Was there any doubt that Fournette was a Coughlin pick.

I think Fournette would have absolutely been the pick even if Coughlin was not part of the organization. It was just a happy coincidence that it also jived with what Tom would want. Caldwell was looking for any way possible to salvage his legacy defining franchise QB pick and LF was the prototype to try to hide Bortles behind a run based attack. The only problem with this plan is that it's the 2010s and not the 1980s.

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Was there any doubt that Fournette was a Coughlin pick.

I think Fournette would have absolutely been the pick even if Coughlin was not part of the organization. It was just a happy coincidence that it also jived with what Tom would want. Caldwell was looking for any way possible to salvage his legacy defining franchise QB pick and LF was the prototype to try to hide Bortles behind a run based attack. The only problem with this plan is that it's the 2010s and not the 1980s.

The only problem with your take is that the plan worked. That you wont accept that just makes you look foolish.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I think Fournette would have absolutely been the pick even if Coughlin was not part of the organization. It was just a happy coincidence that it also jived with what Tom would want. Caldwell was looking for any way possible to salvage his legacy defining franchise QB pick and LF was the prototype to try to hide Bortles behind a run based attack. The only problem with this plan is that it's the 2010s and not the 1980s.

The only problem with your take is that the plan worked. That you wont accept that just makes you look foolish.

It worked for a season but the core problem remains and that was what he should have fixed

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The only problem with your take is that the plan worked. That you wont accept that just makes you look foolish.

It worked for a season but the core problem remains and that was what he should have fixed

We dont know what remains this season, any judgements made on the play this year are based on faulty evidence.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

It worked for a season but the core problem remains and that was what he should have fixed

We dont know what remains this season, any judgements made on the play this year are based on faulty evidence.

We do know that the biggest problem we have had still remains the biggest problem. That is clear as day right now.

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We dont know what remains this season, any judgements made on the play this year are based on faulty evidence.

We do know that the biggest problem we have had still remains the biggest problem. That is clear as day right now.

Yep, the lack of running game is the biggest problem.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

We do know that the biggest problem we have had still remains the biggest problem. That is clear as day right now.

Yep, the lack of running game is the biggest problem.

The lack of running game wouldn't be as big of a problem if you have a QB. Take the vikings for example.

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Every single thread, it's QB hate. At this point, what good does it do to piss and moan every day in every thread that we don't have a QB?? And guess what? The answer isn't coming this off season, either. We may be able to sign or trade for a journeyman bridge guy. Or maybe not. But so far there's nothing interesting in the draft. Will probably have to wait until 2020 and hope the crop of QBs is better.

Meanwhile we work with what we have and improve where we can.

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Fix the O-Line!

Every single thread, it's QB hate.  At this point, what good does it do to piss and moan every day in every thread that we don't have a QB??  And guess what?  The answer isn't coming this off season, either.  We may be able to sign or trade for a journeyman bridge guy.  Or maybe not.  But so far there's nothing interesting in the draft.  Will probably have to wait until 2020 and hope the crop of QBs is better.

Meanwhile we work with what we have and improve where we can.

What good does it do to complain about people complaining? By your logic what good does it to have any critique about the jaguars? It isn't gonna change anything.   

Btw, this is a thread specifically about QBs. .

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Fix the Oline and targets problems before the QB. Maybe our QB could throw if he has more than 1 second before having guys running into his face.

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Yep, the lack of running game is the biggest problem.

The lack of running game wouldn't be as big of a problem if you have a QB. Take the vikings for example.

We are a running team (supposedly). We aren't paying big money to a QB, that is not the plan.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I can't believe there are nearly 28% of you who trust Caldwell to find us a new QB.

Who are you and what is wrong with you?

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Fix the Oline and targets problems before the QB. Maybe our QB could throw if he has more than 1 second before having guys running into his face.

We had a golden opportunity to get a QB thrives with an oline even worse than ours. We have 4/5 of our starting oline and the one we're missing was average at best too. The oline needs to stop being an excuse, if Blake was the true franchise QB that his 5th year of starting and extension would suggest he would overcome Cam Robinson.

https://twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/10...1395461121

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Fix the Oline and targets problems before the QB. Maybe our QB could throw if he has more than 1 second before having guys running into his face.

We had a golden opportunity to get a QB thrives with an oline even worse than ours. We have 4/5 of our starting oline and the one we're missing was average at best too. The oline needs to stop being an excuse, if Blake was the true franchise QB that his 5th year of starting and extension would suggest he would overcome Cam Robinson.

https://twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/10...1395461121

And our receivers are just as good as Minnesota's too...right?

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And our receivers are just as good as Minnesota's too...right?

No, but he would have a better oline and a better RB with Yeldon. He might not be #1 against pressure with the Jags supporting cast, but he'd no doubt in my mind still be very good.

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And our receivers are just as good as Minnesota's too...right?

No, but he would have a better oline and a better RB with Yeldon. He might not be #1 against pressure with the Jags supporting cast, but he'd no doubt in my mind still be very good.

Better OL? Walker is trash, this year Parnell has been trash and Cann is just ehhh
Norwell hasn't been good either.

Better RB? Yeldon over Latavius Murray? I guess....

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No, but he would have a better oline and a better RB with Yeldon. He might not be #1 against pressure with the Jags supporting cast, but he'd no doubt in my mind still be very good.

Better OL? Walker is trash, this year Parnell has been trash and Cann is just ehhh
Norwell hasn't been good either.

Better RB? Yeldon over Latavius Murray? I guess....

Yeah that's not saying ours has been good or anything, but it's not among the very worst either. The Vikings are one of the teams that are in that very bottom tier.

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Dismissing the loss of Cam Robinson as if it's no biggie and ignoring the walking wounded starters and underperformers on this O-Line to suit an argument seems pretty lame.

Have you watched this O-line run block lately or are we just using twitter to guage that? LOL

The Cousins argument has been laid out over and over again ad nauseum and there are plenty of valid points and a fairly strong case to be made (barring the 2020 cap implications.)

However - writing off the current state of this o-line as "just an excuse" for Blake (or anyone else) seems pretty dumb.
This O-line is in bad shape injury wise and otherwise. That's not an excuse. It's real.

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Not sure how much I can add to a 4 page thread.

I think Caldwell is a decent GM. He has an eye for talent. He just hasn't hit on the most important position yet.

Ramsey, Linder, Smith, and Ngakoue are all stars and are / were one the best at their positions.
Bouye, Jackson, and Campbell are all stars and are / were one the best at their positions.
Church, Dareus, Gipson, Jack (drafted), Lambo, Parnell, and quiet a few other signings are decent-to-good players.

Even Bortles, when he's on fire (confident?), is incredible. I'm sure the good Bortles is the QB Caldwell hoped him to be. It's unfortunate that he's not consistent, but I wouldn't say he's a bad pick. We've seen QBs end up worse. I'd say he hits more than he misses.

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Coughlin will have the ultimate say on the next QB, so it really doesn't matter how much trust we have in Caldwell.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.