You still need to be able to tackle and make your run fits at will, he did neither today. He's making very basic technique errors consistently. 

The biggest difference would be less intense coverage responsibility but A) He's by far the best coverage Lb on the roster and B) He's actually been good in coverage the last two years, just not this season.

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It would also mean admitting them paying him to be Bobby Wagner would be a mistake. 

I don't really care where he plays, just needs to improve massively in every aspect

 
Yep.

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Then why spend a 3rd rounder on a LB? Wouldn't make sense at all. You can find depth for LB in UDFA, when you draft a LB in the 3rd round you are expecting an immediate impact starter. 

Question isn't directed at you, just a general outloud question as to if they do start Ryan and move Jack.

Are you serious??  

Telvin walked away and Ryan had the setback. 

They didn't have a choice!  They needed a starter very badly and felt this kid could pull it off. They also signed 4 street free agents to add insurance. They were scrambling to fix it the best they could once they realized Telvin had lost his marbles. A third for a starting will isn't a bad deal.

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Yep.

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Then why spend a 3rd rounder on a LB? Wouldn't make sense at all. You can find depth for LB in UDFA, when you draft a LB in the 3rd round you are expecting an immediate impact starter. 

Question isn't directed at you, just a general outloud question as to if they do start Ryan and move Jack.

Are you serious??  

Telvin walked away and Ryan had the setback. 

They didn't have a choice!  They needed a starter very badly and felt this kid could pull it off. They also signed 4 street free agents to add insurance. They were scrambling to fix it the best they could once they realized Telvin had lost his marbles. A third for a starting will isn't a bad deal.

I understand that. I am not really disputing that. What this suggests is that the idea is to move Jack to OLB. If that was the case then you draft a MLB as your "insurance". Not an OLB.

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Are you serious??  

Telvin walked away and Ryan had the setback. 

They didn't have a choice!  They needed a starter very badly and felt this kid could pull it off. They also signed 4 street free agents to add insurance. They were scrambling to fix it the best they could once they realized Telvin had lost his marbles. A third for a starting will isn't a bad deal.

I understand that. I am not really disputing that. What this suggests is that the idea is to move Jack to OLB. If that was the case then you draft a MLB as your "insurance". Not an OLB.

They had JUST SIGNED A MLB in Ryan. Why draft another MLB at that point. It's much easier  (and cheaper capital-wise) to draft a will than a mike and they knew (thought) Jack could pull off playing mike until Ryan was ready. 

I hope Ryan gets healthy and gets a shot in the middle.  Prematurely paying Jack is beginning to look like a major mistake.

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I understand that. I am not really disputing that. What this suggests is that the idea is to move Jack to OLB. If that was the case then you draft a MLB as your "insurance". Not an OLB.

They had JUST SIGNED A MLB in Ryan. Why draft another MLB at that point. It's much easier  (and cheaper capital-wise) to draft a will than a mike and they knew (thought) Jack could pull off playing mike until Ryan was ready. 

I hope Ryan gets healthy and gets a shot in the middle.  Prematurely paying Jack is beginning to look like a major mistake.

I agree wholeheartedly with the very last statement. Hindsight is 20/20 but the FO might have dropped the ball with how they handled the contract situations between Yan, Jack, and Ramsey.

Honestly though, Yan doesn't look like a $19 million dollar/yr player right now and Jack certainly hasn't played up to his contract.

The one that kills me is Ramsey. He CLEARLY outplayed his contract and is an UNDENIABLE all-pro cornerback. Sucks how it has turned out with Ramsey and I think both sides are to be blamed with how they have handled the situation thus far.

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They had JUST SIGNED A MLB in Ryan. Why draft another MLB at that point. It's much easier  (and cheaper capital-wise) to draft a will than a mike and they knew (thought) Jack could pull off playing mike until Ryan was ready. 

I hope Ryan gets healthy and gets a shot in the middle.  Prematurely paying Jack is beginning to look like a major mistake.

I agree wholeheartedly with the very last statement. Hindsight is 20/20 but the FO might have dropped the ball with how they handled the contract situations between Yan, Jack, and Ramsey.

Honestly though, Yan doesn't look like a $19 million dollar/yr player right now and Jack certainly hasn't played up to his contract.

The one that kills me is Ramsey. He CLEARLY outplayed his contract and is an UNDENIABLE all-pro cornerback. Sucks how it has turned out with Ramsey and I think both sides are to be blamed with how they have handled the situation thus far.

I agree.  Though Yannick played pretty well today for a guy reportedly playing through a bad hammy strain.  If he gets healthy there's time for him to turn his season around.   I don't have the same confidence in Jack fixing his issues. 

Ramsey I was certain they'd pay prior to 2020, but now he's got one foot out the door.  Not sure I blame the Jags for that one. 

Choosing to pay Jack before either of those guys was a mistake. I was just hoping they were justified in their confidence in Jack when they did that. Like maybe they saw something I didn't. Now I feel they were overly confident in him taking the next step.

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I agree.  Though Yannick played pretty well today for a guy reportedly playing through a bad hammy strain.  If he gets healthy there's time for him to turn his season around.   I don't have the same confidence in Jack fixing his issues. 

Ramsey I was certain they'd pay prior to 2020, but now he's got one foot out the door.  Not sure I blame the Jags for that one. 

Choosing to pay Jack before either of those guys was a mistake. I was just hoping they were justified in their confidence in Jack when they did that. Like maybe they saw something I didn't. Now I feel they were overly confident in him taking the next step.

I'm thinking that the FO, probably under Coughlin's suggestion, decided to prematurely reward Jack as a "role model" type player who kept his comments to himself and just showed up to work/minicamp/etc - and twist the proverbial knife at Ramsey's colorful offseason.

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I understand that. I am not really disputing that. What this suggests is that the idea is to move Jack to OLB. If that was the case then you draft a MLB as your "insurance". Not an OLB.

They had JUST SIGNED A MLB in Ryan. Why draft another MLB at that point. It's much easier  (and cheaper capital-wise) to draft a will than a mike and they knew (thought) Jack could pull off playing mike until Ryan was ready. 

I hope Ryan gets healthy and gets a shot in the middle.  Prematurely paying Jack is beginning to look like a major mistake.

Because he just missed an entire season? Because he wasn't expected back until some point in the middle of the season? 

IF the plan was to move Jack (which I 100% doubt because of the contract), but for the sake of the fun debate... Then here were the FO's choices:

Choice A: Move Jack  during offseason and allow him to learn the position with the appropriate time and practice and draft a MLB in 3rd round... allow them time to gel and get comfortable with each other... and move forward with those 2 as the starters and have Ryan as the back up when/and if healthy. 

Choice B: Draft a OLB in the 3rd (Quincy), move Jack mid season without any practice there (Telvin has played weakside OLB since Jack has been here) and start Ryan, and have your 3rd round OLB (who should without a question be in there starting and productive) on the bench. 

To me it's pretty clear A is the better choice IF and the whole plan was to move Jack and start Ryan and MLB. 

Agree though on the Jack contract. It just looks dumber as each game passes.

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They had JUST SIGNED A MLB in Ryan. Why draft another MLB at that point. It's much easier  (and cheaper capital-wise) to draft a will than a mike and they knew (thought) Jack could pull off playing mike until Ryan was ready. 

I hope Ryan gets healthy and gets a shot in the middle.  Prematurely paying Jack is beginning to look like a major mistake.

Because he just missed an entire season? Because he wasn't expected back until some point in the middle of the season? 

IF the plan was to move Jack (which I 100% doubt because of the contract), but for the sake of the fun debate... Then here were the FO's choices:

Choice A: Move Jack  during offseason and allow him to learn the position with the appropriate time and practice and draft a MLB in 3rd round... allow them time to gel and get comfortable with each other... and move forward with those 2 as the starters and have Ryan as the back up when/and if healthy. 

Choice B: Draft a OLB in the 3rd (Quincy), move Jack mid season without any practice there (Telvin has played weakside OLB since Jack has been here) and start Ryan, and have your 3rd round OLB (who should without a question be in there starting and productive) on the bench. 

To me it's pretty clear A is the better choice IF and the whole plan was to move Jack and start Ryan and MLB. 

Agree though on the Jack contract. It just looks dumber as each game passes.

What MLB are you getting in the third round that's an upgrade to Jack? That and Ryan's health made your option A not an option at all.

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I wouldn’t call any of his other games bad

Did you watch the first game of this season?

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Because he just missed an entire season? Because he wasn't expected back until some point in the middle of the season? 

IF the plan was to move Jack (which I 100% doubt because of the contract), but for the sake of the fun debate... Then here were the FO's choices:

Choice A: Move Jack  during offseason and allow him to learn the position with the appropriate time and practice and draft a MLB in 3rd round... allow them time to gel and get comfortable with each other... and move forward with those 2 as the starters and have Ryan as the back up when/and if healthy. 

Choice B: Draft a OLB in the 3rd (Quincy), move Jack mid season without any practice there (Telvin has played weakside OLB since Jack has been here) and start Ryan, and have your 3rd round OLB (who should without a question be in there starting and productive) on the bench. 

To me it's pretty clear A is the better choice IF and the whole plan was to move Jack and start Ryan and MLB. 

Agree though on the Jack contract. It just looks dumber as each game passes.

What MLB are you getting in the third round that's an upgrade to Jack? That and Ryan's health made your option A not an option at all.

Pretty much take your pick. The only two MLB's drafted early were White and Bush. There were plenty of options.

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FWIW Ryan was expected back in training camp and then had a setback.

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What MLB are you getting in the third round that's an upgrade to Jack? That and Ryan's health made your option A not an option at all.

Pretty much take your pick. The only two MLB's drafted early were White and Bush. There were plenty of options.

I'll wait on your actual answer. 

Which middle linebacker from the 2019 draft selected after 98 overall would have been an upgrade to Jack? 

Drue Tranquill?
Ben Burr Kirven? 
Ryan Connely? 

The fact of the matter is that you can find value in the third for a weakside backer. Finding value there for a MLB is much more difficult.

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Pretty much take your pick. The only two MLB's drafted early were White and Bush. There were plenty of options.

I'll wait on your actual answer. 

Which middle linebacker from the 2019 draft selected after 98 overall would have been an upgrade to Jack? 

Drue Tranquill?
Ben Burr Kirven? 
Ryan Connely? 

The fact of the matter is that you can find value in the third for a weakside backer. Finding value there for a MLB is much more difficult.

I'm not going to name a single guy lol. There were PLENTY of options, again only two MLB's were drafted high (White and Bush). Next highest graded on NFL.com was Mack Wilson who went in the 5th round. Scouts have jobs to do, they can do some research... hell they found Quincy out of no where. Pretty sure they could of found a guy if they really wanted too.

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I'll wait on your actual answer. 

Which middle linebacker from the 2019 draft selected after 98 overall would have been an upgrade to Jack? 

Drue Tranquill?
Ben Burr Kirven? 
Ryan Connely? 

The fact of the matter is that you can find value in the third for a weakside backer. Finding value there for a MLB is much more difficult.

I'm not going to name a single guy lol. There were PLENTY of options, again only two MLB's were drafted high (White and Bush). Next highest graded on NFL.com was Mack Wilson who went in the 5th round. Scouts have jobs to do, they can do some research... hell they found Quincy out of no where. Pretty sure they could of found a guy if they really wanted too.

That's quite an assumption you are making.

Could have just said "I don't know."

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What MLB are you getting in the third round that's an upgrade to Jack? That and Ryan's health made your option A not an option at all.

Until the injury, this guy:

Linebacker
Ryan Connelly, New York Giants (5th round, No. 143 overall)

Through four games, Connelly might have been the frontrunner for defensive rookie of the year honors. He is one of five rookies with 20-plus tackles on the young season and recorded an interception in each of the last two games — the only rookie with multiple interceptions thus far.

A fifth-round steal, Connelly morphed from walk-on quarterback to Big Ten linebacker at Wisconsin, out-working higher recruited players. And now at the NFL level, he continues to surpass expectations.

Unfortunately for Connelly, he will not win defensive rookie of the year because his rookie year is over after only four games. He suffered a torn ACL on Sunday and was placed on injured reserve this week.

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What MLB are you getting in the third round that's an upgrade to Jack? That and Ryan's health made your option A not an option at all.

Until the injury, this guy:

Linebacker
Ryan Connelly, New York Giants (5th round, No. 143 overall)

Through four games, Connelly might have been the frontrunner for defensive rookie of the year honors. He is one of five rookies with 20-plus tackles on the young season and recorded an interception in each of the last two games — the only rookie with multiple interceptions thus far.

A fifth-round steal, Connelly morphed from walk-on quarterback to Big Ten linebacker at Wisconsin, out-working higher recruited players. And now at the NFL level, he continues to surpass expectations.

Unfortunately for Connelly, he will not win defensive rookie of the year because his rookie year is over after only four games. He suffered a torn ACL on Sunday and was placed on injured reserve this week.

Yeah, I listed him as an option.  He DEFINITELY does not have the speed to do what they ask of Myles Jack in coverage in this scheme.  He'd probably play the run better though.

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This is like Bortles extension all over again, the only difference is Jack has potential but he has never been close to being great, he's had good seasons, but just good, and we paid him like he is top 5.

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Missed a tackle badly there.

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Missed a tackle badly there.

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That's what he does, makes bank and misses tackles.

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