My point is the Giants are in the driver seat when it comes to QBs. Whatever logic you are applying to the jags for getting Haskins, you must also apply it to the Giants

My logic is that you outbid them. They have the higher pick, but they have a ton of needs and don't have a 3rd round selection. Our needs are mainly on the O-Line, (outside of the QB position) and we have 4 picks in the first 3 rounds, where the Giants only have 2. IMO, that gives us a slight edge. The logic is a bit different for both teams, because the Giants have a lot more holes to fill. You can't apply the same logic to both teams, because they are in different situations. The Giants desperately need an edge rusher, linebacker, RT, Center, NT and another CB. Maybe they might not be in a position to trade up and still have hope to upgrade those other needs. With 4 picks in the first 3 rounds, we could trade away a 1st and 3rd this year and future picks and still be in good shape to upgrade the O-Line, while getting our QB.

Well duh.  

The giants aren't gonna worry about missing out on some 3rd round guard if it means getting their QB. They are better positioned than us to get the first QB off the board whatever way you wanna spin it

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My logic is that you outbid them. They have the higher pick, but they have a ton of needs and don't have a 3rd round selection. Our needs are mainly on the O-Line, (outside of the QB position) and we have 4 picks in the first 3 rounds, where the Giants only have 2. IMO, that gives us a slight edge. The logic is a bit different for both teams, because the Giants have a lot more holes to fill. You can't apply the same logic to both teams, because they are in different situations. The Giants desperately need an edge rusher, linebacker, RT, Center, NT and another CB. Maybe they might not be in a position to trade up and still have hope to upgrade those other needs. With 4 picks in the first 3 rounds, we could trade away a 1st and 3rd this year and future picks and still be in good shape to upgrade the O-Line, while getting our QB.

Well duh.  

The giants aren't gonna worry about missing out on some 3rd round guard if it means getting their QB. They are better positioned than us to get the first QB off the board whatever way you wanna spin it

How? If it turns into a bidding war for the top spot, all things are equal.

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Well duh.  

The giants aren't gonna worry about missing out on some 3rd round guard if it means getting their QB. They are better positioned than us to get the first QB off the board whatever way you wanna spin it

How? If it turns into a bidding war for the top spot, all things are equal.

It's not equal because the Giants have to pay less than us

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We just have to pray that Herbert and Haskins both declare. If there's only one head and shoulders QB that everyone wants then it's going to get insanely expensive to move up.

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How? If it turns into a bidding war for the top spot, all things are equal.

It's not equal because the Giants have to pay less than us

Who cares? Getting a franchise QB is waaaaaaaaaaaay more important than having to pay more.

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We just have to pray that Herbert and Haskins both declare. If there's only one head and shoulders QB that everyone wants then it's going to get insanely expensive to move up.

My biggest fear is that neither declare. If that happens, I either down and take the best player available regardless of position and take a QB in round 2. Even if Haskins declares though, I've been reading Herbert probably won't. That will make things very difficult, because like you said, every QB needy team will be zeroing in on trading up for that one guy. Fingers crossed, they both declare.

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It's not equal because the Giants have to pay less than us

Who cares? Getting a franchise QB is waaaaaaaaaaaay more important than having to pay more.

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We just have to pray that Herbert and Haskins both declare. If there's only one head and shoulders QB that everyone wants then it's going to get insanely expensive to move up.

My biggest fear is that neither declare. If that happens, I either down and take the best player available regardless of position and take a QB in round 2. Even if Haskins declares though, I've been reading Herbert probably won't. That will make things very difficult, because like you said, every QB needy team will be zeroing in on trading up for that one guy. Fingers crossed, they both declare.

Of course it's way more important? I'm really not sure you're reading what I'm saying

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Who cares? Getting a franchise QB is waaaaaaaaaaaay more important than having to pay more.

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My biggest fear is that neither declare. If that happens, I either down and take the best player available regardless of position and take a QB in round 2. Even if Haskins declares though, I've been reading Herbert probably won't. That will make things very difficult, because like you said, every QB needy team will be zeroing in on trading up for that one guy. Fingers crossed, they both declare.

Of course it's way more important? I'm really not sure you're reading what I'm saying

I'm reading it, apparently, you're not being very clear with the point you are trying to make. You said the Giants will have to pay less, because they have the higher pick. I said, it doesn't matter if we have to pay more, because price doesn't matter when it comes to getting a franchise QB. If we have to pay a lot more to outbid them, fine. What am I missing?

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Of course it's way more important? I'm really not sure you're reading what I'm saying

I'm reading it, apparently, you're not being very clear with the point you are trying to make. You said the Giants will have to pay less, because they have the higher pick. I said, it doesn't matter if we have to pay more, because price doesn't matter when it comes to getting a franchise QB. If we have to pay a lot more to outbid them, fine. What am I missing?

*Sigh*. I'm saying the Giants having a higher pick DOES matter because it makes them more likely to get their QB.  

That's indisputable. Whatever logic you are applying for the Jags getting the QB over the Giants has to applied on the reverse

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I'm reading it, apparently, you're not being very clear with the point you are trying to make. You said the Giants will have to pay less, because they have the higher pick. I said, it doesn't matter if we have to pay more, because price doesn't matter when it comes to getting a franchise QB. If we have to pay a lot more to outbid them, fine. What am I missing?

*Sigh*. I'm saying the Giants having a higher pick DOES matter because it makes them more likely to get their QB.  

That's indisputable. Whatever logic you are applying for the Jags getting the QB over the Giants has to applied on the reverse

You keep saying the same thing over and over, but that does not change the fact that the highest bidder will get the QB. Maybe they will have to offer less, but that means we have to be ready to give up more picks. When it's all said and done, the Giants will only be a pick or two ahead of us. It's not like we're gonna be 10 picks behind them.

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*Sigh*. I'm saying the Giants having a higher pick DOES matter because it makes them more likely to get their QB.  

That's indisputable. Whatever logic you are applying for the Jags getting the QB over the Giants has to applied on the reverse

You keep saying the same thing over and over, but that does not change the fact that the highest bidder will get the QB. Maybe they will have to offer less, but that means we have to be ready to give up more picks. When it's all said and done, the Giants will only be a pick or two ahead of us. It's not like we're gonna be 10 picks behind them.

Teams panic when they need a QB. History is the teacher and the lesson. It will take a top 1-3 pick to be first at QB, no doubt. Going to be a very expensive ... VERY EXPENSIVE ..move up. I’m so happy we beat the Dolphins boys!

Ready to ship out next years 1st and 3 and  this years 1 2 and 3.. 

Yes that’s the price. Forget drafting o line in rounds 2/3... lol.

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You keep saying the same thing over and over, but that does not change the fact that the highest bidder will get the QB. Maybe they will have to offer less, but that means we have to be ready to give up more picks. When it's all said and done, the Giants will only be a pick or two ahead of us. It's not like we're gonna be 10 picks behind them.

Teams panic when they need a QB. History is the teacher and the lesson. It will take a top 1-3 pick to be first at QB, no doubt. Going to be a very expensive ... VERY EXPENSIVE ..move up. I’m so happy we beat the Dolphins boys!

Ready to ship out next years 1st and 3 and  this years 1 2 and 3.. 

Yes that’s the price. Forget drafting o line in rounds 2/3... lol.

We could still draft O-Line in rounds 3 and 4. That's even if we trade a 1st, 2nd and one of our 3rd's this season. This is pretty decent year for OG's. Not fantastic, but deep enough that they'll be some pretty good options in that 3-5 round area. As far as swing tackle, like I said before, the elite OT's go right away. We need a player with LT experience who can play either side of the O-Line at a level where we don't have to constantly worry about the QB getting killed or no running lanes being opened on the edge. We don't necessarily need an immediate pro bowler. Hopefully, our starters come back healthy and can play at a high level right away. Talented swing tackles can be found later in the draft, but our scouting department has to do their homework. The position has been completely ignored for a long while. I'm willing to take the risk of trading away high picks, if that means finding a franchise QB. We've always taken the "sit back and let the draft come to us," type of approach and we haven't had a franchise QB since Mark Brunell. It's time we got aggressive.

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*Sigh*. I'm saying the Giants having a higher pick DOES matter because it makes them more likely to get their QB.  

That's indisputable. Whatever logic you are applying for the Jags getting the QB over the Giants has to applied on the reverse

You keep saying the same thing over and over, but that does not change the fact that the highest bidder will get the QB. Maybe they will have to offer less, but that means we have to be ready to give up more picks. When it's all said and done, the Giants will only be a pick or two ahead of us. It's not like we're gonna be 10 picks behind them.

It's a given that the best offer will get the QB..that's the end result, not the process.

They'll be around 4 spots ahead of us.
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You keep saying the same thing over and over, but that does not change the fact that the highest bidder will get the QB. Maybe they will have to offer less, but that means we have to be ready to give up more picks. When it's all said and done, the Giants will only be a pick or two ahead of us. It's not like we're gonna be 10 picks behind them.

It's a given that the best offer will get the QB..that's the end result, not the process.

They'll be around 4 spots ahead of us.
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How? They're 3 spots ahead of us now Giants #6 Jags #9 (according to ESPN). Assuming we both lose, it should stay the same. I'm gonna be a huge Giants fan this weekend.

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The Giants would be stupid to draft Haskins. Our fans are the only ones dumb enough to think he'll be anything more than sub par.When he starts struggling he's going to fold like a lawn chair and never recover.

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A True Fan ladies and gentlemen:

Ramsey for Grier straight up

The Giants would be stupid to draft Haskins. Our fans are the only ones dumb enough to think he'll be anything more than sub par.When he starts struggling he's going to fold like a lawn chair and never recover.

Haskins sucks, Grier sucks, how do you feel about Lock?

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The Giants would be stupid to draft Haskins. Our fans are the only ones dumb enough to think he'll be anything more than sub par.When he starts struggling he's going to fold like a lawn chair and never recover.

Haskins sucks, Grier sucks, how do you feel about Lock?

Lock is the real deal. He's being compared with a mixture of Stafford, Cutler, and mahomes. While I would compare Haskins to Geno Smith.

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We need a QB a lot worse than the Giants do...

Not so convinced they go QB so early.

That being said... should they take Haskins it could prevent us from making a grave mistake.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

We need a QB a lot worse than the Giants do...

Not so convinced they go QB so early.

That being said... should they take Haskins it could prevent us from making a grave mistake.

Taking Fournette saved us from landing a QB in that very weak 2017 QB class. Thank god.

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I'd rather take BPA and then take some like Finley or Daniel Jones in the 2nd.

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This one was gold but there are more that get better

https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.ph...ht=Manning

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I don't even recognize the majority of the posters in that thread. Many of them could've been trolls and some looked like they got banned. I don't remember the national sports media over-hyping him. In fact, his stock fell a few weeks before the draft.

Nah... Teddy was "the most pro ready QB" he was supposed to be the 1st QB taken. Or at least that is what everyone told me.
He was super hyped by everyone except GMs of NFL teams, it would seem.
I actually remember having an argument with someone about him cuz Teddy was everyones favorite (Tank for Teddy) and I brought up the fact that some dude I'd never heard of named Blake Bortles played in the same conference, put up similar stats, and actually played better VS out of conference opponents (like Bortles beating Kentucky and Teddy struggling with Vandy, or something like that)
People said I was crazy. Then Caldwell actually drafted Blake Bortles....and Teddy was barely a first rounder after Minny traded up into the first to get him.
And people still hyping up Teddy... as a guy who is on his 3rd team and has taken few meaningful snaps in the past couple years...... people still want us to trade for him.

anywho...
Every year all sorts of arm chair GMs and wanna be scouts try to forecast the future of all these college QBs. Every year everyone gets most of it wrong.

Darnold and Allen were the top guys last year most pundits had Darnold going first... some had Allen as the top guy. Baker was my guy.
Baker looks the best, so far.
Every year the QB crop next year looks better... and every year (OK well... maybe not 2014) there's at least two stud QBs to come out of it.

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