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Poll: Who do you start?
Minshew
Foles
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Foles vs Minshew (poll & merged threads)


(11-07-2019, 09:22 PM)Corriewf Wrote:
(11-07-2019, 08:54 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: Absolutely correct.

The only instance when playtime is a bad thing for a QB is when they're weak mentally. Minshew is about as confident and determined as they come. 

We gain nothing from this in the long-term.

At first I agreed with you guys, but you know, none of us are NFL pros. I would imagine there are a ton of logistics behind the scenes and it’s probably hard to learn some of them running for your life. He can watch how plays unfold and are executed with a seasoned vet. The fact that he is so smart means he can benefit quite a lot. The kid hasn’t had one game to watch a starter in the system he’s playing in.
Who cares? He can film of himself Monday-Saturday instead of those 3 hours of watching Foles on Sunday. He is gaining absolutely nothing on Sundays by watching Foles.
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(11-08-2019, 10:17 AM)Cleatwood Wrote:
(11-07-2019, 09:22 PM)Corriewf Wrote: At first I agreed with you guys, but you know, none of us are NFL pros. I would imagine there are a ton of logistics behind the scenes and it’s probably hard to learn some of them running for your life. He can watch how plays unfold and are executed with a seasoned vet. The fact that he is so smart means he can benefit quite a lot. The kid hasn’t had one game to watch a starter in the system he’s playing in.
Who cares? He can film of himself Monday-Saturday instead of those 3 hours of watching Foles on Sunday. He is gaining absolutely nothing on Sundays by watching Foles.

Then why do teams draft and develop QBs every single season by sitting them for a year or more? 

Is Andy Reid a fool? Did Aaron Rodgers "gain absolutely nothing" watching Favre?
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(11-08-2019, 10:22 AM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(11-08-2019, 10:17 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: Who cares? He can film of himself Monday-Saturday instead of those 3 hours of watching Foles on Sunday. He is gaining absolutely nothing on Sundays by watching Foles.

Then why do teams draft and develop QBs every single season by sitting them for a year or more? 

Is Andy Reid a fool? Did Aaron Rodgers "gain absolutely nothing" watching Favre?
Those coaches didn't think they were ready. Not to mention, it was Brett Favre..... Are you also trying to say that if Smith had gotten hurt during Mahomes rookie season and Mahomes did his thing, that Reid would have gone back to Smith? Or if Rodgers did his thing after a Favre injury that they would have gone back to Favre? The injury to Foles changed everything. If Foles never got hurt, we obviously wouldn't have seen Minshew but the problem here, is we did see him. We saw him light up Denver and Carolina (both top 10 pass defense teams). 

I'm also talking from a pure Sunday standpoint. The point some are trying to make is that Minshew is somehow learning something on Sundays. What exactly is that? What's he learning in those 3 hours that he couldn't also learn while playing?

There's no right or wrong way to develop a QB. That's clear considering Peyton played every snap as a rookie and Rodgers sat for 3 years behind a HOF QB but once Minshew took control and it was clear the moment wasn't too big and he wasn't hurting the teams chances (but instead winning games) he should have remained the starter.
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(This post was last modified: 11-08-2019, 10:34 AM by Kane.)

https://www.bigcatcountry.com/2019/11/8/...k-analysis

I know many of you hate going to this site.... but this is why we're going back to Foles.

The OL protected well for the most part Sunday and Minshew couldn't/wouldn't pull the trigger when need be. Tried to make something happen when he should throw it away. And did not see open guys from a clean pocket. Danced and shimmied when he didn't need to. And frankly 8.5 sacks given up are on him when using their break downs.
In 8 starts his rookieness is responsible for a sack a game.

He's not ready. And having him get beat to crap and fumble all over the place isn't going to help him develop.

(11-08-2019, 10:28 AM)Cleatwood Wrote:
(11-08-2019, 10:22 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: Then why do teams draft and develop QBs every single season by sitting them for a year or more? 

Is Andy Reid a fool? Did Aaron Rodgers "gain absolutely nothing" watching Favre?
Those coaches didn't think they were ready. Not to mention, it was Brett Favre..... Are you also trying to say that if Smith had gotten hurt during Mahomes rookie season and Mahomes did his thing, that Reid would have gone back to Smith? Or if Rodgers did his thing after a Favre injury that they would have gone back to Favre? The injury to Foles changed everything. If Foles never got hurt, we obviously wouldn't have seen Minshew but the problem here, is we did see him. We saw him light up Denver and Carolina (both top 10 pass defense teams). 

I'm also talking from a pure Sunday standpoint. The point some are trying to make is that Minshew is somehow learning something on Sundays. What exactly is that? What's he learning in those 3 hours that he couldn't also learn while playing?

There's no right or wrong way to develop a QB. That's clear considering Peyton played every snap as a rookie and Rodgers sat for 3 years behind a HOF QB but once Minshew took control and it was clear the moment wasn't too big and he wasn't hurting the teams chances (but instead winning games) he should have remained the starter.

You are weirdly enamored with Minshew's play which was good for a few games but mostly just OK. (I know he was setting rookie records and yadda yadda, but we weren't winning and he was not good against good teams or good coach staffs)

If he played at a level like Rodgers or Mahomes I could see your gripe... but the kid misses open guys, avoids a rush that isn't there, fumbles a lot, it's all on tape.
Put your feelings aside and chill out dude. We get it, you love you some Minshew. Many of us do too.
But the kid isn't quite ready and sitting won't hurt him.

No wrong way to develop a QB? Then he can sit.
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(11-08-2019, 10:28 AM)Cleatwood Wrote:
(11-08-2019, 10:22 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: Then why do teams draft and develop QBs every single season by sitting them for a year or more? 

Is Andy Reid a fool? Did Aaron Rodgers "gain absolutely nothing" watching Favre?
Those coaches didn't think they were ready. Not to mention, it was Brett Favre..... Are you also trying to say that if Smith had gotten hurt during Mahomes rookie season and Mahomes did his thing, that Reid would have gone back to Smith? Or if Rodgers did his thing after a Favre injury that they would have gone back to Favre? The injury to Foles changed everything. If Foles never got hurt, we obviously wouldn't have seen Minshew but the problem here, is we did see him. We saw him light up Denver and Carolina (both top 10 pass defense teams). 

I'm also talking from a pure Sunday standpoint. The point some are trying to make is that Minshew is somehow learning something on Sundays. What exactly is that? What's he learning in those 3 hours that he couldn't also learn while playing?

There's no right or wrong way to develop a QB. That's clear considering Peyton played every snap as a rookie and Rodgers sat for 3 years behind a HOF QB but once Minshew took control and it was clear the moment wasn't too big and he wasn't hurting the teams chances (but instead winning games) he should have remained the starter.

I'll be clear. 

Minshew is not ready yet. 

He has rare and valuable intangibles. He does not have a firm foundation of fundamentals as a pocket passer yet and he's forced to rely on the intangibles. 

I want him to learn how to function more efficiently from the pocket  - so he doesn't have to build his whole game around running for his life and trying to find an open improvising receiver to move the chains. 

That's it in a nutshell.  He's not going to learn this stuff while running for his life. He's just going to keep winging it. 
I want his amazing ability to wing it to be an asset to him and the team. Not a major pillar of his functionality.
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(11-08-2019, 10:29 AM)Kane Wrote: https://www.bigcatcountry.com/2019/11/8/...k-analysis

I know many of you hate going to this site.... but this is why we're going back to Foles.

The OL protected well for the most part Sunday and Minshew couldn't/wouldn't pull the trigger when need be. Tried to make something happen when he should throw it away. And did not see open guys from a clean pocket. Danced and shimmied when he didn't need to. And frankly 8.5 sacks given up are on him when using their break downs.
In 8 starts his rookieness is responsible for a sack a game.

He's not ready. And having him get beat to crap and fumble all over the place isn't going to help him develop.

(11-08-2019, 10:28 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: Those coaches didn't think they were ready. Not to mention, it was Brett Favre..... Are you also trying to say that if Smith had gotten hurt during Mahomes rookie season and Mahomes did his thing, that Reid would have gone back to Smith? Or if Rodgers did his thing after a Favre injury that they would have gone back to Favre? The injury to Foles changed everything. If Foles never got hurt, we obviously wouldn't have seen Minshew but the problem here, is we did see him. We saw him light up Denver and Carolina (both top 10 pass defense teams). 

I'm also talking from a pure Sunday standpoint. The point some are trying to make is that Minshew is somehow learning something on Sundays. What exactly is that? What's he learning in those 3 hours that he couldn't also learn while playing?

There's no right or wrong way to develop a QB. That's clear considering Peyton played every snap as a rookie and Rodgers sat for 3 years behind a HOF QB but once Minshew took control and it was clear the moment wasn't too big and he wasn't hurting the teams chances (but instead winning games) he should have remained the starter.

You are weirdly enamored with Minshew's play which was good for a few games but mostly just OK. (I know he was setting rookie records and yadda yadda, but we weren't winning and he was not good against good teams or good coach staffs)

If he played at a level like Rodgers or Mahomes I could see your gripe... but the kid misses open guys, avoids a rush that isn't there, fumbles a lot, it's all on tape.
Put your feelings aside and chill out dude. We get it, you love you some Minshew. Many of us do too.
But the kid isn't quite ready and sitting won't hurt him.

No wrong way to develop a QB? Then he can sit.
So because I have a different view point, I'm all in my feelings and need to chill out? lol 

This is all personal preference when it comes to developing a QB. My personal preference is to play the rookies right away (1st rounders that is) and let them take their lumps and learn on the job. And if I was Marrone, once I saw Minshew play well, it would have been the end for Foles. Foles is an average QB with high highs and low lows. 

Minshew has flaws right now. That's true but Foles also turns the ball over, takes bad sacks and misses open guys. In 5 games last year, he threw 4 interceptions, took 9 sacks (behind an elite Oline) and had 3 fumbles.

The funny thing here is that I'm not even completely sold on Minshew. I think that's the main thing here. I want him to play as much as possible to determine if he really is the guy because these next two drafts have some very interesting prospects and with the 1st rounders we have, we could make a play on one if we need to.
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(11-08-2019, 10:43 AM)Cleatwood Wrote:
(11-08-2019, 10:29 AM)Kane Wrote: https://www.bigcatcountry.com/2019/11/8/...k-analysis

I know many of you hate going to this site.... but this is why we're going back to Foles.

The OL protected well for the most part Sunday and Minshew couldn't/wouldn't pull the trigger when need be. Tried to make something happen when he should throw it away. And did not see open guys from a clean pocket. Danced and shimmied when he didn't need to. And frankly 8.5 sacks given up are on him when using their break downs.
In 8 starts his rookieness is responsible for a sack a game.

He's not ready. And having him get beat to crap and fumble all over the place isn't going to help him develop.


You are weirdly enamored with Minshew's play which was good for a few games but mostly just OK. (I know he was setting rookie records and yadda yadda, but we weren't winning and he was not good against good teams or good coach staffs)

If he played at a level like Rodgers or Mahomes I could see your gripe... but the kid misses open guys, avoids a rush that isn't there, fumbles a lot, it's all on tape.
Put your feelings aside and chill out dude. We get it, you love you some Minshew. Many of us do too.
But the kid isn't quite ready and sitting won't hurt him.

No wrong way to develop a QB? Then he can sit.
So because I have a different view point, I'm all in my feelings and need to chill out? lol 

This is all personal preference when it comes to developing a QB. My personal preference is to play the rookies right away (1st rounders that is) and let them take their lumps and learn on the job. And if I was Marrone, once I saw Minshew play well, it would have been the end for Foles. Foles is an average QB with high highs and low lows. 

Minshew has flaws right now. That's true but Foles also turns the ball over, takes bad sacks and misses open guys. In 5 games last year, he threw 4 interceptions, took 9 sacks (behind an elite Oline) and had 3 fumbles.

The funny thing here is that I'm not even completely sold on Minshew. I think that's the main thing here. I want him to play as much as possible to determine if he really is the guy because these next two drafts have some very interesting prospects and with the 1st rounders we have, we could make a play on one if we need to.

We don't need Minshew to play as much as possible to know what we have. He had 9 games with 8 starts. We know what we have with him. Potential.
IF we're in position to draft a franchise changing QB, we will. 

Minshew played great against bad teams and not so great against better teams. There isn't much else we need to draw from that. It isn't about what he's learning on Sunday it's about what he'll do in the off season to get better.
I'm not trying to put Foles up on a high horse at all... just trying to bring the mania back down to a simmer. It was fun, but he didn't play as well as some people think. 
And my entire point is, putting him on the bench isn't going to hinder him from developing. He isn't a first rounder. We don't have to start him.

People might wanna get used to the idea of Foles (if healthy) being our starting QB... for 2020. He wasn't signed as a one year stop gap.
And Minshew really didn't play so out of his mind that you HAVE to move on from Foles. Especially if he plays well the next few weeks.

Our upcoming draft (2020) should be used to build up the team around the QB position. OL, DB, TE, LB, NT
QB won't be readdressed until 2021. And banging the table about starting Minshew is why people may think you're all in your feelings about it. It just ain't happening my dude. It's Foles for now. Minshew maybe later.
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(11-07-2019, 07:34 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: Good article looking at the Jags O through 9 weeks. 
https://www.si.com/nfl/jaguars/news/wher...change-an/

Sorry to quote myself. Looking at the stats, this is why we are giving Foles a shot.

We've had 102 possessions in 9 games, 11 above the league average. Were averaging 32.09yds over drive (17th in NFL). Colts have 37.07yds in 78 possessions, Houston 37.31yds in 97 possessions.

[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.72)]One of Jacksonville’s primary issues on offense this season has been stringing together long drives. Too often the offense has been feast or famine. Either it is going to create big plays and drive down the field or it has been forced to punt quickly.[/color]

[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.72)]One good illustration of this issue is the Football Outsiders’ metric of three and outs per drive. The Jaguars’ are averaging 0.235 three and outs per drive, which ranks 25th in the NFL. The league average is 0.204.[/color]

In terms of points, we average 1.66pts per possession (23rd in NFL, Avg 1.99pts). Houston 2.49pts per drive (4th), Colts 2.28pts (10th). The reason? We kick too many field goals.

We are 0.147 TD's per drive, 28th in the league, NFL average is 0.216. We've kicked 0.216 FG per drive, 3rd in the NFL. 0.144 league average. This is the red zone O.

We are scoring 4.10pts per RZ possession, 28th in NFL. We are 0.345 TD's per RZ possession, 31st in the league (only Bengals worse). League average 0.555.

So the big thing for Foles, is getting 7 from those redzone trips, it's being able to have big plays and if we can get the run game being more consistent for 60mins then there are a lot of fixable things there.
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(11-08-2019, 11:42 AM)JagFan81 Wrote:
(11-07-2019, 07:34 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: Good article looking at the Jags O through 9 weeks. 
https://www.si.com/nfl/jaguars/news/wher...change-an/

Sorry to quote myself. Looking at the stats, this is why we are giving Foles a shot.

We've had 102 possessions in 9 games, 11 above the league average. Were averaging 32.09yds over drive (17th in NFL). Colts have 37.07yds in 78 possessions, Houston 37.31yds in 97 possessions.

[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.72)]One of Jacksonville’s primary issues on offense this season has been stringing together long drives. Too often the offense has been feast or famine. Either it is going to create big plays and drive down the field or it has been forced to punt quickly.[/color]

[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.72)]One good illustration of this issue is the Football Outsiders’ metric of three and outs per drive. The Jaguars’ are averaging 0.235 three and outs per drive, which ranks 25th in the NFL. The league average is 0.204.[/color]

In terms of points, we average 1.66pts per possession (23rd in NFL, Avg 1.99pts). Houston 2.49pts per drive (4th), Colts 2.28pts (10th). The reason? We kick too many field goals.

We are 0.147 TD's per drive, 28th in the league, NFL average is 0.216. We've kicked 0.216 FG per drive, 3rd in the NFL. 0.144 league average. This is the red zone O.

We are scoring 4.10pts per RZ possession, 28th in NFL. We are 0.345 TD's per RZ possession, 31st in the league (only Bengals worse). League average 0.555.

So the big thing for Foles, is getting 7 from those redzone trips, it's being able to have big plays and if we can get the run game being more consistent for 60mins then there are a lot of fixable things there.

And that’s why you have to start Foles. Is our red zone issue Minshew’s fault, poor scheming, poor blocking..etc etc. you can’t figure that out until the rookie is out of there. 

I was all for Minshew taking over, but I’m a jag fan first and the franchise needs to answer those questions among others.
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(11-08-2019, 12:44 PM)Corriewf Wrote:
(11-08-2019, 11:42 AM)JagFan81 Wrote: Sorry to quote myself. Looking at the stats, this is why we are giving Foles a shot.

We've had 102 possessions in 9 games, 11 above the league average. Were averaging 32.09yds over drive (17th in NFL). Colts have 37.07yds in 78 possessions, Houston 37.31yds in 97 possessions.

[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.72)]One of Jacksonville’s primary issues on offense this season has been stringing together long drives. Too often the offense has been feast or famine. Either it is going to create big plays and drive down the field or it has been forced to punt quickly.[/color]

[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.72)]One good illustration of this issue is the Football Outsiders’ metric of three and outs per drive. The Jaguars’ are averaging 0.235 three and outs per drive, which ranks 25th in the NFL. The league average is 0.204.[/color]

In terms of points, we average 1.66pts per possession (23rd in NFL, Avg 1.99pts). Houston 2.49pts per drive (4th), Colts 2.28pts (10th). The reason? We kick too many field goals.

We are 0.147 TD's per drive, 28th in the league, NFL average is 0.216. We've kicked 0.216 FG per drive, 3rd in the NFL. 0.144 league average. This is the red zone O.

We are scoring 4.10pts per RZ possession, 28th in NFL. We are 0.345 TD's per RZ possession, 31st in the league (only Bengals worse). League average 0.555.

So the big thing for Foles, is getting 7 from those redzone trips, it's being able to have big plays and if we can get the run game being more consistent for 60mins then there are a lot of fixable things there.

And that’s why you have to start Foles. Is our red zone issue Minshew’s fault, poor scheming, poor blocking..etc etc. you can’t figure that out until the rookie is out of there. 

I was all for Minshew taking over, but I’m a jag fan first and the franchise needs to answer those questions among others.

Its mainly putting enough points on the board. Too many 3 and outs and too many FG's instead of TD's. We've had 1 rush TD all year. It's not all on Minshew, but it's not like were putting Kessler out there, it's a SB winning QB we paid big money for. Foles is experienced. It's going to all be put on him but he wont fix those numbers alone. 

I'm with you, there are players I like but I want the team to have some real success, I want us to be a playoff challenger. If Foles improves the O's points scoring then it's a good thing.
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My interest in the season took a nose dive after putting Foles. My interest in the NFL has been flopping over officiating the past few years and to be frank I’m of the belief franchise qbs are drafted not signed. Minshew gave the fan base hope of having a franchise qb to hopefully push the field level, Foles doesn’t inspire that in the slightest. Frankly I’d rather watch Bortles.
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"Frankly I’d rather watch Bortles."

LOL dear god
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(11-10-2019, 09:08 AM)waveZ666 Wrote: "Frankly I’d rather watch Bortles."

LOL dear god
I can’t believe that was actually thought, typed and then submitted. There were plenty of chances not to say it!
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There's three obvious options as far as outcomes from this decision:

Foles comes in and delivers at a level substantially better.
Foles comes in and does the same or worse.
Foles comes in and gets broken in pieces again.

Hoping for #1, but would bet big on #2 followed by #3.

And a big "Dear God, No..." to watching Bortles.
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(11-10-2019, 09:36 AM)Cleatwood Wrote:
(11-10-2019, 09:08 AM)waveZ666 Wrote: "Frankly I’d rather watch Bortles."

LOL dear god
I can’t believe that was actually thought, typed and then submitted. There were plenty of chances not to say it!

Yes, and at 8:33AM!  So he probably wasn't even drunk when he typed it.
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(11-08-2019, 11:14 AM)Kane Wrote:
(11-08-2019, 10:43 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: So because I have a different view point, I'm all in my feelings and need to chill out? lol 

This is all personal preference when it comes to developing a QB. My personal preference is to play the rookies right away (1st rounders that is) and let them take their lumps and learn on the job. And if I was Marrone, once I saw Minshew play well, it would have been the end for Foles. Foles is an average QB with high highs and low lows. 

Minshew has flaws right now. That's true but Foles also turns the ball over, takes bad sacks and misses open guys. In 5 games last year, he threw 4 interceptions, took 9 sacks (behind an elite Oline) and had 3 fumbles.

The funny thing here is that I'm not even completely sold on Minshew. I think that's the main thing here. I want him to play as much as possible to determine if he really is the guy because these next two drafts have some very interesting prospects and with the 1st rounders we have, we could make a play on one if we need to.

We don't need Minshew to play as much as possible to know what we have. He had 9 games with 8 starts. We know what we have with him. Potential.
IF we're in position to draft a franchise changing QB, we will. 

Minshew played great against bad teams and not so great against better teams. There isn't much else we need to draw from that. It isn't about what he's learning on Sunday it's about what he'll do in the off season to get better.
I'm not trying to put Foles up on a high horse at all... just trying to bring the mania back down to a simmer. It was fun, but he didn't play as well as some people think. 
And my entire point is, putting him on the bench isn't going to hinder him from developing. He isn't a first rounder. We don't have to start him.

People might wanna get used to the idea of Foles (if healthy) being our starting QB... for 2020. He wasn't signed as a one year stop gap.
And Minshew really didn't play so out of his mind that you HAVE to move on from Foles. Especially if he plays well the next few weeks.

Our upcoming draft (2020) should be used to build up the team around the QB position. OL, DB, TE, LB, NT
QB won't be readdressed until 2021. And banging the table about starting Minshew is why people may think you're all in your feelings about it. It just ain't happening my dude. It's Foles for now. Minshew maybe later.

We already drafted a franchise changing quarterback and we dont know how to handle it. And now we're benching him in favor of a guy who isn't the future.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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Ask and you shall receive. Lol!! Dont miss these!!

https://mobile.twitter.com/camdasilva/st...frame.html
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(11-08-2019, 10:36 AM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(11-08-2019, 10:28 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: Those coaches didn't think they were ready. Not to mention, it was Brett Favre..... Are you also trying to say that if Smith had gotten hurt during Mahomes rookie season and Mahomes did his thing, that Reid would have gone back to Smith? Or if Rodgers did his thing after a Favre injury that they would have gone back to Favre? The injury to Foles changed everything. If Foles never got hurt, we obviously wouldn't have seen Minshew but the problem here, is we did see him. We saw him light up Denver and Carolina (both top 10 pass defense teams). 

I'm also talking from a pure Sunday standpoint. The point some are trying to make is that Minshew is somehow learning something on Sundays. What exactly is that? What's he learning in those 3 hours that he couldn't also learn while playing?

There's no right or wrong way to develop a QB. That's clear considering Peyton played every snap as a rookie and Rodgers sat for 3 years behind a HOF QB but once Minshew took control and it was clear the moment wasn't too big and he wasn't hurting the teams chances (but instead winning games) he should have remained the starter.

I'll be clear. 

Minshew is not ready yet. 

He has rare and valuable intangibles. He does not have a firm foundation of fundamentals as a pocket passer yet and he's forced to rely on the intangibles. 

I want him to learn how to function more efficiently from the pocket  - so he doesn't have to build his whole game around running for his life and trying to find an open improvising receiver to move the chains. 

That's it in a nutshell.  He's not going to learn this stuff while running for his life. He's just going to keep winging it. 
I want his amazing ability to wing it to be an asset to him and the team. Not a major pillar of his functionality.

This makes sense.  He does need to learn how to read the field quicker while standing in the pocket.  Watching Foles can help with that.  My biggest concern is the line not holding up and Foles getting beat up on while standing there.  I'm excited to see how this plays out and my biggest hope is positivity, because being wrong means success.

(11-11-2019, 10:52 AM)JagFan81 Wrote: Ask and you shall receive. Lol!! Dont miss these!!

https://mobile.twitter.com/camdasilva/st...frame.html
That was ugly.  Only 1 WR on the right side blocking with 3 defenders crashing down.  I guess they prefer using him as a decoy and just running the ball.
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(11-11-2019, 11:00 AM)JagsFansince1995 Wrote:
(11-08-2019, 10:36 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: I'll be clear. 

Minshew is not ready yet. 

He has rare and valuable intangibles. He does not have a firm foundation of fundamentals as a pocket passer yet and he's forced to rely on the intangibles. 

I want him to learn how to function more efficiently from the pocket  - so he doesn't have to build his whole game around running for his life and trying to find an open improvising receiver to move the chains. 

That's it in a nutshell.  He's not going to learn this stuff while running for his life. He's just going to keep winging it. 
I want his amazing ability to wing it to be an asset to him and the team. Not a major pillar of his functionality.

This makes sense.  He does need to learn how to read the field quicker while standing in the pocket.  Watching Foles can help with that.  My biggest concern is the line not holding up and Foles getting beat up on while standing there.  I'm excited to see how this plays out and my biggest hope is positivity, because being wrong means success.

(11-11-2019, 10:52 AM)JagFan81 Wrote: Ask and you shall receive. Lol!! Dont miss these!!

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That was ugly.  Only 1 WR on the right side blocking with 3 defenders crashing down.  I guess they prefer using him as a decoy and just running the ball.

The snap hit him in the chest so it may have been a run play to Gurley and still diving head first a good 2 yards short! But yeah that's a horrible play.
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(11-11-2019, 09:44 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(11-08-2019, 11:14 AM)Kane Wrote: We don't need Minshew to play as much as possible to know what we have. He had 9 games with 8 starts. We know what we have with him. Potential.
IF we're in position to draft a franchise changing QB, we will. 

Minshew played great against bad teams and not so great against better teams. There isn't much else we need to draw from that. It isn't about what he's learning on Sunday it's about what he'll do in the off season to get better.
I'm not trying to put Foles up on a high horse at all... just trying to bring the mania back down to a simmer. It was fun, but he didn't play as well as some people think. 
And my entire point is, putting him on the bench isn't going to hinder him from developing. He isn't a first rounder. We don't have to start him.

People might wanna get used to the idea of Foles (if healthy) being our starting QB... for 2020. He wasn't signed as a one year stop gap.
And Minshew really didn't play so out of his mind that you HAVE to move on from Foles. Especially if he plays well the next few weeks.

Our upcoming draft (2020) should be used to build up the team around the QB position. OL, DB, TE, LB, NT
QB won't be readdressed until 2021. And banging the table about starting Minshew is why people may think you're all in your feelings about it. It just ain't happening my dude. It's Foles for now. Minshew maybe later.

We already drafted a franchise changing quarterback and we dont know how to handle it. And now we're benching him in favor of a guy who isn't the future.

It's a reach to say Minshew is a franchise changing quarterback.

I think the team is handling it just fine. Had Minshew been balling so hard and winning, I would see the angst. But he wasn't playing that well, whether due to injury or teams scheming him up, or whatever.

If Foles completely [BLEEP] the bed you guys might have a gripe. But I honestly don't see that happening.
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