I just saw on the NFL channel that it appears the Atlanta Falcons will be sellers before the trade deadline and are looking to add draft picks. Austin Hooper ranks just behind Travis Kelce as the top receiving TE in the NFL this year with 526 yards and 4 touchdowns on a very bad team. He is also an UFA at the end of the season. If we could work out a trade with the Falcons and with Hooper's agent on a new deal, what would you give up, in order to get him? Or would you just hope we could salvage the season with what we have and try to draft a TE in 2020, even though this next draft class is way less talented than the 2019 class? 

Given that we're likely gonna spend a high draft pick on a TE in the draft or we may be competing in free agency for Hooper's services anyway, I'd probably offer a 2nd rounder to get him, as long as he agrees to a new contract as part of the deal.

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I just saw on the NFL channel that it appears the Atlanta Falcons will be sellers before the trade deadline and are looking to add draft picks. Austin Hooper ranks just behind Travis Kelce as the top receiving TE in the NFL this year with 526 yards and 4 touchdowns on a very bad team. He is also an UFA at the end of the season. If we could work out a trade with the Falcons and with Hooper's agent on a new deal, what would you give up, in order to get him? Or would you just hope we could salvage the season with what we have and try to draft a TE in 2020, even though this next draft class is way less talented than the 2019 class? 

Given that we're likely gonna spend a high draft pick on a TE in the draft or we may be competing in free agency for Hooper's services anyway, I'd probably offer a 2nd rounder to get him, as long as he agrees to a new contract as part of the deal.

I gave been kicking around the idea of using some of our draft capital on trading for a TE, most notably OJ Howard.

I am not necessarily opposed to acquiring a TE for a pick, however:

1.  A guy like Hooper is exactly the guy a team like Atlanta should want to keep in this rebuild.  I could be wrong, but I don't see the Falcons getting rid of him.

2.  I would hasten to remind you that while we have more picks than normal-especially high picks, we aren't exactly flush, either.

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I just saw on the NFL channel that it appears the Atlanta Falcons will be sellers before the trade deadline and are looking to add draft picks. Austin Hooper ranks just behind Travis Kelce as the top receiving TE in the NFL this year with 526 yards and 4 touchdowns on a very bad team. He is also an UFA at the end of the season. If we could work out a trade with the Falcons and with Hooper's agent on a new deal, what would you give up, in order to get him? Or would you just hope we could salvage the season with what we have and try to draft a TE in 2020, even though this next draft class is way less talented than the 2019 class? 

Given that we're likely gonna spend a high draft pick on a TE in the draft or we may be competing in free agency for Hooper's services anyway, I'd probably offer a 2nd rounder to get him, as long as he agrees to a new contract as part of the deal.

I gave been kicking around the idea of using some of our draft capital on trading for a TE, most notably OJ Howard.

I am not necessarily opposed to acquiring a TE for a pick, however:

1.  A guy like Hooper is exactly the guy a team like Atlanta should want to keep in this rebuild.  I could be wrong, but I don't see the Falcons getting rid of him.

2.  I would hasten to remind you that while we have more picks than normal-especially high picks, we aren't exactly flush, either.

Agreed. I just look at the next draft and other than Albert Okwuegbunam of Missouri, there isn't much to pick from in the next draft class. There is a steep drop off after him, unless you wanna spend a 2nd round pick on a guy like Jacob Breeland of Oregon, who has tremendous upside, but just tore his ACL and may be out for much of 2020. As far as free agency, other than Hooper, our best shot might be Chargers TE Hunter Henry. He has loads of talent, but his NFL career has been riddled with injuries.

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I gave been kicking around the idea of using some of our draft capital on trading for a TE, most notably OJ Howard.

I am not necessarily opposed to acquiring a TE for a pick, however:

1.  A guy like Hooper is exactly the guy a team like Atlanta should want to keep in this rebuild.  I could be wrong, but I don't see the Falcons getting rid of him.

2.  I would hasten to remind you that while we have more picks than normal-especially high picks, we aren't exactly flush, either.

Agreed. I just look at the next draft and other than Albert Okwuegbunam of Missouri, there isn't much to pick from in the next draft class. There is a steep drop off after him, unless you wanna spend a 2nd round pick on a guy like Jacob Breeland of Oregon, who has tremendous upside, but just tore his ACL and may be out for much of 2020. As far as free agency, other than Hooper, our best shot might be Chargers TE Hunter Henry. He has loads of talent, but his NFL career has been riddled with injuries.

That is my general impression as well.  That is part of what is driving me to consider making a move at that position.

That said, I'm not sure I would give up more than a 3rd for Hooper.  Henry is good, but you are right about the injuries.  As with Hooper, I'm not too keen on paying a premium for him.

Now if we wound up trading back with our second first round pick and picked up an extra pick or two in the next draft...maybe.

But I think Howard is the one guy I'd make a move for, and at this point, he's the one guy I'd offer more than a 3rd round pick for.

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Agreed. I just look at the next draft and other than Albert Okwuegbunam of Missouri, there isn't much to pick from in the next draft class. There is a steep drop off after him, unless you wanna spend a 2nd round pick on a guy like Jacob Breeland of Oregon, who has tremendous upside, but just tore his ACL and may be out for much of 2020. As far as free agency, other than Hooper, our best shot might be Chargers TE Hunter Henry. He has loads of talent, but his NFL career has been riddled with injuries.

That is my general impression as well.  That is part of what is driving me to consider making a move at that position.

That said, I'm not sure I would give up more than a 3rd for Hooper.  Henry is good, but you are right about the injuries.  As with Hooper, I'm not too keen on paying a premium for him.

Now if we wound up trading back with our second first round pick and picked up an extra pick or two in the next draft...maybe.

But I think Howard is the one guy I'd make a move for, and at this point, he's the one guy I'd offer more than a 3rd round pick for.

Aren’t the Bucs actively trying to trade Howard too?

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That is my general impression as well.  That is part of what is driving me to consider making a move at that position.

That said, I'm not sure I would give up more than a 3rd for Hooper.  Henry is good, but you are right about the injuries.  As with Hooper, I'm not too keen on paying a premium for him.

Now if we wound up trading back with our second first round pick and picked up an extra pick or two in the next draft...maybe.

But I think Howard is the one guy I'd make a move for, and at this point, he's the one guy I'd offer more than a 3rd round pick for.

Aren’t the Bucs actively trying to trade Howard too?

That is what I have read, which is what got me thinking about it.

But trades are much easier  on message boards than in real life.

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Agreed. I just look at the next draft and other than Albert Okwuegbunam of Missouri, there isn't much to pick from in the next draft class. There is a steep drop off after him, unless you wanna spend a 2nd round pick on a guy like Jacob Breeland of Oregon, who has tremendous upside, but just tore his ACL and may be out for much of 2020. As far as free agency, other than Hooper, our best shot might be Chargers TE Hunter Henry. He has loads of talent, but his NFL career has been riddled with injuries.

That is my general impression as well.  That is part of what is driving me to consider making a move at that position.

That said, I'm not sure I would give up more than a 3rd for Hooper.  Henry is good, but you are right about the injuries.  As with Hooper, I'm not too keen on paying a premium for him.

Now if we wound up trading back with our second first round pick and picked up an extra pick or two in the next draft...maybe.

But I think Howard is the one guy I'd make a move for, and at this point, he's the one guy I'd offer more than a 3rd round pick for.

Sports Illustrated's Albert Breer is reporting that the Patriots already inquired about Howard and were told by the Bucs that he is not on the trading block.

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I just saw on the NFL channel that it appears the Atlanta Falcons will be sellers before the trade deadline and are looking to add draft picks. Austin Hooper ranks just behind Travis Kelce as the top receiving TE in the NFL this year with 526 yards and 4 touchdowns on a very bad team. He is also an UFA at the end of the season. If we could work out a trade with the Falcons and with Hooper's agent on a new deal, what would you give up, in order to get him? Or would you just hope we could salvage the season with what we have and try to draft a TE in 2020, even though this next draft class is way less talented than the 2019 class? 

Given that we're likely gonna spend a high draft pick on a TE in the draft or we may be competing in free agency for Hooper's services anyway, I'd probably offer a 2nd rounder to get him, as long as he agrees to a new contract as part of the deal.

I think 2nd rounder is too high.  I'd maybe go 3rd rounder, but since he is going to be a free agent, the Falcons may be a little more desperate to move him, so I'd start by offering a 4th rounder.

But as has been said already in this thread, it's hard to see why the Falcons would trade away a 24 year old player who looks like he might make the Pro Bowl this year.

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Falcons are awful this year. How much of his yardage is attributed to garbage time and Julio Jones commanding double coverage?

I don't think they'll address it this year via trade. The deadline is here in less than a week now right? I was all for O.J Howard but if New England was shot down already there's no smoke there anymore.

Hopefully Oliver emerges at some point.

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Would love to acquire Hooper or Howard, the addition of 1 of those could be the difference of missing or making the playoffs

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That is my general impression as well.  That is part of what is driving me to consider making a move at that position.

That said, I'm not sure I would give up more than a 3rd for Hooper.  Henry is good, but you are right about the injuries.  As with Hooper, I'm not too keen on paying a premium for him.

Now if we wound up trading back with our second first round pick and picked up an extra pick or two in the next draft...maybe.

But I think Howard is the one guy I'd make a move for, and at this point, he's the one guy I'd offer more than a 3rd round pick for.

Sports Illustrated's Albert Breer is reporting that the Patriots already inquired about Howard and were told by the Bucs that he is not on the trading block.

No one should ever trade with the Pats, it's always a losing proposition.

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Sports Illustrated's Albert Breer is reporting that the Patriots already inquired about Howard and were told by the Bucs that he is not on the trading block.

No one should ever trade with the Pats, it's always a losing proposition.

This. If Belicheck is giving up on a guy, that guy is almost certainly done.

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I just saw on the NFL channel that it appears the Atlanta Falcons will be sellers before the trade deadline and are looking to add draft picks. Austin Hooper ranks just behind Travis Kelce as the top receiving TE in the NFL this year with 526 yards and 4 touchdowns on a very bad team. He is also an UFA at the end of the season. If we could work out a trade with the Falcons and with Hooper's agent on a new deal, what would you give up, in order to get him? Or would you just hope we could salvage the season with what we have and try to draft a TE in 2020, even though this next draft class is way less talented than the 2019 class? 

Given that we're likely gonna spend a high draft pick on a TE in the draft or we may be competing in free agency for Hooper's services anyway, I'd probably offer a 2nd rounder to get him, as long as he agrees to a new contract as part of the deal.

I think 2nd rounder is too high.  I'd maybe go 3rd rounder, but since he is going to be a free agent, the Falcons may be a little more desperate to move him, so I'd start by offering a 4th rounder.

But as has been said already in this thread, it's hard to see why the Falcons would trade away a 24 year old player who looks like he might make the Pro Bowl this year.

Agree totally with this. First of all, Oliver may turn out to be a good tight end. Secondly, although the draft class doesn't look great at tight end, some guys will emerge as the season goes on. The key, as always, is good scouting. Every draft there are tight ends who don't get drafted until the 3rd round or later who turn out to be very good. They just need to find that guy rather than give up a high draft pick in a trade.

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Whatever the Pats dangle, you have to look at it as the next round due to how low it is (2nd rounder is really a THIRD round due to it being the last pick of the 2nd). Short of cornerstone QBs/LTs/DEs who are under control for reasonable amounts of time....I don't see ANYONE being untouchable.

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But but but, Josh Oliver was suppose to be the next Tony Gonzalez

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But but but, Josh Oliver was suppose to be the next Tony Gonzalez

Did I miss something?

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But but but, Josh Oliver was suppose to be the next Tony Gonzalez

Who told you that?

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But but but, Josh Oliver was suppose to be the next Tony Gonzalez

Many people thought our original draft target (T.J. Hockenson) was a special kind of TE, but when Allen fell to us and we passed on Hockenson, Oliver was kind of an afterthought. We're all just HOPING he can be good.

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But but but, Josh Oliver was suppose to be the next Tony Gonzalez

Link?

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But but but, Josh Oliver was suppose to be the next Tony Gonzalez

At this point I will take a poor man's Vance McDonald performance out of him after he's missed nearly two months worth of regular season football.

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