I live between 4 windmills. It was nice knowing everyone 

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He'd agree with Trump, no matter what. Trump could say, "Oxygen causes genital warts" and I bet half this political board would believe he was right. At this point, there's nothing to do, but laugh.

Without oxygen everyone would die, and there would be no genital warts.

On a more serious note, windmill noise does disturb peoples mental health and sleep. Whether or not that makes a person more likely to develop cancer I have no idea, but it's far from impossible. Windmill noise is an environmental problem even if it doesn't cause cancer.

This is typical Trump, greatly exaggerating the truth to argue his side of a "deal." It's what salesmen do, and Trump is nothing if not a salesman. It's no worse than 90% of the claims about the horrors of global warming, and those are from scientists who should be accurately telling the truth.

You can just call it lying you know. He lied.

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There was a debunked study decades ago about the effects of infrasonic sounds causing health problems. And besides, there are tons of infrasounds that humans are exposed to every single day including things like fans, waves and even humans own internal body.  

So no his comment does not hold water. Also it's hilarious that he loves coal which has been proven time and time again to have adverse health effects but thinks a windmill is cause for concern....

For every one debunk there are numerous that show otherwise. The Army says hello to your debunk “report”. FYI, while humans are exposed to noise everyday, it is the particular frequency, distance and exposure that matters.

No I mean his infamous study was quite literally debunked. 

If you have some studies available that prove the link between cancer and windmills I'd be happy to take a look

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Without oxygen everyone would die, and there would be no genital warts.

On a more serious note, windmill noise does disturb peoples mental health and sleep. Whether or not that makes a person more likely to develop cancer I have no idea, but it's far from impossible. Windmill noise is an environmental problem even if it doesn't cause cancer.

This is typical Trump, greatly exaggerating the truth to argue his side of a "deal." It's what salesmen do, and Trump is nothing if not a salesman. It's no worse than 90% of the claims about the horrors of global warming, and those are from scientists who should be accurately telling the truth.

You can just call it lying you know. He lied.

Everybody lies (quoted from House M.D.) Exaggeration is a form of lying. 

I was explaining the reasoning behind it in Trump's case. Salesmen are expected to lie. Scientists are expected to tell the truth. Would you care to explain the reasoning behind the exaggeration (lies) in the case of climate scientists?

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

You can just call it lying you know. He lied.

Everybody lies (quoted from House M.D.) Exaggeration is a form of lying. 

I was explaining the reasoning behind it in Trump's case. Salesmen are expected to lie. Scientists are expected to tell the truth. Would you care to explain the reasoning behind the exaggeration (lies) in the case of climate scientists?

Citations for said climate change exaggerations?

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Everybody lies (quoted from House M.D.) Exaggeration is a form of lying. 

I was explaining the reasoning behind it in Trump's case. Salesmen are expected to lie. Scientists are expected to tell the truth. Would you care to explain the reasoning behind the exaggeration (lies) in the case of climate scientists?

Citations for said climate change exaggerations?

Well theres this
https://www.politico.eu/article/is-un-gu...te-change/

some good info in here too
http://static.berkeleyearth.org/pdf/skep...change.pdf

I suppose I should look harder for specific people saying specific things...

but I don't wanna. The exaggerations and fear mongering over climate change and global warming is there.
And while science indeed says it is real, our effect on it, positive or negative, is minimal or at least not proven to be as dire as some would want us all to believe.

Climate change is real.
Driving Prius' and getting rid of cows will not stop it.
And the caps aren't melting and drowning us all anytime soon...... unfortunately lol

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Nothing. They should just ignore it like the Republicans did when Trump was talking to Billy Bush about grabbing women by the ***** and when he talked about how he'd be dating his daughter, if they weren't related or how he ordered his lawyer to pay off porn stars he slept with. If the Republicans can ignore "creepy" behavior by their candidate, why shouldn't the Democrats?

Here are a few thoughts.

1. Biden is currently polling the highest to be the candidate.
2. Biden is the "best" chance the democrats have to beat Trump
3. Democratic voters will stay home if their party uses slime-ball tactics to oust the guy who is polling the highest and has best chance to beat Trump.
4. Biden is the most centrist candidate the democrats have. A socialist agenda will get absolutely obliterated in the general, and the few smart people remaining in the DNC know this.
5. The Obamas may not campaign for the candidate if they continue to use these tactics to get Uncle Joe not to run.

Going back in time a bit because point four in particular caught my attention (and point two as well, but one thing at a time). Biden is closer to the center, yes, but he's not the closest to the center. That would be Tulsi Gabbard. She's already having to apologize for being a centrist...dammit. She's toast already, isn't she?

As far as point two, I don't think so. I don't think Warren has a chance if she somehow makes it to the general election. She scares rational people on both sides of the aisle. She's what happens when you take all of Bernie Sanders' bad ideas, wrap them up in a tight little ball, then wrap them in even more bad ideas and make it a platform. If you consider her history before she became a Hillary-in-training, Gillibrand was pretty moderate. She's also highly popular with the younger demographic, and could get millennials out to vote in a way that Hillary never could. Beto would draw large numbers, but I'm sure Trump would be quick to claim that of the 100 million people that voted for Beto, only 12 were here legally. And don't discount Bernie Sanders himself. There's a very good chance that had the DNC not been in bed with Hillary (ewwwwww), Sanders would have beaten Trump in the general election. Taking the White House isn't a gimme, because Trump is the master of getting his people out to vote. Like, the Obamas could learn a thing or two from him. It's also not out of the realm of possibility, and you guys who watched Hillary fall should know that all it takes is the right person at the right time for a huge upset to happen.

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Everybody lies (quoted from House M.D.) Exaggeration is a form of lying. 

I was explaining the reasoning behind it in Trump's case. Salesmen are expected to lie. Scientists are expected to tell the truth. Would you care to explain the reasoning behind the exaggeration (lies) in the case of climate scientists?

Citations for said climate change exaggerations?

Compare:

Alarm


Vs. Key West which has a long history, (or pick another from NOAA ). They all show a constant rate:

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

You can just call it lying you know. He lied.

Everybody lies (quoted from House M.D.) Exaggeration is a form of lying. 

I was explaining the reasoning behind it in Trump's case. Salesmen are expected to lie. Scientists are expected to tell the truth. Would you care to explain the reasoning behind the exaggeration (lies) in the case of climate scientists?

You guys try to make it sound like Trump is a genius for being a bare faced lier. It's fairly weird to observe.

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Watched Fox News town hall with Howard Schultz. While I don't agree with his policies, he is well spoken and not an extremist like the rest of the candidates. He could cause some serious issues for the party if he decides to run.

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Watched Fox News town hall with Howard Schultz. While I don't agree with his policies, he is well spoken and not an extremist like the rest of the candidates. He could cause some serious issues for the party if he decides to run.

His sympathy for billionaires brand isn't getting anywhere

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Everybody lies (quoted from House M.D.) Exaggeration is a form of lying. 

I was explaining the reasoning behind it in Trump's case. Salesmen are expected to lie. Scientists are expected to tell the truth. Would you care to explain the reasoning behind the exaggeration (lies) in the case of climate scientists?

You guys try to make it sound like Trump is a genius for being a bare faced lier. It's fairly weird to observe.

Is it lying if you believe what you are saying?

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Original Season Ticket Holder - Retired  1995 - 2020


At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

You guys try to make it sound like Trump is a genius for being a bare faced lier. It's fairly weird to observe.

Is it lying if you believe what you are saying?

It's called Narcissistic Personality Disorder and Trump is the poster boy for the ailment. 

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Watched Fox News town hall with Howard Schultz. While I don't agree with his policies, he is well spoken and not an extremist like the rest of the candidates. He could cause some serious issues for the party if he decides to run.

His sympathy for billionaires brand isn't getting anywhere

Is that truly any worse than a multi-millionaire with 3 houses running on a socialist platform?

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His sympathy for billionaires brand isn't getting anywhere

Is that truly any worse than a multi-millionaire with 3 houses running on a socialist platform?

I assume that even if we implemented all of Bernie Sanders' ideas, politicians would still be able to get quite rich if they manage to be in office for 30 years or more.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

LOL at Joe Biden's public appearance where he demonstrated the ability to be near children without stroking, groping, smelling or whispering.

SEE EVERYBODY, I'M NOT CREEPY!!!!!!

Poor Joe kept his head about 4 feet above theirs as he struggled to reach low enough to shake the kids' hands.

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Is that truly any worse than a multi-millionaire with 3 houses running on a socialist platform?

I assume that even if we implemented all of Bernie Sanders' ideas, politicians would still be able to get quite rich if they manage to be in office for 30 years or more.

Yet we are all obsessed with obtaining Trumps Tax returns, and not politicians worth 10+ million dollars who have earned salaries under 200K their entire lives.

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Is it lying if you believe what you are saying?

It's called Narcissistic Personality Disorder and Trump is the poster boy for the ailment. 

Mr. Font tells me this isn't an original thought.

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It's called Narcissistic Personality Disorder and Trump is the poster boy for the ailment. 

Mr. Font tells me this isn't an original thought.

I was looking up the clinical definition and precise spelling, so I wouldn't get ridiculed.

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I assume that even if we implemented all of Bernie Sanders' ideas, politicians would still be able to get quite rich if they manage to be in office for 30 years or more.

Yet we are all obsessed with obtaining Trumps Tax returns, and not politicians worth 10+ million dollars who have earned salaries under 200K their entire lives.

Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black. For someone who preaches capitalism and the freedom to make as much money as possible, when someone other than a Republican does it, you are the first one to throw stones. You act like you have never heard of investing or playing the stock market. There are many ways that someone who makes $200k per year could be worth $10 million, especially when that guy is 77 years old. Remember a certain redhead who is now a billionaire who claims he made it all thanks to a modest $1 million dollar loan from his father? You believe he could do that, yet Sanders couldn't turn $200K a year into $10 million? Unbelievable!

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Yet we are all obsessed with obtaining Trumps Tax returns, and not politicians worth 10+ million dollars who have earned salaries under 200K their entire lives.

Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black. For someone who preaches capitalism and the freedom to make as much money as possible, when someone other than a Republican does it, you are the first one to throw stones. You act like you have never heard of investing or playing the stock market. There are many ways that someone who makes $200k per year could be worth $10 million, especially when that guy is 77 years old. Remember a certain redhead who is now a billionaire who claims he made it all thanks to a modest $1 million dollar loan from his father? You believe he could do that, yet Sanders couldn't turn $200K a year into $10 million? Unbelievable!

One spent his life in Real Estate, the other in politics. One preaches the evils of Capitalism while the other works to empower it. One is under constant scrutiny to release his Returns while the one criticizing him gets a free pass.  Both have atrocious hair, so I guess you were kind of right about something in all that wrong.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato