From weeks 1 through 4, Minshew was incredibly accurate (something he was known for in college) and routinely hit all the throws. It wasn't until his injury in Denver (plus a few late hits) that he started playing poorly. We've all seen Minshew make throws that only the most accurate QBs could make... and he did it often. I'm going to assume that this is the type of QB Minshew will be when he heals completely. I don't think his recent play is indicative of his norm.

Having said that, I'm OK with benching him to let him heal, but I don't want to bench him as long as we're in the hunt for a playoff spot. I think Marrone will use Minshew's injury as an excuse to bench him for Foles so that he'd give both QBs an opportunity to earn the spot. This is a good problem to have. Minshew isn't a weak person, and I don't think benching him will destroy his confidence.

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On the comments pn Foles still has zip on his throws...you all know he didn't break the collarbone on his throwing arm. It was non throwing arm.

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If Foles is put on as short a leash as minshew is by a few round here then minshew likely would get the job back shortly after losing it. Unless he completely implodes from here.

Acting like Foles is Brady or Brees.

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If Maronne sits a healthy Foles, he loses his job, as he should.

If Marrone manages to make the playoffs with a 6th round rookie, he may be in the running for coach of the year, whether you think he's deserving or not.

Maybe then a few of the chicken littles around here will go catatonic and we won't have to endure the negativity being sprayed like a herd of feral cats upon every thread.

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If Foles is put on as short a leash as minshew is by a few round here then minshew likely would get the job back shortly after losing it. Unless he completely implodes from here.

Acting like Foles is Brady or Brees.

It's not about a short leash. It's not about inflating Foles to Brady/Brees status. 

It's about a rookie QB who over the past two weeks has shown a worrisome trend of getting happy feet in the pocket, throwing off balance unnecessarily, and not making his reads with the same patience and poise he did early in the season.  

Giving that young man a chance to refocus and develop into a possible franchise QB  -- as well as getting a chance to see if we got what we paid for when we signed Foles and hired Flip to design an offense for Foles is also an important opportunity. 

If Minshew enters the bye week looking like he did in weeks 3 and 4, then this decision gets tougher. We'll see how that pans out. On the current track , I think getting Foles a chance to show why he got paid is a fine path. 
We have two good quarterbacks, people.  Rejoice and be glad.

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If Minshew was still playing like he did weeks 1-3, I would say keep him going. But he is showing rookie tendencies: happy feet, missing wide open receivers, holding the ball too long, miscommunications. He is not winning us games right now. Not losing them, but not winning them. I would let Foles play when he comes back, and let Minshew sit. If Foles plays poorly for a few games, put Minshew back in.

I still think Minshew can be the franchise QB though, and there should be no problem in letting him sit behind Foles for a few years, especially if Foles plays well.

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If Minshew was still playing like he did weeks 1-3, I would say keep him going. But he is showing rookie tendencies: happy feet, missing wide open receivers, holding the ball too long, miscommunications. He is not winning us games right now. Not losing them, but not winning them. I would let Foles play when he comes back, and let Minshew sit. If Foles plays poorly for a few games, put Minshew back in.

I still think Minshew can be the franchise QB though, and there should be no problem in letting him sit behind Foles for a few years, especially if Foles plays well.

Don't get your hopes up of the team putting Foles in and then pulling him out.
Once Foles goes in, I think they keep him in unless or until he gets hurt or perhaps we are eliminated from playoff contention.

If you ride with the stache' Foles is likely done as a Jaguar I think.

But hey... crazier things have happened.

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If Minshew was still playing like he did weeks 1-3, I would say keep him going. But he is showing rookie tendencies: happy feet, missing wide open receivers, holding the ball too long, miscommunications. He is not winning us games right now. Not losing them, but not winning them. I would let Foles play when he comes back, and let Minshew sit. If Foles plays poorly for a few games, put Minshew back in.

I still think Minshew can be the franchise QB though, and there should be no problem in letting him sit behind Foles for a few years, especially if Foles plays well.

Don't get your hopes up of the team putting Foles in and then pulling him out.
Once Foles goes in, I think they keep him in unless or until he gets hurt or perhaps we are eliminated from playoff contention.

If you ride with the stache' Foles is likely done as a Jaguar I think.

But hey... crazier things have happened.

I think that the Stache can prove himself the future if he plays well the next two games. Another saints game, and foles is almost certainly coming back. Either way, I think Minshew is the future going forward long-term. We have seen what he can do. No rookie QB for the jags has ever had this type of debut. The guy clearly has something special.

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Don't get your hopes up of the team putting Foles in and then pulling him out.
Once Foles goes in, I think they keep him in unless or until he gets hurt or perhaps we are eliminated from playoff contention.

If you ride with the stache' Foles is likely done as a Jaguar I think.

But hey... crazier things have happened.

I think that the Stache can prove himself the future if he plays well the next two games. Another saints game, and foles is almost certainly coming back. Either way, I think Minshew is the future going forward long-term. We have seen what he can do. No rookie QB for the jags has ever had this type of debut. The guy clearly has something special.

This is kinda what I lean toward.
A good game vs the jests and the tinhorns in London and it is his job.

Shaky performances in both and Foles is back.

A split (1-1) causes maybe another try out game vs the clots and a tough decision for Doug and co.

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If Foles is put on as short a leash as minshew is by a few round here then minshew likely would get the job back shortly after losing it. Unless he completely implodes from here.

Acting like Foles is Brady or Brees.

It's not about a short leash. It's not about inflating Foles to Brady/Brees status. 

It's about a rookie QB who over the past two weeks has shown a worrisome trend of getting happy feet in the pocket, throwing off balance unnecessarily, and not making his reads with the same patience and poise he did early in the season.  

Giving that young man a chance to refocus and develop into a possible franchise QB  -- as well as getting a chance to see if we got what we paid for when we signed Foles and hired Flip to design an offense for Foles is also an important opportunity. 

If Minshew enters the bye week looking like he did in weeks 3 and 4, then this decision gets tougher. We'll see how that pans out. On the current track , I think getting Foles a chance to show why he got paid is a fine path. 
We have two good quarterbacks, people.  Rejoice and be glad.

Happy feat like Peyton Manning you mean?

Also have you been watching our oline? Maybe that's a part to the happy feet/not progressing reads?

If we have two good QBs why drop one for the other who likely is rusty and no better anyway?

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5-4 vs. 3-6 or 4-5 is irrelivent. NF7 will be our starting QB in week 11.

Time Will Tell.

NH3...

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It's not about a short leash. It's not about inflating Foles to Brady/Brees status. 

It's about a rookie QB who over the past two weeks has shown a worrisome trend of getting happy feet in the pocket, throwing off balance unnecessarily, and not making his reads with the same patience and poise he did early in the season.  

Giving that young man a chance to refocus and develop into a possible franchise QB  -- as well as getting a chance to see if we got what we paid for when we signed Foles and hired Flip to design an offense for Foles is also an important opportunity. 

If Minshew enters the bye week looking like he did in weeks 3 and 4, then this decision gets tougher. We'll see how that pans out. On the current track , I think getting Foles a chance to show why he got paid is a fine path. 
We have two good quarterbacks, people.  Rejoice and be glad.

Happy feat like Peyton Manning you mean?

Also have you been watching our oline? Maybe that's a part to the happy feet/not progressing reads?

If we have two good QBs why drop one for the other who likely is rusty and no better anyway?

Happy feet, like he's no longer showing poise in the pocket but itchy to escape it too early.
And yes, of COURSE it correlates to the line at times. It also correlates to Minshew holding the ball 4+ seconds too often making their jobs extremely difficult. 

I get you like one better than the other.  I like Minshew's upside better, but I want to see what Foles can do in this offense if Minshew stays on his current track.  I like taking time to develop players when the luxury is available opposed to creating bad habits by forcing rookies into the fire.

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Happy feat like Peyton Manning you mean?

Also have you been watching our oline? Maybe that's a part to the happy feet/not progressing reads?

If we have two good QBs why drop one for the other who likely is rusty and no better anyway?

Happy feet, like he's no longer showing poise in the pocket but itchy to escape it too early.
And yes, of COURSE it correlates to the line at times. It also correlates to Minshew holding the ball 4+ seconds too often making their jobs extremely difficult. 

I get you like one better than the other.  I like Minshew's upside better, but I want to see what Foles can do in this offense if Minshew stays on his current track.  I like taking time to develop players when the luxury is available opposed to creating bad habits by forcing rookies into the fire.

Also the stresses of being a starter and having to commit so much time to game-planning can limit a younger player from working on the little things and those bad habits.
Having Foles start can give Minshew the ability to actually sit back, reflect, and review his previous games and really work on progressing his game while being the backup

Having Minshew play half a season and getting really good tape and experience could be very beneficial for him in the long term

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Do we have any examples where a QB was benched after starting and came back dramatically improved?

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  I like taking time to develop players when the luxury is available opposed to creating bad habits by forcing rookies into the fire.

Also the stresses of being a starter and having to commit so much time to game-planning can limit a younger player from working on the little things and those bad habits.
Having Foles start can give Minshew the ability to actually sit back, reflect, and review his previous games and really work on progressing his game while being the backup

Having Minshew play half a season and getting really good tape and experience could be very beneficial for him in the long term

You can't forge steel without putting it into the fire.

Playing the game is how you separate the Minshews from the Gabberts.

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

If you stick with Minshew, you can always go to Foles, if you go with Foles you can't go back to Minshew unless he gets hurt again.

Money aside, if Minshew is the Franchise QB we just stumbled upon in the 6th. You stick with him and miss Foles in off-season. Or make him your backup.

Foles might be better now cause of experience, but for the next 10 years I go with Minshew cause Foles was only gonna be a short term option.

I would be okey if Minshew struggling to sit and learn for 7 games behind Foles then starter for 2020. But do not want him sitting for next year just cause foles contract.

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Do we have any examples where a QB was benched after starting and came back dramatically improved?

David Garrard came back from a concussion remarkably improved in 2008, I think.  I remember some folks on the board making some jokes about the concussion, getting blasted for said jokes (concussions aren't funny), and then David came back and lit it up.  Might have the year wrong, but I remember him playing well

In the NFL writ large, there was the strange case of Doug Flutie.  Kurt Warner was benched for Eli in New York and enjoyed an incredible 3rd act in Arizona after not doing great as a Giant.

Edit: On topic, I'm one of the few guys around here that actually trust the coaches who see both QBs in practice to make the right decision. If Foles is better, he'll start. If not, we'll get more Minshew Mania. Either is fine with me.

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If Minshew was still playing like he did weeks 1-3, I would say keep him going. But he is showing rookie tendencies: happy feet, missing wide open receivers, holding the ball too long, miscommunications. He is not winning us games right now. Not losing them, but not winning them. I would let Foles play when he comes back, and let Minshew sit. If Foles plays poorly for a few games, put Minshew back in.

I still think Minshew can be the franchise QB though, and there should be no problem in letting him sit behind Foles for a few years, especially if Foles plays well.

If they go back to Foles after the Bye week and bench Minshew, they simply can't go back to Minshew for the rest of this season, unless Foles gets injured again.

You have to give Foles the rest of the season to either hang himself or not, so we can move on from him sooner, rather than later.

I still don't think they should move on from Minshew regardless though, even if Foles is healthy. Foles is what he is and that's average at best. What don't know what Minshew is, or what he could become. I'd rather not wait another 2 years from now to try and find out either.


Continue to play him. Let him take his lumps and learn. We need to know if he's going to be the guy going forward, for the long term. Foles was nothing more than a stop gap to begin with.

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If Minshew was still playing like he did weeks 1-3, I would say keep him going. But he is showing rookie tendencies: happy feet, missing wide open receivers, holding the ball too long, miscommunications. He is not winning us games right now. Not losing them, but not winning them. I would let Foles play when he comes back, and let Minshew sit. If Foles plays poorly for a few games, put Minshew back in.

I still think Minshew can be the franchise QB though, and there should be no problem in letting him sit behind Foles for a few years, especially if Foles plays well.

If they go back to Foles after the Bye week and bench Minshew, they simply can't go back to Minshew for the rest of this season, unless Foles gets injured again.

You have to give Foles the rest of the season to either hang himself or not, so we can move on from him sooner, rather than later.

I still don't think they should move on from Minshew regardless though, even if Foles is healthy. Foles is what he is and that's average at best. What don't know what Minshew is, or what he could become. I'd rather not wait another 2 years to try and find out either.


Continue to play him. Let him take his lumps and learn. We need to know if he's going to be the guy going forward, for the long term. Foles was nothing more than a stop gap to begin with.

This.

Minshew cannot develop from the sidelines. He has broken all kinds of records and it’s possible he could be the franchise qb we have been looking for. Foles was a means to an end...that end was finding a franchise QB. Foles had his chance to be a franchise QB and it didn’t work out. 

Give the kid a shot. You’re gonna have to give a kid a shot eventually anyway!

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If they go back to Foles after the Bye week and bench Minshew, they simply can't go back to Minshew for the rest of this season, unless Foles gets injured again.

You have to give Foles the rest of the season to either hang himself or not, so we can move on from him sooner, rather than later.

I still don't think they should move on from Minshew regardless though, even if Foles is healthy. Foles is what he is and that's average at best. What don't know what Minshew is, or what he could become. I'd rather not wait another 2 years to try and find out either.


Continue to play him. Let him take his lumps and learn. We need to know if he's going to be the guy going forward, for the long term. Foles was nothing more than a stop gap to begin with.

This.

Minshew cannot develop from the sidelines. He has broken all kinds of records and it’s possible he could be the franchise qb we have been looking for. Foles was a means to an end...that end was finding a franchise QB. Foles had his chance to be a franchise QB and it didn’t work out. 

Give the kid a shot. You’re gonna have to give a kid a shot eventually anyway!

Remember all those people who wanted us to trade up to draft Haskins? Sometimes things work out unexpectedly. Stumbling onto Minshew may be the shot in the arm this franchise needed. We will see.

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