Fournettes injury history is more worrying than his play imo

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Fournettes injury history is more worrying than his play imo

That and his maturity. Suspended last year. Suspended this year. I think someone made a good point earlier this year during the off season. They showed Ngakoue busting his [BLEEP] in the gym. And they showed Fournette out flashing some nice hardware he just bought. Questioning his work ethic, etc. 

I shrugged it off earlier this year. But the more and more I think about it. Whoever posted that may have been spot on actually from everything that we've now seen (and, not seen) out of him this year. Disappointing player thus far.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I’ll reserve judgement on LF until about game 4 next year. I still have fresh memories of people criticizing “ Fragile Freddy “ back in the day when he ripped a muscle in his groin. Perhaps he’ll work his butt off in the offseason and we’ll have some capable blockers next season..

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Fournettes injury history is more worrying than his play imo

That and his maturity. Suspended last year. Suspended this year. I think someone made a good point earlier this year during the off season. They showed Ngakoue busting his [BLEEP] in the gym. And they showed Fournette out flashing some nice hardware he just bought. Questioning his work ethic, etc. 

I shrugged it off earlier this year. But the more and more I think about it. Whoever posted that may have been spot on actually from everything that we've now seen (and, not seen) out of him this year. Disappointing player thus far.

I'd be hesitant to psychoanalyze a pro athlete based on them having flashy spending habits. I mean Fournette was voted team Captain for a reason and it wasn't just because he's funny and a high draft pick. Also, Yannick is probably on the manic end of things work ethic wise , i wouldn't expect players to work as hard as him

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I’ll reserve judgement on LF until about game 4 next year. I still have fresh memories of people criticizing “ Fragile Freddy “ back in the day when he ripped a muscle in his groin. Perhaps he’ll work his butt off in the offseason and we’ll have some capable blockers next season..

That and his maturity. Suspended last year. Suspended this year. I think someone made a good point earlier this year during the off season. They showed Ngakoue busting his [BLEEP] in the gym. And they showed Fournette out flashing some nice hardware he just bought. Questioning his work ethic, etc. 

I shrugged it off earlier this year. But the more and more I think about it. Whoever posted that may have been spot on actually from everything that we've now seen (and, not seen) out of him this year. Disappointing player thus far.

I'd be hesitant to psychoanalyze a pro athlete based on them having flashy spending habits. I mean Fournette was voted team Captain for a reason and it wasn't just because he's funny and a high draft pick. Also, Yannick is probably on the manic end of things work ethic wise , i wouldn't expect players to work as hard as him

I agree. That's why I shrugged it off initially. But when the man can't seem to stay healthy (which was a concern going back to his days as an LSU Tiger) and then you couple in him simply not being able to show up for a team photo last year? With nagging injuries? And then all year this year with another injury? And he gets suspended for throwing punches on the field? He's just an idiot. 

Injuries happen. Can't control that. And I can't hold that against him. But his maturity is an issue. A glaring issue.

He was probably voted team Captain because this offense sucks. There's really no other names on that offense you would want to call a Captain. If Leonard Fournette is one of your Captains, or the only major name on offense given that title. What does that say about your offense in general? 

It may not be about his flashy spending habits. But his actions scream "Me, me, me and I, I, I". He doesn't deserve to have the C on his jersey.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

As others have said, Will he ever be able to stay healthy a full season and can he fix his vision.

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Not sure if serious or not...

I'm completely serious. 

Much was made in the twittershpere and bloggoverse yesterday about Fournette's comments. There were suggestions that he was admitting to some type of laziness or bad preparation of his own doing. 

I am simply asserting that the comments he made are only a matter of fact diagnosis of his poor conditioning due to injury. 

You can only get so much strength and conditioning work done with a torn hamstring.

Ummmmmmm, oftentimes a pulled hammie is the result of being out of shape to begin with.

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I'm completely serious. 

Much was made in the twittershpere and bloggoverse yesterday about Fournette's comments. There were suggestions that he was admitting to some type of laziness or bad preparation of his own doing. 

I am simply asserting that the comments he made are only a matter of fact diagnosis of his poor conditioning due to injury. 

You can only get so much strength and conditioning work done with a torn hamstring.

Ummmmmmm, oftentimes a pulled hammie is the result of being out of shape to begin with.

Yawn...
He didn't pull it, he tore it.  It's a common injury.
All of the talk in July was how good he looked coming in to camp and during camp. 

From the times union: 

When training camp opens in three weeks, Leonard Fournette expects to report at the same weight he did during last month’s mandatory minicamp – 224 pounds.
That’s 11 pounds lighter than his playing weight last season as a rookie.
″I feel like I play my best at that weight – 223, 224 – that’s what I played in college,″ Fournette said. ″Why not? I don’t want to be average. I want to be above average, be the greatest one to play this game. I feel lighter, quicker and I have a lot of my burst.″

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Fournette said he made a more concerted effort this offseason to get in better shape to possibly avoid injuries this upcoming season. He missed two games in 2017 because of ankle and thigh injuries. 

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So he basically said.. I'm faster and lighter and quicker....

Cool.

Where's them results at?

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So he basically said.. I'm faster and lighter and quicker....

Cool.

Where's them results at?

The quote is from July. He tore the hammie after that and missed six games, came back to a decimated O-Line and an OC that couldn't compensate. 


His lackluster play and immaturity sure didn't help matters though.

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That and his maturity. Suspended last year. Suspended this year. I think someone made a good point earlier this year during the off season. They showed Ngakoue busting his [BLEEP] in the gym. And they showed Fournette out flashing some nice hardware he just bought. Questioning his work ethic, etc. 

I shrugged it off earlier this year. But the more and more I think about it. Whoever posted that may have been spot on actually from everything that we've now seen (and, not seen) out of him this year. Disappointing player thus far.

I'd be hesitant to psychoanalyze a pro athlete based on them having flashy spending habits. I mean Fournette was voted team Captain for a reason and it wasn't just because he's funny and a high draft pick. Also, Yannick is probably on the manic end of things work ethic wise , i wouldn't expect players to work as hard as him

I agree with both actually. It's just difficult for people out of the building to know exactly how he's approaching life as a pro. What gets through doesn't sound ideal honestly.

I also read that on a Monday show Boselli/Prisco mentioned speculations that during his hamstring injury Fournette missed some scheduled rehab appointments. Which lead to the increase in frustration and the Hyde trade. I have no idea if there's any truth behind that but it doesn't sound extremely unlikely.
I didn't like the pick at the time (I'm of the no RB high in the draft party) but still he's better than this.It's just that as much as he was never too agile to begin with I feel we haven't seen him move as he did the first 6 games of the 2017 season again. (talking just about the way he moves/runs, not other issues as oline play/his vision)

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I'd be hesitant to psychoanalyze a pro athlete based on them having flashy spending habits. I mean Fournette was voted team Captain for a reason and it wasn't just because he's funny and a high draft pick. Also, Yannick is probably on the manic end of things work ethic wise , i wouldn't expect players to work as hard as him

I agree with both actually. It's just difficult for people out of the building to know exactly how he's approaching life as a pro. What gets through doesn't sound ideal honestly.

I also read that on a Monday show Boselli/Prisco mentioned speculations that during his hamstring injury Fournette missed some scheduled rehab appointments. Which lead to the increase in frustration and the Hyde trade. I have no idea if there's any truth behind that but it doesn't sound extremely unlikely.
I didn't like the pick at the time (I'm of the no RB high in the draft party) but still he's better than this.It's just that as much as he was never too agile to begin with I feel we haven't seen him move as he did the first 6 games of the 2017 season again. (talking just about the way he moves/runs, not other issues as oline play/his vision)

I also heard that Searcy and Lageman's wife were questioning Fournette's willingness to return more quickly from that hamstring injury as well. So there's probably some degree of truth in there. I think even Marrone was quoted at some point saying that these types of injuries are also up to the player's ability to get back from it, etc. 

Hyde was probably a decent insurance investment going into 2019. Can't blame Coughwell for that approach. Two years in a row that he's missed significant amount of playing time and then back-to-back suspensions for essentially not being a team player. Questionable maturity. Questionable work ethic. 

That's not good for any athlete. Especially if you're expecting them to be professionals. We'll see what happens. 2018 was a dumpster fire of a season. Maybe it was really just the mental aspect of the game. Once you get into a hole mentally it's really hard to climb up out of it. And you start getting into that "We're almost there. It's almost over" mentality and once that happens it's party over.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I'm completely serious. 

Much was made in the twittershpere and bloggoverse yesterday about Fournette's comments. There were suggestions that he was admitting to some type of laziness or bad preparation of his own doing. 

I am simply asserting that the comments he made are only a matter of fact diagnosis of his poor conditioning due to injury. 

You can only get so much strength and conditioning work done with a torn hamstring.

Ummmmmmm, oftentimes a pulled hammie is the result of being out of shape to begin with.

Often times?  Bull [BLEEP].  Thanks for the input doctor.

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I agree with both actually. It's just difficult for people out of the building to know exactly how he's approaching life as a pro. What gets through doesn't sound ideal honestly.

I also read that on a Monday show Boselli/Prisco mentioned speculations that during his hamstring injury Fournette missed some scheduled rehab appointments. Which lead to the increase in frustration and the Hyde trade. I have no idea if there's any truth behind that but it doesn't sound extremely unlikely.
I didn't like the pick at the time (I'm of the no RB high in the draft party) but still he's better than this.It's just that as much as he was never too agile to begin with I feel we haven't seen him move as he did the first 6 games of the 2017 season again. (talking just about the way he moves/runs, not other issues as oline play/his vision)

I also heard that Searcy and Lageman's wife were questioning Fournette's willingness to return more quickly from that hamstring injury as well. So there's probably some degree of truth in there. I think even Marrone was quoted at some point saying that these types of injuries are also up to the player's ability to get back from it, etc. 

Hyde was probably a decent insurance investment going into 2019. Can't blame Coughwell for that approach. Two years in a row that he's missed significant amount of playing time and then back-to-back suspensions for essentially not being a team player. Questionable maturity. Questionable work ethic. 

That's not good for any athlete. Especially if you're expecting them to be professionals. We'll see what happens. 2018 was a dumpster fire of a season. Maybe it was really just the mental aspect of the game. Once you get into a hole mentally it's really hard to climb up out of it. And you start getting into that "We're almost there. It's almost over" mentality and once that happens it's party over.

Yep, I agree and we'll see.
This year was hard on everybody and pretty much anything that could go wrong went wrong.  
Let's hope the team makes the right choices this offseason and that Leonard grows up, matures and becomes a better pro/team player than he has been.

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Ummmmmmm, oftentimes a pulled hammie is the result of being out of shape to begin with.

Often times?  Bull [BLEEP].  Thanks for the input doctor.

https://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/h...g-strain#1

Fact is, hamstring injuries often occur when other muscle groups in that chain are not in good enough condition, causing an imbalance that leads to the hammies giving out, either in the form of a strain or tear. It's indeed quite possible that if LF had his quads and/or glutes in better condition, he wouldn't have suffered the hammie hit. 

And, what's with the hostility, bro? I didn't throw shade your way or carry an angry tone. Chill, baby, it's all good.

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Often times?  Bull [BLEEP].  Thanks for the input doctor.

https://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/h...g-strain#1

Fact is, hamstring injuries often occur when other muscle groups in that chain are not in good enough condition, causing an imbalance that leads to the hammies giving out, either in the form of a strain or tear. It's indeed quite possible that if LF had his quads and/or glutes in better condition, he wouldn't have suffered the hammie hit. 

And, what's with the hostility, bro? I didn't throw shade your way or carry an angry tone. Chill, baby, it's all good.

Aside from the super obvious part where you’re a squealers fan talking out of your [BLEEP] on a Jags board- 
You were also presented with quotes that the player was in premier condition when he reported for camp. This refuted your ill-informed implication that his conditioning caused the injury - but you continued to tout your arm chair medical expertise.

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https://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/h...g-strain#1

Fact is, hamstring injuries often occur when other muscle groups in that chain are not in good enough condition, causing an imbalance that leads to the hammies giving out, either in the form of a strain or tear. It's indeed quite possible that if LF had his quads and/or glutes in better condition, he wouldn't have suffered the hammie hit. 

And, what's with the hostility, bro? I didn't throw shade your way or carry an angry tone. Chill, baby, it's all good.

Aside from the super obvious part where you’re a squealers fan talking out of your [BLEEP] on a Jags board- 
You were also presented with quotes that the player was in premier condition when he reported for camp. This refuted your ill-informed implication that his conditioning caused the injury - but you continued to tout your arm chair medical expertise.

I'm not just a Steelers' fan; I live here at the beaches right off A1A. I've lived in this community for years. And you don't see me all angry and calling this team the "Jag Offs" as you have penned my team the "Squealers." I have been nothing but friendly and civil while you continue to be caustic. You don't resemble the folks I interact with here - whom the vast majority are completely friendly and polite, even when I'm wearing Steeler gear. As a matter of fact, I was just at Lucky's market, and had all kinds of friendly discussions with Jag fans (while I was adorned in a Steeler sweatshirt); it's a refreshing difference compared to being in western PA, where a much high % of folks are angry, bitter and caustic. 

And, apparently you didn't bother to read the article I linked: Hammie injuries are often caused from the imbalance of development of the quads and glutes, creating an imbalance to that chain of muscles. In other words, it may matter not if your weight and cardio are up to par; a weakness to those chains would still cause hammies to go on the fritz. If LF didn't do due diligence of leg/glute work, with squats, deadlifts and the like, that could indeed lead to hammie injuries. 

It is too simplistic to judge "being in shape" by body weight alone. If you study the subject, you will realize this. Louie Simmons is an iconic figure in athletic performance training. Study his principles and you will gain knowledge into the subject. 

http://www.conjugatefitness.com/hamstrin...-mistakes/

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Aside from the super obvious part where you’re a squealers fan talking out of your [BLEEP] on a Jags board- 
You were also presented with quotes that the player was in premier condition when he reported for camp. This refuted your ill-informed implication that his conditioning caused the injury - but you continued to tout your arm chair medical expertise.

I'm not just a Steelers' fan; I live here at the beaches right off A1A. I've lived in this community for years. And you don't see me all angry and calling this team the "Jag Offs" as you have penned my team the "Squealers." I have been nothing but friendly and civil while you continue to be caustic. You don't resemble the folks I interact with here - whom the vast majority are completely friendly and polite, even when I'm wearing Steeler gear. As a matter of fact, I was just at Lucky's market, and had all kinds of friendly discussions with Jag fans (while I was adorned in a Steeler sweatshirt); it's a refreshing difference compared to being in western PA, where a much high % of folks are angry, bitter and caustic. 

And, apparently you didn't bother to read the article I linked: Hammie injuries are often caused from the imbalance of development of the quads and glutes, creating an imbalance to that chain of muscles. In other words, it may matter not if your weight and cardio are up to par; a weakness to those chains would still cause hammies to go on the fritz. If LF didn't do due diligence of leg/glute work, with squats, deadlifts and the like, that could indeed lead to hammie injuries. 

It is too simplistic to judge "being in shape" by body weight alone. If you study the subject, you will realize this. Louie Simmons is an iconic figure in athletic performance training. Study his principles and you will gain knowledge into the subject. 

http://www.conjugatefitness.com/hamstrin...-mistakes/

If I’m caustic it’s because you don’t seem to know what you’re talking about. Or your just bent on advancing a false narrative.
I read what you posted. And the article. You apparently didn’t read the part where the player said he was in the best shape Possible and went out of his way to prepare prior to camp. Why do you think that equates to a running back neglecting his freaking legs????

I mean, c’mon man. 

I’m not mad at you. I just want you to make sense. 


By all means - find something that supports your theory that LF is to blame for his injury. 
I’ve given you supporting info to the contrary and you are just continuing a foundless narrative. 

Seriously - nothing personal. I just don’t appreciate a baseless negative narrative on the player. There’s  plenty to criticize based in reality rather than making stuff up.

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