Darnold looks rattled tonight. Wash needs to blitz the [BLEEP] out of this kid.

Offensively they just need to run it. Keep the passes quick and short. I think they'll win at home by at least 6.

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Their oline is bad. All of our next games coming up our dline should dominate.

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Darnold has played like straight [BLEEP] tonight. They have to blitz this kid. They have to.

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Darnold has played like straight [BLEEP] tonight. They have to blitz this kid. They have to.

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The Jets rush looks pretty strong, our line is in for a test.

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Darnold has played like straight [BLEEP] tonight. They have to blitz this kid. They have to.

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The Jets rush looks pretty strong, our line is in for a test.

Leonard Williams has been a handful tonight. Going to be fun when Fournette stones him on a 3rd and long.

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Jets gave up a 16 play drive. Looked horrible on 3rd downs. It's New England though. Lots of quick plays all over the place.

Some potential opportunities with Fournette in the receiving game this Sunday.

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And Darnold with a pick.

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If this team loses to the Jets next weekend... LOL

They are god awful

If football made me this miserable I would take up a different hobby like watching paint dry or folding laundry.

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You can rarely ever tell how good a QB is going to be from a rookies first 6 starts. 

That's exactly why I said give him the rest of the season. With the number of picks we have the priority #1 for the next two seasons is to come away with a bona fide franchise QB. Not a decent QB that we can win with if we have an all star cast surrounding him. We're seeing now just how fleeting all star casts can be. We need a guy that can carry us through the doldrums, not just ride the crest. We need to be honest and realize that this season is over. We are a bad team, flat out. We do not need to get lulled into a false sense of competition because of a patty cake schedule and think Foles can take over and we're suddenly good. Let Garner play 16 games so we can make the best evaluation for our future.

And no it's not crazy to think a guy with as much college playing experience as Minshew would be better than Haskins right away considering Haskins main worry was his lack of experience. It was a dereliction of duty that the Redskins threw him into the fire they did. And it cost the coach his job, deservedly so.

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Darnold has played like straight [BLEEP] tonight. They have to blitz this kid. They have to.

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I watched all of 10 minutes and they sent the house over and over again and he didn't beat the blitz at all.

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You can rarely ever tell how good a QB is going to be from a rookies first 6 starts. 

That's exactly why I said give him the rest of the season. With the number of picks we have the priority #1 for the next two seasons is to come away with a bona fide franchise QB. Not a decent QB that we can win with if we have an all star cast surrounding him. We're seeing now just how fleeting all star casts can be. We need a guy that can carry us through the doldrums, not just ride the crest. We need to be honest and realize that this season is over. We are a bad team, flat out. We do not need to get lulled into a false sense of competition because of a patty cake schedule and think Foles can take over and we're suddenly good. Let Garner play 16 games so we can make the best evaluation for our future.

And no it's not crazy to think a guy with as much college playing experience as Minshew would be better than Haskins right away considering Haskins main worry was his lack of experience. It was a dereliction of duty that the Redskins threw him into the fire they did. And it cost the coach his job, deservedly so.

What bonafide QB are you talking about or want from this class? This season is far from over, we have as good a chance as any team in the AFC outside of KC and Houston.  I think we win our division and when you make the playoffs anything can happen.  Win Sunday and we are back at .500.  QB is the last position we need, we ghave 2 good ones and 1 could possibly be great while setting rookie records.  We need to build talent at other positions if this team wants to succeed in the future

So you are saying Haskins should sit for a year then he will be good?  Why cant Minshew sit behind Foles for a year and get even better like you think Haskins should sit, Minshew already has records and he hasnt had the luxury to learn behind a vet and it's not like he has an All Pro cast surrounding him.  Gruden was fired because he dont have a QB and he didnt want Haskins, so he put him in there to show why he didnt want him and Haskins did just that

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That's exactly why I said give him the rest of the season. With the number of picks we have the priority #1 for the next two seasons is to come away with a bona fide franchise QB. Not a decent QB that we can win with if we have an all star cast surrounding him. We're seeing now just how fleeting all star casts can be. We need a guy that can carry us through the doldrums, not just ride the crest. We need to be honest and realize that this season is over. We are a bad team, flat out. We do not need to get lulled into a false sense of competition because of a patty cake schedule and think Foles can take over and we're suddenly good. Let Garner play 16 games so we can make the best evaluation for our future.

And no it's not crazy to think a guy with as much college playing experience as Minshew would be better than Haskins right away considering Haskins main worry was his lack of experience. It was a dereliction of duty that the Redskins threw him into the fire they did. And it cost the coach his job, deservedly so.

What bonafide QB are you talking about or want from this class? This season is far from over, we have as good a chance as any team in the AFC outside of KC and Houston.  I think we win our division and when you make the playoffs anything can happen.  Win Sunday and we are back at .500.  QB is the last position we need, we ghave 2 good ones and 1 could possibly be great while setting rookie records.  We need to build talent at other positions if this team wants to succeed in the future

So you are saying Haskins should sit for a year then he will be good?  Why cant Minshew sit behind Foles for a year and get even better like you think Haskins should sit, Minshew already has records and he hasnt had the luxury to learn behind a vet and it's not like he has an All Pro cast surrounding him.  Gruden was fired because he dont have a QB and he didnt want Haskins, so he put him in there to show why he didnt want him and Haskins did just that

I agree, QB is the last think we should be wasting resources on right now.  We already have 2 good ones.

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That's exactly why I said give him the rest of the season. With the number of picks we have the priority #1 for the next two seasons is to come away with a bona fide franchise QB. Not a decent QB that we can win with if we have an all star cast surrounding him. We're seeing now just how fleeting all star casts can be. We need a guy that can carry us through the doldrums, not just ride the crest. We need to be honest and realize that this season is over. We are a bad team, flat out. We do not need to get lulled into a false sense of competition because of a patty cake schedule and think Foles can take over and we're suddenly good. Let Garner play 16 games so we can make the best evaluation for our future.

And no it's not crazy to think a guy with as much college playing experience as Minshew would be better than Haskins right away considering Haskins main worry was his lack of experience. It was a dereliction of duty that the Redskins threw him into the fire they did. And it cost the coach his job, deservedly so.

What bonafide QB are you talking about or want from this class? This season is far from over, we have as good a chance as any team in the AFC outside of KC and Houston.  I think we win our division and when you make the playoffs anything can happen.  Win Sunday and we are back at .500.  QB is the last position we need, we ghave 2 good ones and 1 could possibly be great while setting rookie records.  We need to build talent at other positions if this team wants to succeed in the future

So you are saying Haskins should sit for a year then he will be good?  Why cant Minshew sit behind Foles for a year and get even better like you think Haskins should sit, Minshew already has records and he hasnt had the luxury to learn behind a vet and it's not like he has an All Pro cast surrounding him.  Gruden was fired because he dont have a QB and he didnt want Haskins, so he put him in there to show why he didnt want him and Haskins did just that

The point here is to make sure you are absolutely positive Minshew is the future before passing on other QB prospects. There isn't a "bonafide" QB coming out (because no one is a sure thing) but there are some really good ones that have the potential (just like Minshew has potential) to be really great.

It's ok to love what Minshew is doing and at the same time, make sure you do your homework to ensure that you're not making a mistake by passing on other QB prospects. The Cardinals did just that last year and they ended up with Murray. If you have the chance to upgrade, you take it.

Also, when you think you are set at a position, that's how you end up with Bortles and Cody Kessler.

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What bonafide QB are you talking about or want from this class? This season is far from over, we have as good a chance as any team in the AFC outside of KC and Houston.  I think we win our division and when you make the playoffs anything can happen.  Win Sunday and we are back at .500.  QB is the last position we need, we ghave 2 good ones and 1 could possibly be great while setting rookie records.  We need to build talent at other positions if this team wants to succeed in the future

So you are saying Haskins should sit for a year then he will be good?  Why cant Minshew sit behind Foles for a year and get even better like you think Haskins should sit, Minshew already has records and he hasnt had the luxury to learn behind a vet and it's not like he has an All Pro cast surrounding him.  Gruden was fired because he dont have a QB and he didnt want Haskins, so he put him in there to show why he didnt want him and Haskins did just that

The point here is to make sure you are absolutely positive Minshew is the future before passing on other QB prospects. There isn't a "bonafide" QB coming out (because no one is a sure thing) but there are some really good ones that have the potential (just like Minshew has potential) to be really great.

It's ok to love what Minshew is doing and at the same time, make sure you do your homework to ensure that you're not making a mistake by passing on other QB prospects. The Cardinals did just that last year and they ended up with Murray. If you have the chance to upgrade, you take it.

Also, when you think you are set at a position, that's how you end up with Bortles and Cody Kessler.

Everyone keeps saying this, but how on earth does anyone know they positively have the Guy?

Even teams that take a QB with a top 10 pick use 2-4 years to figure that out. Often, you don't know until he is in a playoff game and in do-or-die position.

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The point here is to make sure you are absolutely positive Minshew is the future before passing on other QB prospects. There isn't a "bonafide" QB coming out (because no one is a sure thing) but there are some really good ones that have the potential (just like Minshew has potential) to be really great.

It's ok to love what Minshew is doing and at the same time, make sure you do your homework to ensure that you're not making a mistake by passing on other QB prospects. The Cardinals did just that last year and they ended up with Murray. If you have the chance to upgrade, you take it.

Also, when you think you are set at a position, that's how you end up with Bortles and Cody Kessler.

Everyone keeps saying this, but how on earth does anyone know they positively have the Guy?

Even teams that take a QB with a top 10 pick use 2-4 years to figure that out. Often, you don't know until he is in a playoff game and in do-or-die position.

That's the point though. Don't pass on really good QB prospects until you're sure. "Already have Leftwich so we don't need Big Ben." The Cardinals drafted Rosen and then immediately took Murray the next year. Heck, even the Redskins traded up for RG3 then drafted Cousins the same year.

QB is the most important position (obviously) so accumulating good QB talent seems pretty logical.

Again, I'm not saying Minshew can't be the real deal (he's only made 6 starts) but I wouldn't bring Foles back because I want to see more of Minshew.

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Everyone keeps saying this, but how on earth does anyone know they positively have the Guy?

Even teams that take a QB with a top 10 pick use 2-4 years to figure that out. Often, you don't know until he is in a playoff game and in do-or-die position.

That's the point though. Don't pass on really good QB prospects until you're sure. "Already have Leftwich so we don't need Big Ben." The Cardinals drafted Rosen and then immediately took Murray the next year. Heck, even the Redskins traded up for RG3 then drafted Cousins the same year.

QB is the most important position (obviously) so accumulating good QB talent seems pretty logical.

Again, I'm not saying Minshew can't be the real deal (he's only made 6 starts) but I wouldn't bring Foles back because I want to see more of Minshew.

Oh okay, so mean stockpile QB's until you know you have one. I think that makes some sense. It's just that in both of those situations, each of those QB's had full seasons or so to prove they were the guy. They got to go through preseason, get 1st team snaps, etc.

I'm just not sure how that would play out with the Jags, because they would likely have to move on from Minshew to get a second guy or try to have both split reps/game time. Both scenarios could blow up in their face.

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That's the point though. Don't pass on really good QB prospects until you're sure. "Already have Leftwich so we don't need Big Ben." The Cardinals drafted Rosen and then immediately took Murray the next year. Heck, even the Redskins traded up for RG3 then drafted Cousins the same year.

QB is the most important position (obviously) so accumulating good QB talent seems pretty logical.

Again, I'm not saying Minshew can't be the real deal (he's only made 6 starts) but I wouldn't bring Foles back because I want to see more of Minshew.

Oh okay, so mean stockpile QB's until you know you have one. I think that makes some sense. It's just that in both of those situations, each of those QB's had full seasons or so to prove they were the guy. They got to go through preseason, get 1st team snaps, etc.

I'm just not sure how that would play out with the Jags, because they would likely have to move on from Minshew to get a second guy or try to have both split reps/game time. Both scenarios could blow up in their face.

If the season doesn't end well and the Jags end up going 5-11 or 6-10, I would like them make a move for Herbert/Tua/Burrow and try to trade Foles. Then let Minshew and the rookie battle it out in training camp.

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Were not gonna draft a QB with Foles and Minshew.

Use those picks on LT and Safety/CB

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Oh okay, so mean stockpile QB's until you know you have one. I think that makes some sense. It's just that in both of those situations, each of those QB's had full seasons or so to prove they were the guy. They got to go through preseason, get 1st team snaps, etc.

I'm just not sure how that would play out with the Jags, because they would likely have to move on from Minshew to get a second guy or try to have both split reps/game time. Both scenarios could blow up in their face.

If the season doesn't end well and the Jags end up going 5-11 or 6-10, I would like them make a move for Herbert/Tua/Burrow and try to trade Foles. Then let Minshew and the rookie battle it out in training camp.

Good chance they won't have to make any moves to land one of those three QB's next year. Especially if they fall steeply down to a 5 - 11 / 6 - 10 record. Should see at least one of those players fall to them. 

I honestly don't like Herbert. I don't trust Tagovailoa at this level neither. Too many injury concerns already with him. I really like Burrow at the moment. But the next two weeks for him will be huge for scouts because he's got #9 Auburn & #1 Alabama coming up two weeks in a row. 

If he can win those games and showcase the ability to step up in big moments he'll probably make a strong case as being the No. 1 QB going into the draft next year. Especially if they end up in the main Championship game against OSU or Clemson (assuming Alabama takes a massive [BLEEP] in the rankings if they lose to LSU two weeks from now).

But just not a fan of Herbert and Tagovailoa. Would rather see them take a chance on Fromm, Eason or Hurts on the 2nd day early in RD2 over those guys.

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This season is far from over, we have as good a chance as any team in the AFC outside of KC and Houston. 

Dude, we are bad. We were losing to the friggin Bengals in the 4th quarter. I live in the Cincy area so my MNF bar crew finally go to watch the Jags on local TV, and the second I sat down last night literally the first thing they all said is they had no clue the Jags were that bad. The entire rest of the season needs to be spent figuring out exactly what we have in Minshew. That's really it.

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I’m a big fan of Minshew, and I think the Jags are in a tough place honestly. A good kind of tough place, but tough nonetheless. I agree identifying how we feel about Minshew and the young QBs coming out in the next two years is priority number 1.
(Priority 2 being, for the love of all things holy, Oline)

The problem with stockpiling QBs is there are only so many reps to go around to really prepare a young guy...then there are only so many pre-season games to evaluate against other schemes...and then you can’t fully evaluate a QB until he’s in game-day situations against opposing starters when it matters. If Foles doesn’t go down week 1 many here (and even some in the Jags building probably) would still see Minshew as questionable depth as opposed to questionable starter/franchise.

Unfortunately a lot of it comes down to luck/opportunity, even if you scout appropriately, distribution of preparation/opportunity is very difficult to balance. Hopefully Minshew just slaughters it, stays healthy for a decade, and makes the decisions easy.

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If the season doesn't end well and the Jags end up going 5-11 or 6-10, I would like them make a move for Herbert/Tua/Burrow and try to trade Foles. Then let Minshew and the rookie battle it out in training camp.

Good chance they won't have to make any moves to land one of those three QB's next year. Especially if they fall steeply down to a 5 - 11 / 6 - 10 record. Should see at least one of those players fall to them. 

I honestly don't like Herbert. I don't trust Tagovailoa at this level neither. Too many injury concerns already with him. I really like Burrow at the moment. But the next two weeks for him will be huge for scouts because he's got #9 Auburn & #1 Alabama coming up two weeks in a row. 

If he can win those games and showcase the ability to step up in big moments he'll probably make a strong case as being the No. 1 QB going into the draft next year. Especially if they end up in the main Championship game against OSU or Clemson (assuming Alabama takes a massive [BLEEP] in the rankings if they lose to LSU two weeks from now).

But just not a fan of Herbert and Tagovailoa. Would rather see them take a chance on Fromm, Eason or Hurts on the 2nd day early in RD2 over those guys.

Hard pass on Hurts but Eason and Fromm are intriguing. 

I think I'm just over the mediocrity of the QB position in Jacksonville. Foles isn't anything special and while I love Minshew, he does have his limitations. Of course Minshew could continue to develop into a nice starter but I'm looking for that homerun/franchise altering QB.

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