Foles would be an instant upgrade over Bortles. And with our defense, we don't need to ask our quarterback to do much. I'd rather take Foles, draft some WRS and TEs - strengthen our OL....and then, next year, draft a QB from a much better class.

The "alleged" much better class. You never really know.

Not sold on Haskins. While I think he very well could wind up as a better QB than, Bortles, he'll have to go through a learning curve as a rookie, and the Jags will suffer because of it.

Also, I wonder if Haskin's success at OSU is based on Meyer, and the tremendous talent around him.  If we're going to take a QB this year, I'd feel safer with a low risk pick like Grier or Finley in the second round.

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The "alleged" much better class. You never really know.

Not sold on Haskins. While I think he very well could wind up as a better QB than, Bortles, he'll have to go through a learning curve as a rookie, and the Jags will suffer because of it.

Also, I wonder if Haskin's success at OSU is based on Meyer, and the tremendous talent around him.  If we're going to take a QB this year, I'd feel safer with a low risk pick like Grier or Finley in the second round.

I know a lot of people won't like this opinion, but I really think a 2nd round QB pick this year is a waste. If that Jags route, it probably means they got Foles and are going all in for the next 2 years. They have too many holes to use an early 2nd round pick on a player who won't really contribute for 2 seasons. It would be the Taven Bryan thing all over again, but in excess. On top of that, Grier and Finley have host of holes and red flags in their play in college.

It would be drafting a QB just to say you did.  If they want to go the rookie QB route, they should just go big for Haskins or Murray.

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Not sold on Haskins. While I think he very well could wind up as a better QB than, Bortles, he'll have to go through a learning curve as a rookie, and the Jags will suffer because of it.

Also, I wonder if Haskin's success at OSU is based on Meyer, and the tremendous talent around him.  If we're going to take a QB this year, I'd feel safer with a low risk pick like Grier or Finley in the second round.

I know a lot of people won't like this opinion, but I really think a 2nd round QB pick this year is a waste. If that Jags route, it probably means they got Foles and are going all in for the next 2 years. They have too many holes to use an early 2nd round pick on a player who won't really contribute for 2 seasons. It would be the Taven Bryan thing all over again, but in excess. On top of that, Grier and Finley have host of holes and red flags in their play in college.

It would be drafting a QB just to say you did.  If they want to go the rookie QB route, they should just go big for Haskins or Murray.

The later round QB I really like is the kid out of Northwestern. I would be really happy if we took him in the later rounds.

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Not sold on Haskins. While I think he very well could wind up as a better QB than, Bortles, he'll have to go through a learning curve as a rookie, and the Jags will suffer because of it.

Also, I wonder if Haskin's success at OSU is based on Meyer, and the tremendous talent around him.  If we're going to take a QB this year, I'd feel safer with a low risk pick like Grier or Finley in the second round.

I know a lot of people won't like this opinion, but I really think a 2nd round QB pick this year is a waste. If that Jags route, it probably means they got Foles and are going all in for the next 2 years. They have too many holes to use an early 2nd round pick on a player who won't really contribute for 2 seasons. It would be the Taven Bryan thing all over again, but in excess. On top of that, Grier and Finley have host of holes and red flags in their play in college.

It would be drafting a QB just to say you did.  If they want to go the rookie QB route, they should just go big for Haskins or Murray.

I don't think Haskins or Murray is worth building the franchise around. If we can make the numbers work, without having to do many major cuts, I'd like to have Foles.

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Haskins will definitely be better then Foles in his career.

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The "alleged" much better class. You never really know.

Not sold on Haskins. While I think he very well could wind up as a better QB than, Bortles, he'll have to go through a learning curve as a rookie, and the Jags will suffer because of it.

Also, I wonder if Haskin's success at OSU is based on Meyer, and the tremendous talent around him.  If we're going to take a QB this year, I'd feel safer with a low risk pick like Grier or Finley in the second round.

All rookies have a learning curve so that point doesn't make too much sense. Grier or Finley in the 2nd seems like the worst possible move for this team. How many 2nd round QBs pan out? The vast majority of QBs starting in this league are 1st rounders. Brady, Dak and Wilson were not drafted to be starters but were backups that got pushed into the starting role.

Haskins is nothing like the former QBs under Meyer. You have to judge QBs solely on their skills are a passer and their ability to read a defense. Haskins has apparently been killing it on the white board for teams because he has the ability to quickly process a play. Something Blake could never do.

To me, there are only 2 QBs worth taking this year: Murray and Haskins. Drafting any other QB would be a mistake.

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Not sold on Haskins. While I think he very well could wind up as a better QB than, Bortles, he'll have to go through a learning curve as a rookie, and the Jags will suffer because of it.

Also, I wonder if Haskin's success at OSU is based on Meyer, and the tremendous talent around him.  If we're going to take a QB this year, I'd feel safer with a low risk pick like Grier or Finley in the second round.

All rookies have a learning curve so that point doesn't make too much sense. Grier or Finley in the 2nd seems like the worst possible move for this team. How many 2nd round QBs pan out? The vast majority of QBs starting in this league are 1st rounders. Brady, Dak and Wilson were not drafted to be starters but were backups that got pushed into the starting role.

Haskins is nothing like the former QBs under Meyer. You have to judge QBs solely on their skills are a passer and their ability to read a defense. Haskins has apparently been killing it on the white board for teams because he has the ability to quickly process a play. Something Blake could never do.

To me, there are only 2 QBs worth taking this year: Murray and Haskins. Drafting any other QB would be a mistake.

How many good QBs have come out of Ohio State? How many QBs under Meyer went to the NFL, and how long did they last?  You could be right about Haskins, and if the Jags draft him, I pray you are. I like Foles because there are less unknowns with him. That's really the discussion at this point, IMO.

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I know a lot of people won't like this opinion, but I really think a 2nd round QB pick this year is a waste. If that Jags route, it probably means they got Foles and are going all in for the next 2 years. They have too many holes to use an early 2nd round pick on a player who won't really contribute for 2 seasons. It would be the Taven Bryan thing all over again, but in excess. On top of that, Grier and Finley have host of holes and red flags in their play in college.

It would be drafting a QB just to say you did.  If they want to go the rookie QB route, they should just go big for Haskins or Murray.

I don't think Haskins or Murray is worth building the franchise around. If we can make the numbers work, without having to do many major cuts, I'd like to have Foles.

I agree with you. Though Pete Prisco has been banging on the drums that Coughlin prefers Haskins to Foles.

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All rookies have a learning curve so that point doesn't make too much sense. Grier or Finley in the 2nd seems like the worst possible move for this team. How many 2nd round QBs pan out? The vast majority of QBs starting in this league are 1st rounders. Brady, Dak and Wilson were not drafted to be starters but were backups that got pushed into the starting role.

Haskins is nothing like the former QBs under Meyer. You have to judge QBs solely on their skills are a passer and their ability to read a defense. Haskins has apparently been killing it on the white board for teams because he has the ability to quickly process a play. Something Blake could never do.

To me, there are only 2 QBs worth taking this year: Murray and Haskins. Drafting any other QB would be a mistake.

How many good QBs have come out of Ohio State? How many QBs under Meyer went to the NFL, and how long did they last?  You could be right about Haskins, and if the Jags draft him, I pray you are. I like Foles because there are less unknowns with him. That's really the discussion at this point, IMO.

I agree that we don't know how Haskins will turn out but you can't judge him based on previous QBs at OSU or under Meyer. He is his own person. Just curious, which college coaches produce the best NFL QBs? Which universities produce the best ones? There is no pattern at all when drafting a QB. They come from schools and coaches with horrible QB backgrounds. Judging Haskins poorly because he played at OSU and under Meyer is just lazy. Those Purdue QBs never work out well... except for Brees. Those Michigan QBs never work out... well except for Brady. Those Texas Tech QBs come from pass happy offenses and never work out in the pros.... well except for Mahomes.

And we know who Foles is. He's an average QB who has high highs and low lows. I'm willing to take Haskins and hopefully give this franchise it's first ever true franchise QB.

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How many good QBs have come out of Ohio State? How many QBs under Meyer went to the NFL, and how long did they last?  You could be right about Haskins, and if the Jags draft him, I pray you are. I like Foles because there are less unknowns with him. That's really the discussion at this point, IMO.

I agree that we don't know how Haskins will turn out but you can't judge him based on previous QBs at OSU or under Meyer. He is his own person. Just curious, which college coaches produce the best NFL QBs? Which universities produce the best ones? There is no pattern at all when drafting a QB. They come from schools and coaches with horrible QB backgrounds. Judging Haskins poorly because he played at OSU and under Meyer is just lazy. Those Purdue QBs never work out well... except for Brees. Those Michigan QBs never work out... well except for Brady. Those Texas Tech QBs come from pass happy offenses and never work out in the pros.... well except for Mahomes.

And we know who Foles is. He's an average QB who has high highs and low lows. I'm willing to take Haskins and hopefully give this franchise it's first ever true franchise QB.

You forgot about all the terrible Jeff Tedford QBs, until Rodgers.

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All rookies have a learning curve so that point doesn't make too much sense. Grier or Finley in the 2nd seems like the worst possible move for this team. How many 2nd round QBs pan out? The vast majority of QBs starting in this league are 1st rounders. Brady, Dak and Wilson were not drafted to be starters but were backups that got pushed into the starting role.

Haskins is nothing like the former QBs under Meyer. You have to judge QBs solely on their skills are a passer and their ability to read a defense. Haskins has apparently been killing it on the white board for teams because he has the ability to quickly process a play. Something Blake could never do.

To me, there are only 2 QBs worth taking this year: Murray and Haskins. Drafting any other QB would be a mistake.

How many good QBs have come out of Ohio State? How many QBs under Meyer went to the NFL, and how long did they last?  You could be right about Haskins, and if the Jags draft him, I pray you are. I like Foles because there are less unknowns with him. That's really the discussion at this point, IMO.

The QB history of Ohio State has no bearing on Haskins's NFL career.

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I’m back and forth a bit on all of this but I see a number of ways the Jags can upgrade at QB this year.

My favorite options at the moment are:

- sign Foles to a two-three year deal and draft Grier in the second if he’s there

- draft Haskins at 7 or in a fair trade up

I’m still on the fence about Murray

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I’m back and forth a bit on all of this but I see a number of ways the Jags can upgrade at QB this year.

My favorite options at the moment are:

- sign Foles to a two-three year deal and draft Grier in the second if he’s there

- draft Haskins at 7 or in a fair trade up

I’m still on the fence about Murray

Haskins or bust

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I’m back and forth a bit on all of this but I see a number of ways the Jags can upgrade at QB this year.

My favorite options at the moment are:

- sign Foles to a two-three year deal and draft Grier in the second if he’s there

- draft Haskins at 7 or in a fair trade up

I’m still on the fence about Murray

Prefer Haskins but if you go the Foles route...don't grab Grier unless it's the 3rd round.  

Those 1st two picks should be TE/OL/WR if you go with Foles.

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I’m back and forth a bit on all of this but I see a number of ways the Jags can upgrade at QB this year.

My favorite options at the moment are:

- sign Foles to a two-three year deal and draft Grier in the second if he’s there

- draft Haskins at 7 or in a fair trade up

I’m still on the fence about Murray

Prefer Haskins but if you go the Foles route...don't grab Grier unless it's the 3rd round.  

Those 1st two picks should be TE/OL/WR if you go with Foles.

If they throw away their money on Foles, there's no point in even taking a QB in this draft. They need to use those picks to add as many pieces on Offense around him as they can.

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Foles would be an instant upgrade over Bortles. And with our defense, we don't need to ask our quarterback to do much. I'd rather take Foles, draft some WRS and TEs - strengthen our OL....and then, next year, draft a QB from a much better class.

Our defense should still be formidable, but I think we're going to have to ask the QB to win quite a bit next year. We have major question marks at safety and linebacker, and our dline depth is gone. I really don't think plugging in Foles and telling him not to screw it up is going to win us a super bowl.

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Foles would be an instant upgrade over Bortles. And with our defense, we don't need to ask our quarterback to do much. I'd rather take Foles, draft some WRS and TEs - strengthen our OL....and then, next year, draft a QB from a much better class.

Our defense should still be formidable, but I think we're going to have to ask the QB to win quite a bit next year. We have major question marks at safety and linebacker, and our dline depth is gone. I really don't think plugging in Foles and telling him not to screw it up is going to win us a super bowl.

Fitzpatrick as an interim quarterback and draft Murry or Daniel Jones for a future starter. Fitz will not break the bank and I believe he is a better QB than Foles.  Murry has developed the ability to move out of the pocket to compensate for his hight to provide downfield vision and avoid d lineman from batting down the ball. He looks to pass the ball downfield and has the option to run the ball if coverage dictates. The only question is can he take the punishment of an NFL quarterback. Maybe not ten years ago but with the rules protecting the quarterback in today's game he has a much better chance for a long career in the NFL.  I see Foles as the second coming of Cousins and a great way to destroy any cap room for the future.

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The "alleged" much better class. You never really know.

Not sold on Haskins. While I think he very well could wind up as a better QB than, Bortles, he'll have to go through a learning curve as a rookie, and the Jags will suffer because of it.

Also, I wonder if Haskin's success at OSU is based on Meyer, and the tremendous talent around him.  If we're going to take a QB this year, I'd feel safer with a low risk pick like Grier or Finley in the second round.

Remember when Goff and Wentz were both suppsed to be terrible while Winston and Mariota were going to be great?

You take the guy you think is a Franchise QB regardless of what next year is "supposed" to be.

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That BBC article on what the eagles want to do with foles has.mortenson saying they want a third for him. I mean if thats all they want the jags better figure out a way to make that happen

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They could draft a qb and cut bortles for foles and we would have an inexpensive backup and foles on the tag for a year to figure out contracts if they cant right away

The Eagles aren't going to guarantee $20-25 M for Foles to trade him for "just" a third rounder.  That's non-sensical.  They're going to seek a 1st rounder and with the Giants, Redskins, Jaguars, Broncos, even the Bengals looking to upgrade their QB situation they'll likely get it - or at least a 2nd and additional picks.  

The Jags have too many holes to fill to give up valuable draft picks to either move up OR trade for a QB.  

I'd much rather see them trade back for extra picks instead.  Pick up someone like Lock or Grier in the 2nd, replace some of the players they'll be forced to cut with cheap draft picks.  We need help at OG, OT, TE, WR, QB - it's not a 1 year re-tooling.

I agree with this IF we do get Foles. I'm thinking of two options...

1. We get Foles, keep Blake as his backup and as insurance, and then in the draft either take Lock at #7 or get a TE, WR or RT at #1 and use the 2nd pick for a QB (Grier or Jones). Now, I can see trading up slightly with that 2nd in order to get the 5th round option on our new QB with a late round one, but with Foles on board, I'd rather not trade way up to get Haskins.

or...

2. We stick with Blake as a gate QB and trade up to #3 if he's there to get Haskins. Then we get a couple prime FA targets at TE, WR and/or RT with the money we're not spending on Foles. 

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That's the dream, but I'm not counting on it to happen. I have a feeling we will draft either Lock or Jones and we'll end up having this same type of discussion in 3 years when we are looking for another starting QB, because we "whiffed" again.

The Jags live scouted Ohio State at least 5 times this 2018 season. They were basically at every other Ohio State game. There's only one player on that team they went to see live that many times and he plays the QB position. We'll find out shortly in March at FA time about how they go about the QB position, but I think the Jags are going to make a serious play for Haskins in this Draft.

They didn't live scout any other QB that much this season.

If it's one thing I've learned over trying to predict draft picks, it's that extensive working out and obsveration of a player does not always translate into the guy being the pick. When you have a guy like Haskins where you might want to trade away a fortune worth of picks to go up and get, that's not an easy decision. You want to know every last thing about the guy so you can make the best decision. When should you go for it? At what point do you say it's just too much? With that in mind, I expect them to be at every possible Haskins' workout. I do get the feeling they take him if he's there, and I've been advocating that we should trade up to #3 if he gets that far, but all of this has to evaluated as thoroughly as possible. It doesn't mean we're trading up to #1 or getting Haskins at all costs. 

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