the 4th Q and the 42 points given up in the divisional.

I find that to be an oversimplification of the reality and an extreme exaggeration. 

I also find it generally just plain nutty that folks want to bash a coordinator that has their defense in first place.

Again, not bashing at all. Really just posing the question and I think it's pretty valid. Wash is going to get a HC job because his resume will say #1 defense two years in a row. The stats will back it up. Would you want Wash as your HC? That would suggest he is the main reason the defense is performing well, not the other way around. I don't know if he'd be successful with a group of average talent and elevate their play to above average. That's really all I'm saying saying. I think it's the players making him look good, not the other way around.

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I find that to be an oversimplification of the reality and an extreme exaggeration. 

I also find it generally just plain nutty that folks want to bash a coordinator that has their defense in first place.

Again, not bashing at all. Really just posing the question and I think it's pretty valid. Wash is going to get a HC job because his resume will say #1 defense two years in a row. The stats will back it up. Would you want Wash as your HC? That would suggest he is the main reason the defense is performing well, not the other way around. I don't know if he'd be successful with a group of average talent and elevate their play to above average. That's really all I'm saying saying. I think it's the players making him look good, not the other way around.

Yeah, you really are bashing Wash's ability as a coordinator as much as you want to deny it. 

Whatever.  Maybe he's as lame as you think he is. I don't think he is. 

I couldn't care less about him being a head coach coming off of his success here as long as we land a quality replacement for him. 
My attitude on that is "good for him."   
I have absolutely no idea if he'll be a good head coach or not.

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Would everyone trust Wash with only average to below average players and expect  a middle of the pack D?

What I'm getting at here is.... is Wash getting the best of the talent at hand or is the talent just too good that whoever is calling plays will look good? Big difference between the two. I'd love to see a much more creativity defense schemer and play caller but that's just me. I feel like anyone from the stands could call coverages for this defense and they'd be successful.

I think a lot of the good things Wash does are being conveniently glossed over here, but whatever. Haters gonna hate. 

There's not a lot of clever stuff in this defense that's ranked #1 in the league in several categories -  and I'm fine with it. 
Wanna give all the credit to players and besmirch the guy lining them up? Fine, have at it. 
I think he's doing fine.  

I saw 6 or 7 downs the other day where I was mystified at the corners being so far off. Marrone's presser seemed to suggest a few explanations. Either the players were taking too much liberty within the called coverage, got the coverage wrong, or that the playbook itself needs to be more specific about the CB technique required by some of the playcalls.  Sounds like they intend to fix that. 

I don't care about the rest as long as we've got these dogs out there getting it done.

I saw this as well.  I was screaming at the TV for them to get out of zone coverage and into man coverage.

Regarding the blitzing.  This defense rarely needs to dial up a blitz, but I think the game just got away from them (coaches/coordinators not players).  We have to remember that this team is built to play with a lead or play close games.  Once the second score went up, even though it was just a field goal I knew the team was in trouble.  I believe at that point players tried too hard to "make something happen" along with coaches/coordinators turning to "panic mode" with the play calls.  Now of course, injuries also played a key role in the game (ie. getting away from the run on offense).

The bottom line is, this defense is still the best in the NFL if not a top 2 or 3 defense.  They aren't there because of blitzing or schemes.

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I feel like we telegraphed all of our blitzes during the KC game, and Mahomes was pretty consistent about throwing right at the open spot the blitzer came from.  I suspect that they might have audibled into a screen on a couple of them. 
Don't the Jaguars usually do a better job of disguising their blitz?  Was it due to hard counts from Mahomes, or crowd noise?  Am I imagining this?

no, in fact this team is probably the worst in the league at disguising anything... real talk, they are legit probably the most vanilla defense in the entire league, and we have been since I can remember

we literally line up and say " this is what we are doing, beat it"

that is like the most lazy way to run a defense I have ever seen.  We have INSANE talent, if we had any talent at all from our play caller to confuse teams, change things up, 0 coverage blitz, zone blitzes.... we would be even better and create more turnovers

we have the best man to man corners in the NFL, yet, I hardly ever see us do 0 coverage blitzes, aka rushing 6 and manning up everyone, we have 2 of the fastest LB's in the league to help with this as well.  Our safeties are good in coverage as well

we have the personnel to do so many things and be great at it, but we dont

This is one of the first times I've agreed with your takes, but yes, Wash is so boring. Rush 4 and sit in a soft zone almost every play.

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They used to send Colvin in blitzes a lot a few seasons back. I recall him being very effective, making impact plays/sacks quite often.

What happened with that type of stuff? No more?

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They used to send Colvin in blitzes a lot a few seasons back. I recall him being very effective, making impact plays/sacks quite often.

What happened with that type of stuff? No more?

I've seen at least 8 DB blitzes from Hayden, Church or Gipson this season.  They've also sent Telvin and Jack at times. 

I've also seen the safeties completely switch roles at the snap or radically change the coverage they are showing pre snap many times. 

Am I just the only one seeing this stuff?

Edit: Skimming through some defensive plays for blitzes and such and I'll list them here. A running list as I don't have time to skim every game right now.

3rd quarter vs Giants :  Gipson DB blitz on first down
A few plays later:  Telvin blitzes up the middle
A few plays later:  They send five with Jack attempting to free Yannick on an inside stunt
1 min left in third:  They send five again - Jacobs the extra man this time
-- I'll stop there for that game as they are getting good pressure with four and did in fact play a decent amount of man coverage --

New England:
1st Q 13.30 - Sent 5 (Jack)
1st Q 0:32 - DB blitz (Harrison)
2nd Q 8;32 - DB blitz (Church)
3rdQ 4:50 - DB blitz (Hayden)
4thQ 14:54 5 man blitz (Telvin)

More on Thursday...

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