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(01-18-2019, 09:48 AM)hb1148 Wrote: (01-18-2019, 01:05 AM)Eric1 Wrote: Yea lets just throw away at least $30m of cap space in 2019 on two average at best QBs (Bortles and Foles), when this team is already in the red as far as cap space goes in 2019..
It's either Bortles and a rookie, or a low priced stop gap Vet QB like Josh McCown and a rookie. Foles is gonna want to cash in and he's going to be looking for as much as he can possibly get.
This team needs to do whatever it takes to get Haskins.
I agree with the strategy if not the players. I'd take a hard look at Bridgewater and I wouldn't trade away the farm for Haskins. Although the sky's the limit in one sense, there's also a high risk factor there. If the cost is too high, I'd like to see them consider Daniel Jones. In a dream scenario, they could go OL in the 1st round and Jones somehow falls to them in the second round.
I don't even get the attraction to Bridgewater especially at his price. The two top FA QBs are Tyrod Taylor and Teddy. Think about it, and ask yourself if either is really that much better than Blake. If you think either is, you'll have to explain yourself, and even then, you need to ask yourself if the guy is truly worth more than $20 mil per year as I suspect they'll command as the top FAs. That's quite a lot of money to spend on additional garbage especially when we're already spending so much on Blake whether or not we keep him.
As for Foles, I'm leary of what he'll cost as well, but at least I'm confident in saying the guy is flat out better than Blake.
BTW, I wouldn't trade the farm for Haskins either, but in my mind trading the farm means moving up to a top-two pick. What I would do is trade away our 2nd and one of out 3rds in order to move up to #3 should the opportunity to get Haskins there arise.
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(01-18-2019, 11:54 AM)Jags02 Wrote: (01-18-2019, 09:48 AM)hb1148 Wrote: I agree with the strategy if not the players. I'd take a hard look at Bridgewater and I wouldn't trade away the farm for Haskins. Although the sky's the limit in one sense, there's also a high risk factor there. If the cost is too high, I'd like to see them consider Daniel Jones. In a dream scenario, they could go OL in the 1st round and Jones somehow falls to them in the second round.
I don't even get the attraction to Bridgewater especially at his price. The two top FA QBs are Tyrod Taylor and Teddy. Think about it, and ask yourself if either is really that much better than Blake. If you think either is, you'll have to explain yourself, and even then, you need to ask yourself if the guy is truly worth more than $20 mil per year as I suspect they'll command as the top FAs. That's quite a lot of money to spend on additional garbage especially when we're already spending so much on Blake whether or not we keep him.
As for Foles, I'm leary of what he'll cost as well, but at least I'm confident in saying the guy is flat out better than Blake.
BTW, I wouldn't trade the farm for Haskins either, but in my mind trading the farm means moving up to a top-two pick. What I would do is trade away our 2nd and one of out 3rds in order to move up to #3 should the opportunity to get Haskins there arise. I don't think they will need to trade the farm but do you think Houston or KC is regretting tarding a 1st rounder for their QBs? If you believe the QB is a franchise guy, you do what it takes to get them. Some on here and around the league think Haskins is that type of guy. Others don't.
Some people last year thought Mayfield was a 2nd or 3rd round talent. Cleveland didn't and they look poised to take the AFC North by storm in the next couple seasons.
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A question for everyone..If you were TC/DC, would you still choose the option you picked? I see a lot of posts backing their stance with reasons that can be attributed to ‘what’s best for the team” whether long or short term. With Shad Khan’s statement following the Houston game..
‘’I have the same trust in Tom, Dave and Doug as I did upon their introduction two years ago, and I do believe our best path forward for the moment is the one less disruptive and dramatic. Stability should not be confused with satisfaction, however. I am far from content with the status quo and while it’s best to put 2018 behind us, I will not overlook how poorly we accounted for ourselves following a 3-1 start. There were far too many long Sundays over the last three quarters of the season, with today’s loss in Houston being the final example, and that cannot repeat itself in 2019. That’s my message to our football people and players, but also our sponsors and fans, both of whom were remarkable."
Does, that have any bearing on what you would do to achieve quicker results? Would a rookie starting and going 7-9 be good enough to retain your job? Do you have multiple years to develop someone and get it right? Maybe I’m reading into that bolded part too much. Was just wondering if your jobs were on the line if the same answers would be given. I know I’ve been pro Foles since the end of the season, but I’ve had that statement in the back of my mind as well. I’m not trying to sway anyone by any means. Ive enjoyed reading the discussion on this topic. And curious how Shads patience could influence the decision, if any.
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(01-18-2019, 11:53 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: (01-18-2019, 11:47 AM)JagsorDie Wrote: I'm with you on that. either get a guy you know is the future or someone who you know will make an immediate impact. It won't be hard to be better on offense than the Jags were last season. I don't think anyone is denying that the offense will be better with Foles next season. However, if the price tag is 20+ million, I'm passing on him. I think Haskins gives the Jags the best chance at consistently winning games. I think he can play right away and I think he will continue to get better.
It'll be fascinating to see what kind of contracts the QBs get in free agency this year. Relatively speaking there are only a few teams really in need of a QB so it could be that less demand actually keeps the contracts very affordable. This could also be affected by the fact that next year has a bumper crop of rookie QBs, so teams on the fence about replacing their current starter may decide to stay put for another year.
Alternatively, you could argue that the lack of elite options in this years rookie group (Haskins is the only one close to a consensus blue-chip prospect) will actually drive up the price for FA QBs.
I don't know, I didn't study economics.
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(01-18-2019, 12:54 PM)Jags Wrote: A question for everyone..If you were TC/DC, would you still choose the option you picked? I see a lot of posts backing their stance with reasons that can be attributed to ‘what’s best for the team” whether long or short term. With Shad Khan’s statement following the Houston game..
‘’I have the same trust in Tom, Dave and Doug as I did upon their introduction two years ago, and I do believe our best path forward for the moment is the one less disruptive and dramatic. Stability should not be confused with satisfaction, however. I am far from content with the status quo and while it’s best to put 2018 behind us, I will not overlook how poorly we accounted for ourselves following a 3-1 start. There were far too many long Sundays over the last three quarters of the season, with today’s loss in Houston being the final example, and that cannot repeat itself in 2019. That’s my message to our football people and players, but also our sponsors and fans, both of whom were remarkable."
Does, that have any bearing on what you would do to achieve quicker results? Would a rookie starting and going 7-9 be good enough to retain your job? Do you have multiple years to develop someone and get it right? Maybe I’m reading into that bolded part too much. Was just wondering if your jobs were on the line if the same answers would be given. I know I’ve been pro Foles since the end of the season, but I’ve had that statement in the back of my mind as well. I’m not trying to sway anyone by any means. Ive enjoyed reading the discussion on this topic. And curious how Shads patience could influence the decision, if any. I most likely wouldn't be in this mess if I was TC/DC because I would have passed on Fournette and picked Mahomes or Watson.
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(01-18-2019, 12:57 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: (01-18-2019, 12:54 PM)Jags Wrote: A question for everyone..If you were TC/DC, would you still choose the option you picked? I see a lot of posts backing their stance with reasons that can be attributed to ‘what’s best for the team” whether long or short term. With Shad Khan’s statement following the Houston game..
‘’I have the same trust in Tom, Dave and Doug as I did upon their introduction two years ago, and I do believe our best path forward for the moment is the one less disruptive and dramatic. Stability should not be confused with satisfaction, however. I am far from content with the status quo and while it’s best to put 2018 behind us, I will not overlook how poorly we accounted for ourselves following a 3-1 start. There were far too many long Sundays over the last three quarters of the season, with today’s loss in Houston being the final example, and that cannot repeat itself in 2019. That’s my message to our football people and players, but also our sponsors and fans, both of whom were remarkable."
Does, that have any bearing on what you would do to achieve quicker results? Would a rookie starting and going 7-9 be good enough to retain your job? Do you have multiple years to develop someone and get it right? Maybe I’m reading into that bolded part too much. Was just wondering if your jobs were on the line if the same answers would be given. I know I’ve been pro Foles since the end of the season, but I’ve had that statement in the back of my mind as well. I’m not trying to sway anyone by any means. Ive enjoyed reading the discussion on this topic. And curious how Shads patience could influence the decision, if any. I most likely wouldn't be in this mess if I was TC/DC because I would have passed on Fournette and picked Mahomes or Watson.
Touché
I guess that doesn’t bode well for our expectations.
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