Because we do so at the expense of the future of the franchise? There's two sides to that coin, of course. If we had drafted better talent in years prior, we wouldn't have to continually break the bank on day one of FA. If we drafted better talent, we could afford to trade players and recoup value. If we had deeper roster depth, we could allow players to play out the duration of their contracts, and get comp picks when they depart in FA.

I'm glad they did something, but did the FO paint us into a corner with that contract? We've already had to jettison some guys to make room for this deal - which guys in the future will be sent packing because they are no longer affordable?

I mean, that's literally exactly what's happening with the exiting FAs they're being replaced by guys we drafted. Hell Malik was already becoming a rotational player with Taven Bryan starting by the end of last year, no?

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My problem with the Foles signing is tying up franchise QB money in the latest Matt Flynn.

People wanted to get rid of Bortles for the next Patrick Mahomes, not a slightly less limited version of Bortles that can't run. If this move means the Jaguars pass on yet another franchise QB then it was a horrible move. The team needs to find management that can identify franchise quarterbacks in the draft.

I'm pretty sure all 32 teams have been looking for a Patrick Mahomes since the league started lol

And this team took their turn passing on him.

Mahomes is an extreme example, but point is there are franchise QBs in drafts even when they're not widely regarded as such before the draft. The problem is you have to have management that can do more than just make picks based on need and actually figure out which players will become stars instead of just contributors. I've seen way to much need picking on the first round from this team, and if any QB available to them when they pick in the first round goes on to be a franchise guy then it's an indictment on this front office if they pass on them.

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I think I still like this front office. I'm a little on the fence though since Coughlin came on board since it's tough to nail down which guys are influencing which picks the most.

I like how they aren't afraid to move on from guys with big salaries and I think its a trend that will serve them well in the end.

I like that they employ some money and contract legalise specialists that seem to be very smart with contract structures.

I like Dave's ability to mine starters in the mid rounds. Wish he'd have hit on more early picks, but...

I'd have done different things with the Smoot and Bryan picks, but those guys could really show up this year. We'll see.

If this F.O. is able to round out this offense during by May with a viable starting combo at RT/RG, a stud TE and a pass catching C.o.P. running back, I'll be a happy Jags fan.  Clearly they need a few other things too, but just those four will renew my optimism about competing for the division.

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That's certainly doable in this draft.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

I knew we would release those players and actually have been myself for 6 months playing madden trying to play around in my spare time.  Not surprised at all and is exactly what I have been doing in the game world.  Foles signing sucks because just as I argued before.  No OL, TE in last years draft and now we are here again drinking the koolaid because we have Foles.  Now lets get OL TE and championship.  The FO has been dumb for the past year plus in the offseason but I guess since everyone hated BB then this is heading us in the right direction.  We had horrid playcalling last year and now are revamping the playbook.  Its like when ppl called these things out we were looked at as dumb or BB supporters but now when they do it, its genius.  Stop drinking the koolaid and use your Football Common Sense. I know common sense isn't common but I have more faith in Jags fans over others.

OMG!


I've been saying this for so long. 

Thank you sir.

Most fans and the MB has been drinking that media kool-aid for real. Local radio, national syndicates, Johnny Johnny, etc. Everyone drunk off that bs Kool-aid.

Just like Bortles, Foles is gonna be dead in the water if they dont get him some MAJOR help.

You guys just don't get it. Bortles, as inconsistent as he's been, took the team to the brink of the Superbowl in 2017. In 2018, there was a tremendous regression. Why? Was it because Bortles suddenly got terrible? No, he was as average as he ever was but the OL was decimated by injuries. In fact I'm not sure if any team has ever lost as many starters and backups on the OL as the Jaguars did. And they lost their number 1 and number 2 tight ends and they lost their number 1 and number 3 running backs for extended periods and they lost their number 1 receiver before the season started. You're making the rookie mistake of giving the QB too much credit when they win and too much blame when they lose. There was all kinds of stuff going wrong offensively last year.

But listen, no need to run for the Modis Building. The offense that went to the AFC Championship game in 2017 is still there (ok, we'll have to find another TE but that's what the draft's for). But this time we'll have a QB with them that can play consistently. Sure, he's not Brady or Brees but he can play better than Blake on his better days and he can do it consistently.

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I'm condescending. That means I talk down to you.

OMG!


I've been saying this for so long. 

Thank you sir.

Most fans and the MB has been drinking that media kool-aid for real. Local radio, national syndicates, Johnny Johnny, etc. Everyone drunk off that bs Kool-aid.

Just like Bortles, Foles is gonna be dead in the water if they dont get him some MAJOR help.

You guys just don't get it. Bortles, as inconsistent as he's been, took the team to the brink of the Superbowl in 2017. In 2018, there was a tremendous regression. Why? Was it because Bortles suddenly got terrible? No, he was as average as he ever was but the OL was decimated by injuries. In fact I'm not sure if any team has ever lost as many starters and backups on the OL as the Jaguars did. And they lost their number 1 and number 2 tight ends and they lost their number 1 and number 3 running backs for extended periods and they lost their number 1 receiver before the season started. You're making the rookie mistake of giving the QB too much credit when they win and too much blame when they lose. There was all kinds of stuff going wrong offensively last year.

But listen, no need to run for the Modis Building. The offense that went to the AFC Championship game in 2017 is still there (ok, we'll have to find another TE but that's what the draft's for). But this time we'll have a QB with them that can play consistently. Sure, he's not Brady or Brees but he can play better than Blake on his better days and he can do it consistently.

Preach!

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OMG!


I've been saying this for so long. 

Thank you sir.

Most fans and the MB has been drinking that media kool-aid for real. Local radio, national syndicates, Johnny Johnny, etc. Everyone drunk off that bs Kool-aid.

Just like Bortles, Foles is gonna be dead in the water if they dont get him some MAJOR help.

You guys just don't get it. Bortles, as inconsistent as he's been, took the team to the brink of the Superbowl in 2017. In 2018, there was a tremendous regression. Why? Was it because Bortles suddenly got terrible? No, he was as average as he ever was but the OL was decimated by injuries. In fact I'm not sure if any team has ever lost as many starters and backups on the OL as the Jaguars did. And they lost their number 1 and number 2 tight ends and they lost their number 1 and number 3 running backs for extended periods and they lost their number 1 receiver before the season started. You're making the rookie mistake of giving the QB too much credit when they win and too much blame when they lose. There was all kinds of stuff going wrong offensively last year.

But listen, no need to run for the Modis Building. The offense that went to the AFC Championship game in 2017 is still there (ok, we'll have to find another TE but that's what the draft's for). But this time we'll have a QB with them that can play consistently. Sure, he's not Brady or Brees but he can play better than Blake on his better days and he can do it consistently.

Bortes wasn't average this year, he was one of the worst non rookie QBs in the league. same as he was in 2016 and same as he was as a rookie. 3 years out of 5 as one of the worst QBs in football is not something an average QB does. Its okay to admit he was bad this year and that we had lots of injuries as the season went on

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You guys just don't get it. Bortles, as inconsistent as he's been, took the team to the brink of the Superbowl in 2017. In 2018, there was a tremendous regression. Why? Was it because Bortles suddenly got terrible? No, he was as average as he ever was but the OL was decimated by injuries. In fact I'm not sure if any team has ever lost as many starters and backups on the OL as the Jaguars did. And they lost their number 1 and number 2 tight ends and they lost their number 1 and number 3 running backs for extended periods and they lost their number 1 receiver before the season started. You're making the rookie mistake of giving the QB too much credit when they win and too much blame when they lose. There was all kinds of stuff going wrong offensively last year.

But listen, no need to run for the Modis Building. The offense that went to the AFC Championship game in 2017 is still there (ok, we'll have to find another TE but that's what the draft's for). But this time we'll have a QB with them that can play consistently. Sure, he's not Brady or Brees but he can play better than Blake on his better days and he can do it consistently.

Bortes wasn't average this year, he was one of the worst non rookie QBs in the league. same as he was in 2016 and same as he was as a rookie. 3 years out of 5 as one of the worst QBs in football is not something an average QB does. Its okay to admit he was bad this year and that we had lots of injuries as the season went on

He played average. His decision making was average. His vision was probably a bit below average. His completion percentage was average. His running ability was above average. By most statistical measures he was average or close enough to make no matter. You're confusing the performance of the team with the performance of the player.

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I'm condescending. That means I talk down to you.

Bortes wasn't average this year, he was one of the worst non rookie QBs in the league. same as he was in 2016 and same as he was as a rookie. 3 years out of 5 as one of the worst QBs in football is not something an average QB does. Its okay to admit he was bad this year and that we had lots of injuries as the season went on

He played average. His decision making was average. His vision was probably a bit below average. His completion percentage was average. His running ability was above average. By most statistical measures he was average or close enough to make no matter. You're confusing the performance of the team with the performance of the player.

We must have been watching different Qbs all year.

I mean, if you wanna go by stats alone he was bottom 5 in completion %, passer rating, td rate, AY/A. So which statistical measures show he was average or close to it?

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Bortes wasn't average this year, he was one of the worst non rookie QBs in the league. same as he was in 2016 and same as he was as a rookie. 3 years out of 5 as one of the worst QBs in football is not something an average QB does. Its okay to admit he was bad this year and that we had lots of injuries as the season went on

He played average. His decision making was average. His vision was probably a bit below average. His completion percentage was average. His running ability was above average. By most statistical measures he was average or close enough to make no matter. You're confusing the performance of the team with the performance of the player.

You are totally ignoring how much he forced the Jags to limit the offensive playbook and trust him to make a pass. The coaches had more faith that Fournette could convert a 3 and 5 into a stacked box than Blake being accurate enough to make that pass. That should tell you everything you need to know.

Plus, both Bortles and Kessler missed and didn't throw to open WR repeatedly throughout the season.

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Bortes wasn't average this year, he was one of the worst non rookie QBs in the league. same as he was in 2016 and same as he was as a rookie. 3 years out of 5 as one of the worst QBs in football is not something an average QB does. Its okay to admit he was bad this year and that we had lots of injuries as the season went on

He played average. His decision making was average. His vision was probably a bit below average. His completion percentage was average. His running ability was above average. By most statistical measures he was average or close enough to make no matter. You're confusing the performance of the team with the performance of the player.

You must be confusing Blake with just about every single other QB.

Blake was below average at just about everything outside of rushing. 

He was average in 2017 and his “great playoff performances” weren’t even that good. The wins against Buffalo and Pitt held this team back from truly evaluating the QB position. He threw for 214 and a TD against Pitt. Wow! Sign me up for that! That’s amazing.

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He played average. His decision making was average. His vision was probably a bit below average. His completion percentage was average. His running ability was above average. By most statistical measures he was average or close enough to make no matter. You're confusing the performance of the team with the performance of the player.

You must be confusing Blake with just about every single other QB.

Blake was below average at just about everything outside of rushing. 

He was average in 2017 and his “great playoff performances” weren’t even that good. The wins against Buffalo and Pitt held this team back from truly evaluating the QB position. He threw for 214 and a TD against Pitt. Wow! Sign me up for that! That’s amazing.

That's pretty much the definition of average. Some people on this board must think 350 yards and 3 touchdowns are average, that's actually pretty elite. I'm not defending Bortles, I'm glad we signed Foles but to call Bortles the worst player in the NFL last year is to completely ignore what happened to the offense overall. Let's inject a little realism into the discussion.

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I'm condescending. That means I talk down to you.

Blake was average in all but one singular thing.

His rushing average was spectacular.

Not that it mattered when all was said and done, but it was ridiculously impressive.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

When the Eagles exercised the option on Foles' deal, they were willing to pay him $20 million to be the backup.

Foles had a buyout that he exercised.

Knowing that the Eagles were willing to risk that amount (because there would be no guarantee they could work out a trade), why would Foles not demand at least that much?

I live just outside of philly I listen to philly sports radio on the way to work everyday that was predetermined by both party’s that he would just decline and pay the 2 million back it wasn’t going to work salary wise plus he wanted his own team so it was a mutual respect thing. The eagles didn’t pick that up thinking he was going to accept it or they’d never would have.

If it was predetermined by both sides he was leaving, why pick up the option and force him to pay $2 mil to opt out? Wouldn't it be more respectful to let him go without having to give back bonus money?
And since he paid $2 mil to pass on $20 mil, that would be his starting point for negotiations.  Should we have played hardball and made him regret his decision to leave Philly?

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You must be confusing Blake with just about every single other QB.

Blake was below average at just about everything outside of rushing. 

He was average in 2017 and his “great playoff performances” weren’t even that good. The wins against Buffalo and Pitt held this team back from truly evaluating the QB position. He threw for 214 and a TD against Pitt. Wow! Sign me up for that! That’s amazing.

That's pretty much the definition of average. Some people on this board must think 350 yards and 3 touchdowns are average, that's actually pretty elite. I'm not defending Bortles, I'm glad we signed Foles but to call Bortles the worst player in the NFL last year is to completely ignore what happened to the offense overall. Let's inject a little realism into the discussion.

I'd argue that Washington was as affected by injuries to their offense last year and were still more effective after the injuries with a QB off the couch.

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You must be confusing Blake with just about every single other QB.

Blake was below average at just about everything outside of rushing. 

He was average in 2017 and his “great playoff performances” weren’t even that good. The wins against Buffalo and Pitt held this team back from truly evaluating the QB position. He threw for 214 and a TD against Pitt. Wow! Sign me up for that! That’s amazing.

That's pretty much the definition of average. Some people on this board must think 350 yards and 3 touchdowns are average, that's actually pretty elite. I'm not defending Bortles, I'm glad we signed Foles but to call Bortles the worst player in the NFL last year is to completely ignore what happened to the offense overall. Let's inject a little realism into the discussion.

If we're injecting realism into the discussion then where does the "he was average by most statistical measures" come into play? Or was that just a throwaway line without any evidence of it

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That's pretty much the definition of average. Some people on this board must think 350 yards and 3 touchdowns are average, that's actually pretty elite. I'm not defending Bortles, I'm glad we signed Foles but to call Bortles the worst player in the NFL last year is to completely ignore what happened to the offense overall. Let's inject a little realism into the discussion.

If we're injecting realism into the discussion then where does the "he was average by most statistical measures" come into play? Or was that just a throwaway line without any evidence of it

Since we're talking realism, the actual quote was "he was average or close enough to make no matter".  Maybe you think improving his INT% by a couple percentage points to get him to average would have made a big enough difference to get the Jags in the playoffs, but I'd have to disagree.

Comp% league average 65.1%, Bortles was 93% of that, close enough to average to not matter.
TD% league average 4.92, Bortles was 65% of that, bad this is enough to actually matter.
Y/A league average was 7.49, Bortles was 89.7% of that, close enough to average to not matter.
Y/G league average was 252.2, Bortles as 83% of that, close enough to average to not matter.
NY/A league average was 6.56, Bortles was 90.3% of that, close enough to average to not matter.
Int% league average was 2.37, Bortles was 113% of that, close enough to average to not matter.

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I'm condescending. That means I talk down to you.

If we're injecting realism into the discussion then where does the "he was average by most statistical measures" come into play? Or was that just a throwaway line without any evidence of it

Since we're talking realism, the actual quote was "he was average or close enough to make no matter".  Maybe you think improving his INT% by a couple percentage points to get him to average would have made a big enough difference to get the Jags in the playoffs, but I'd have to disagree.

Comp% league average 65.1%, Bortles was 93% of that, close enough to average to not matter.
TD% league average 4.92, Bortles was 65% of that, bad this is enough to actually matter.
Y/A league average was 7.49, Bortles was 89.7% of that, close enough to average to not matter.
Y/G league average was 252.2, Bortles as 83% of that, close enough to average to not matter.
NY/A league average was 6.56, Bortles was 90.3% of that, close enough to average to not matter.
Int% league average was 2.37, Bortles was 113% of that, close enough to average to not matter.

You could just pull up Bortles' football reference page, go down to advanced stats, and they show all of his rate+ stats weighted so that 100 is league average for that season. Way, way easier and more consistent.

But if you did that you'd be forced to see that there were very few 100+ numbers in his 5 years. He's been awful, average, awful, average, and then awful again in his career.

And Foles has been overall pretty average himself, albeit with huge up and down swings.

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If we're injecting realism into the discussion then where does the "he was average by most statistical measures" come into play? Or was that just a throwaway line without any evidence of it

Since we're talking realism, the actual quote was "he was average or close enough to make no matter".  Maybe you think improving his INT% by a couple percentage points to get him to average would have made a big enough difference to get the Jags in the playoffs, but I'd have to disagree.

Comp% league average 65.1%, Bortles was 93% of that, close enough to average to not matter.
TD% league average 4.92, Bortles was 65% of that, bad this is enough to actually matter.
Y/A league average was 7.49, Bortles was 89.7% of that, close enough to average to not matter.
Y/G league average was 252.2, Bortles as 83% of that, close enough to average to not matter.
NY/A league average was 6.56, Bortles was 90.3% of that, close enough to average to not matter.
Int% league average was 2.37, Bortles was 113% of that, close enough to average to not matter.

I hope this is troll post because this is one of the most amazingly backwards posts on statistics I've ever seen on here. 

It's not about one stat being slightly below average or slightly above average, it's about MOST of Blake's stats being well below average. Nobody of a sane mind could look at his stats and try say most of them were of an average level or so close to average it doesn't matter. 

Let's list them out. Overall 41 players threw 100 pass attempts in 2018, here are Blakes rank in each. 

Passer rating : 35/41 
Completion %: 35/41 
TD rate : 35/41 
Interception rate: 27/41 
YPA: 32/41 
AY/A: 33/41
ANY/A : 27/41 

In Blake's very best rate stat he was still below average.
By most statistical measures he was well below average as a QB (that should have been evident just by watching him). Your claim is completely debunked and the method you just tried use to double down on it is woefully inadequate.

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Since we're talking realism, the actual quote was "he was average or close enough to make no matter".  Maybe you think improving his INT% by a couple percentage points to get him to average would have made a big enough difference to get the Jags in the playoffs, but I'd have to disagree.

Comp% league average 65.1%, Bortles was 93% of that, close enough to average to not matter.
TD% league average 4.92, Bortles was 65% of that, bad this is enough to actually matter.
Y/A league average was 7.49, Bortles was 89.7% of that, close enough to average to not matter.
Y/G league average was 252.2, Bortles as 83% of that, close enough to average to not matter.
NY/A league average was 6.56, Bortles was 90.3% of that, close enough to average to not matter.
Int% league average was 2.37, Bortles was 113% of that, close enough to average to not matter.

I hope this is troll post because this is one of the most amazingly backwards posts on statistics I've ever seen on here. 

It's not about one stat being slightly below average or slightly above average, it's about MOST of Blake's stats being well below average. Nobody of a sane mind could look at his stats and try say most of them were of an average level or so close to average it doesn't matter. 

Let's list them out. Overall 41 players threw 100 pass attempts in 2018, here are Blakes rank in each. 

Passer rating : 35/41 
Completion %: 35/41 
TD rate : 35/41 
Interception rate: 27/41 
YPA: 32/41 
AY/A: 33/41
ANY/A : 27/41 

In Blake's very best rate stat he was still below average.
By most statistical measures he was well below average as a QB (that should have been evident just by watching him). Your claim is completely debunked and the method you just tried use to double down on it is woefully inadequate.

Lol, you asked, so don't blame the messenger. The stats are completely accurate and I'll stand by them. If you disagree that being within 90% of average is not close to average then that's your problem. Someone may decide to post a bell curve and determine what the standard deviation is for some of those stats but honestly, at this point you've gone completely off the farm/topic and it's not worth it.

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I'm condescending. That means I talk down to you.

Lol, you asked, so don't blame the messenger. The stats are completely accurate and I'll stand by them. If you disagree that being within 90% of average is not close to average then that's your problem. Someone may decide to post a bell curve and determine what the standard deviation is for some of those stats but honestly, at this point you've gone completely off the farm/topic and it's not worth it.

I think you're underestimating how big of a difference being 10% below average across the board would be. A QB who was at 90 across the board in rate+ stats would be among the worst QBs in the league.

Conversely, a QB who is merely 110 across the board consistently would be a near elite QB.

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I hope this is troll post because this is one of the most amazingly backwards posts on statistics I've ever seen on here. 

It's not about one stat being slightly below average or slightly above average, it's about MOST of Blake's stats being well below average. Nobody of a sane mind could look at his stats and try say most of them were of an average level or so close to average it doesn't matter. 

Let's list them out. Overall 41 players threw 100 pass attempts in 2018, here are Blakes rank in each. 

Passer rating : 35/41 
Completion %: 35/41 
TD rate : 35/41 
Interception rate: 27/41 
YPA: 32/41 
AY/A: 33/41
ANY/A : 27/41 

In Blake's very best rate stat he was still below average.
By most statistical measures he was well below average as a QB (that should have been evident just by watching him). Your claim is completely debunked and the method you just tried use to double down on it is woefully inadequate.

Lol, you asked, so don't blame the messenger. The stats are completely accurate and I'll stand by them. If you disagree that being within 90% of average is not close to average then that's your problem. Someone may decide to post a bell curve and determine what the standard deviation is for some of those stats but honestly, at this point you've gone completely off the farm/topic and it's not worth it.

I was expecting a strawman reply and you delivered with aplomb. You tried prove Bortles played average this year by saying most of his stats were average or close enough to it not to matter, the problem with your assertion is that ALL of his stats were below average meaning he was not in fact close to an average QB. 

Blake being 7% worse than league average in completion % is a massive gap..you know...as evidenced by him being 35th out of 41 QBs , but you already know all of this of course. 

I can't wait to use your method of defining QB stats throughout the season lol

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