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Jaguars' biggest problem isn't Blake Bortles. It's complacency.
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Pretty bad read actually, and this is coming from a guy who dislikes this entire staff. Don't think this guy watches the tape.
Wash isn't running Bradleys scheme which is the Seattle scheme. That's just cover 3 and bump and run. We play a LOT of zone but we use many different zones and mix in some man. Thing is we only rush 4, pretty much no matter what. Led the league last year in that 83% the time we didn't blitz. Defense had great success. Heard that from Prisco. So difference is this year that front 4 isn't getting home and it's exposing the defense. Been that way since week 1, so really my main concern is this coaching staff is terrible at adjustments. Marrone coming out saying they are giving too much to the players is comical. IF YOU SEE THAT THE FRONT ISN'T DISRUPTING THE QB CALL A DAMN BLITZ!!! Reality is no legit HC would of took the job with Bortles as QB. Bortles will still be here in 2019 guaranteed so regardless if we go 3-13 I'd expect Marrone to be the HC because of that reason. (10-16-2018, 07:08 PM)5The_Franchise_QB Wrote: Pretty bad read actually, and this is coming from a guy who dislikes this entire staff. Don't think this guy watches the tape. on the bolded parts: Really, am I the only one on the board that doesn’t watch tape? Because it seem like everyone else does according to posts. To te second bolded part, I really can’t disagree. I questionedthe “Bortles i our guy” crap after the hire. He has improved, yes, but I’ve watched enough NFL games to see that Bortles isn’t THE guy. Even though that may not be the problem “Now” We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
(10-16-2018, 07:24 PM)Jags Wrote:(10-16-2018, 07:08 PM)5The_Franchise_QB Wrote: Pretty bad read actually, and this is coming from a guy who dislikes this entire staff. Don't think this guy watches the tape. The article is basically crap and is some writer's opinion that happens to match what fans are seeing and feeling right now. Regarding the part in bold. People on the board "watching tape" are actually just watching highlight reels for the most part. It doesn't present the whole picture. My take is that the offense struggles partly because of injuries (it's a long and ugly list) and partly because of luck. Blake Bortles hasn't played nearly as bad as some say (surprise, surprise). You could have [insert any QB here] playing and if receivers are dropping balls that hit them in the hands and/or chest, that's not on the QB. When the QB is under duress on any pass play, it's not his fault. Has Bortles made some bad plays/decisions? Absolutely. But he's not the problem with the offense right now. Many people will point to injuries and it's a legitimate argument. How many teams have their starting LT (along with the second string LT), TE and WR on IR in week 6? Then throw in the fact that the remaining offensive line players have several that are "banged up" but still playing? Throw in the fact that your #1 RB is sidelined with an injury and your #2 RB is playing with basically "practice squad" players behind him? Regarding the defense, I think that it's players trying to "do too much" rather than just "doing their job". The "rush two players" thing that we saw was more than likely a blown assignment rather than a designed play. I can't imagine ANY DC calling such a defense in that situation. That really wasn't "coaching" as much as it was players not "doing their job". Finally, as far as the "fire [insert coach/coordinator/GM]" is concerned. They aren't on the field playing. It's the players and the team as a whole that needs to step up. I personally think that they will turn it around this week and am looking forward to the game. There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't.
(10-16-2018, 07:24 PM)Jags Wrote:(10-16-2018, 07:08 PM)5The_Franchise_QB Wrote: Pretty bad read actually, and this is coming from a guy who dislikes this entire staff. Don't think this guy watches the tape. I like to watch tape sometimes when off and bored. I find it fun to watch because I love football so much that I like to see what they really see are doing. The second that article writer said Wash is using Bradleys scheme... couldn't be anymore wrong really. Honestly just need to watch the games to know that. Some like to reference "ice cream soft zones" because it's easy to say because we run a lot of zoneS. To me Wash has just proven to be so bad at adjustments, same with Marrone. Inexperience? Maybe. As great as this defense was last year, theyll always be known as the defense who gave up the 10 point lead in the 4th q to Brady. They had a chance this year to erase those memories, haven't yet. Ultimately I feel like Wash just isnt getting the best out these guys I mean the only ones I personally feel that have improved is Ngakoue and Jack. Why? Why is he still using last year as the manual script? 83% the time didn't blitz because the front 4 was so dominate and disrusptive. Great! That's exactly what you want, rush 4 and drop everyone back. PROBLEM is rushing 4 isn't working and hasn't been all year! Why does it take a 33 point blowout to the worst offense in the game other than ours and game 6 to see what's so obvious to everyone? Hopefully we see a change. Houston offensive line is straight garbage... this is the perfect week to return to sacksonville and create turnovers.
Nah they will just have a plan to get the ball, out quick to the open man in the zone. We will see we r due for a win. If I was a betting man I would bet us this week.
I like Blake. I would really like to see him succeed (it's definitely preferable to trying to find "the guy"). However, I don't think it's useful to make excuses for him at this point in his career. He has good days and bad days (as I'm sure most QBs do), but he doesn't have the tools to offset his inaccuracy. When he's having an accurate day, he can beat the defense, even if they are reading him. I love it when we get this Blake. When he's off, he's prone to turnovers and batted balls. I hate that Blake. It's that simple.
He is obviously not the worst QB in the league, but his flaws are severe enough to hinder the offense when it falls on his shoulders. He has two technical issues that really impair his game: his long wind up and tendency to stare down his receiver. When he has a strong enough running game, these aren't as big a deal because the linebackers and safeties need to "stay home" for a second, which gives the WRs a chance to create separation quickly. When teams don't fear the run, they watch Blake and jump routes and bat balls at the line of scrimmage. This is made worse by the coaching staff's insistence on turning him into a game manager (more on that later). When you combine his mechanics with an average ability to read defenses, you end up with a QB that will lose you games. My personal gripe with him (and the reason I might consider benching him) is how he mentally handicaps himself due to his technical deficiencies. He tends to wait until a play is fully developed before making a decision rather than recognizing coverage and making the adjustments pre-snap. He also struggles to recognize the mismatches immediately after the ball is snapped. If the line holds up for him, he does just fine. However, if he has to rush his throws, he isn't sure where the defenders will be, which leads to a lot of errant passes and throw-aways. He almost never makes a defense pay for a blitz by making the adjustments pre-snap or abuses the mismatch on the field. He relies on his athleticism, not his brain. If Kessler could do these things better, I would seriously consider starting him. Even if he has a weaker arm, it would go a long way towards speeding up the offense. Now, I have no confidence that Kessler can do this, as I didn't watch him in Cleveland and only saw him play against 2's in the preseason. That said, if I'm the coach and even think he might be better at reading the defense, I am giving him a shot. A true game manager may not have the physical tools, but they have the mental tools to limit mistakes, make presnap adjustments, and make the right reads post snap. Blake has none of these qualities. Quick aside: Blake should be a gunslinger, but they are trying to turn him into a game manager. If I'm Marrone, I get Bortles out of the pocket, call QB draws, and tell Blake to play like there's no tomorrow. I think our offense would be better for it. Even though there'd be a lot more turnovers, there'd be a lot less pick 6's. Getting the ball down field would limit a defense's ability to return it for a TD. In addition, it would force defenses to play the whole field. These quick outs and screens shrink the field. It allows the defense to creep up, which helps them against the run and short passes while virtually giving them TDs when Blake makes a mistake. I wouldn't treat the D like an old school defense that plays for field position for four quarters. Their job would be to hold offenses to threes when Blake inevitably turns it over. Imo, this is a better set and would work better with the power run game. Anyways, that's my take. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (10-16-2018, 08:57 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: My take is that the offense struggles partly because of injuries (it's a long and ugly list) and partly because of luck. It's long, but it's not that ugly. We haven't lost anything of quality. If losing a bunch of average to below average players absolutely kills your offense then you didn't have a good offense to begin with. (10-16-2018, 09:57 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote:(10-16-2018, 07:24 PM)Jags Wrote: on the bolded parts: The defense is 10th in pressures. We are getting there it's just Wash isn't playing enough tight coverage and forcing the QBs to think which in turn is leading to less sacks and less turnovers.
I don’t see complacency
I also think the complaints about rushing four are overblown. This defense has pressured every QB they’ve faced this year - Dak was the only one that had lots of time. They could have dialed up a bit more pressure in that one. Mahomes was pressured, but he was quick getting the ball out or evaded on foot and bought time.
By watching "tape" you all mean.... your DVR or YouTube or what?
(10-17-2018, 09:38 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: I don’t see complacency I didn't read the article cuz.... screw that... But yeah... I'm not getting the idea anyone is complacent. The D hasn't been performing as well as last year but much of that has to do with the offense being worse than it was last year (seemingly) especially in the last 2 weeks. The O keeps putting the D out there.... and eventually they are gonna be tired and give up chunk plays. Whatever though... everyone has an idea of what "the" problem is... and twice as many people have a solution haha We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (10-17-2018, 04:28 AM)JackCity Wrote:(10-16-2018, 09:57 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: I like to watch tape sometimes when off and bored. I find it fun to watch because I love football so much that I like to see what they really see are doing. Perhaps they aren't covering as well also? I mean... we're just giving our guys a pass? Lots of teams play zone effectively. Ramsey and AJ can't play zone at all? Don't get me wrong... I'm all in on giving everyone crap over the poor play. But that includes pretty much everyone on D outside of Jack, Yan, Campbell, and Dareus maybe. Everyone else needs to step up their play. I've seen the pressure get close to home (and we've also gotten sacks and INTs the past two games) but I've also seen Dak and Pat (and Ms Mary too) extend plays, get the ball out quick, and make plays with their feet because DBs (AJ and Patmon and Church mostly) and LBs are out of place or getting beat (especially from the slot with Beasely and Kelce these past two games)
(10-17-2018, 10:34 AM)Kane Wrote:(10-17-2018, 04:28 AM)JackCity Wrote: The defense is 10th in pressures. We are getting there it's just Wash isn't playing enough tight coverage and forcing the QBs to think which in turn is leading to less sacks and less turnovers. I agree with this take. It almost appears as though the secondary is too busy attempting to make something happen instead of actually doing their assignments. (10-17-2018, 10:34 AM)Kane Wrote:I’ve said this in a number of threads now.(10-17-2018, 04:28 AM)JackCity Wrote: The defense is 10th in pressures. We are getting there it's just Wash isn't playing enough tight coverage and forcing the QBs to think which in turn is leading to less sacks and less turnovers. The actual zone coverage being called at times isn’t always the problem. Sometimes our players are simply not executing. I’ve definitely seen individuals giving up third down conversions by simply cheating too far one way or the other out of their zone, or playing without proper awareness of where the sticks are. I still want to see more man coverage , but these guys aren’t always executing the zone coverages being called as well as they have n the past. (10-17-2018, 10:27 AM)Kane Wrote: By watching "tape" you all mean.... your DVR or YouTube or what? Yeah. It’s definitely not just one thing. It’s a confluence of problems and injuries. The D having their backs against the wall so frequently is an issue as well as you suggested. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (10-17-2018, 04:28 AM)JackCity Wrote: The defense is 10th in pressures. We are getting there it's just Wash isn't playing enough tight coverage and forcing the QBs to think which in turn is leading to less sacks and less turnovers. 10th in pressures is ok and all, but I remember the thread where people were up in arms because it was hinted that the Eagles and Vikings dlines MIGHT be on par with the Jags in the best dline conversation. 10th isn't nearly up to snuff for this dline. (10-17-2018, 12:42 PM)Upper Wrote:(10-17-2018, 04:28 AM)JackCity Wrote: The defense is 10th in pressures. We are getting there it's just Wash isn't playing enough tight coverage and forcing the QBs to think which in turn is leading to less sacks and less turnovers. It doesnt help that we have had only 1 holding call out of all our games. our dline cant sack the QB when they are tackled at the line of scrimmage. It has gone well past the ridicules stage and its getting to the point that someone needs to take a look at it. (10-17-2018, 12:47 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote:(10-17-2018, 12:42 PM)Upper Wrote: 10th in pressures is ok and all, but I remember the thread where people were up in arms because it was hinted that the Eagles and Vikings dlines MIGHT be on par with the Jags in the best dline conversation. 10th isn't nearly up to snuff for this dline. Meh, that's a BS argument to me. I've been in the game threads for years, every play that happened last year where there wasn't a holding call was raged about too...and we still put up piles of sacks. I also guarantee that if you switched the teal glasses to opponent colored glasses you'd be screaming that Walker and Parnell and co were holding their defensive counterparts damn near every play also. Y'all just sound like the average fan from every fanbase ever. I don't remember if it was here or reddit but I remember a few Patriots fans that came to yell about how the Patriots of all teams got jobbed by the refs in their game against us. Water is wet. |
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