So seriously...how is Murray up for OROY but not Minshew?  Minshew has as many TDs, half as many INTs, and only 500 fewer yards in four fewer games.

Take the teal shades off.

Minshew had some baaaaaaaaaaaad games mid-season. Had foles not come out looking like Blaine Gabbert, he'd probably still be starting in 'shew's place.

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So seriously...how is Murray up for OROY but not Minshew?  Minshew has as many TDs, half as many INTs, and only 500 fewer yards in four fewer games.

Take the teal shades off.

Minshew had some baaaaaaaaaaaad games mid-season. Had foles not come out looking like Blaine Gabbert, he'd probably still be starting in 'shew's place.

Minshew has one bad game.  And Kyler has had several.

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Kirk is a good WR as well and an old Fitz is still better than a lot of WRs

Chark > Kirk. Larry is a shell of his HOF self.

There isn't a single thing that Minshew does better than Murray and again, I like Minshew. Not to mention, he plays in the best division in football.

Yea... except turn the ball over.

Murray is way better at doing that than Minshew.

Minshew really doesn't have much of a team around him. And his coaches didn't design anything for him.

Kyler Murray was handed a coach that loved him and they built a system specifically for him. No one is doing that for a 6th rounder.

Next year Minshew is going to be elite if he gets the coaching that will make an offense for him. Book it.

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Kirk is a good WR as well and an old Fitz is still better than a lot of WRs

Yes Kirk is a good WR (and also a rookie). Not saying he isn't. I'm just saying, the lack of talent on AZ is comparable to our lack of talent. They're on their 3rd RB iirc, that they acquired via trade. Their OL is trash. They have no stud TE and I couldn't for the life of me name a WR after  Kirk and Fitz.

Anyone claiming Minshew is the better QB is just being silly I think. 
That being said I really think Minshew can develop. I think we got a steal if he does. And I believe in his ability to be a franchise guy.
Just wish people would stop over hyping a guy who clearly has some issues to work out (taking sacks, field vision, fumbles/ball security) like he should have been a first rounder based on stat sheets alone.

But Kirk isn't a rookie though. I do agree that the talents on the offer see is comparable.  Not to mention coaching, they have Kingsburry who is building his offense around Murray. Andy Isabella is a great WR they need to learn how to get more involved as he is a rookie though

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Chark > Kirk. Larry is a shell of his HOF self.

There isn't a single thing that Minshew does better than Murray and again, I like Minshew. Not to mention, he plays in the best division in football.

Yea... except turn the ball over.

Murray is way better at doing that than Minshew.

Minshew really doesn't have much of a team around him. And his coaches didn't design anything for him.

Kyler Murray was handed a coach that loved him and they built a system specifically for him. No one is doing that for a 6th rounder.

Next year Minshew is going to be elite if he gets the coaching that will make an offense for him. Book it.

You sure about that? Try adding in Minshews fumbles lost.....

I like Minshew but there is no chance he becomes elite (Rodgers, Brees, Mahomes, Wilson) next season. No chance at all.

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Take the teal shades off.

Minshew had some baaaaaaaaaaaad games mid-season. Had foles not come out looking like Blaine Gabbert, he'd probably still be starting in 'shew's place.

Minshew has one bad game.  And Kyler has had several.

Saints 
Texans 2nd game  
Chargers 

All very bad games. Then there's games like Oakland and Texans first game where he looked unplayable for 3 quarters. Bengals game looked a lot worse than it did statistically. 
 

I'm a fan but he's definitely had bad games (as all rookie will)

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Yes Kirk is a good WR (and also a rookie). Not saying he isn't. I'm just saying, the lack of talent on AZ is comparable to our lack of talent. They're on their 3rd RB iirc, that they acquired via trade. Their OL is trash. They have no stud TE and I couldn't for the life of me name a WR after  Kirk and Fitz.

Anyone claiming Minshew is the better QB is just being silly I think. 
That being said I really think Minshew can develop. I think we got a steal if he does. And I believe in his ability to be a franchise guy.
Just wish people would stop over hyping a guy who clearly has some issues to work out (taking sacks, field vision, fumbles/ball security) like he should have been a first rounder based on stat sheets alone.

But Kirk isn't a rookie though. I do agree that the talents on the offer see is comparable.  Not to mention coaching, they have Kingsburry who is building his offense around Murray.  Andy Isabella is a great WR they need to learn how to get more involved as he is a rookie though

My bad... Not sure why I thought Kirk came out this year. He made significant strides inhis 2nd year much like Chark

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Yea... except turn the ball over.

Murray is way better at doing that than Minshew.

Minshew really doesn't have much of a team around him. And his coaches didn't design anything for him.

Kyler Murray was handed a coach that loved him and they built a system specifically for him. No one is doing that for a 6th rounder.

Next year Minshew is going to be elite if he gets the coaching that will make an offense for him. Book it.

You sure about that? Try adding in Minshews fumbles lost.....

I like Minshew but there is no chance he becomes elite (Rodgers, Brees, Mahomes, Wilson) next season. No chance at all.

Minshew has one bad game.  And Kyler has had several.

Saints 
Texans 2nd game  
Chargers 

All very bad games. Then there's games like Oakland and Texans first game where he looked unplayable for 3 quarters. Bengals game looked a lot worse than it did statistically. 
 

I'm a fan but he's definitely had bad games (as all rookie will)

But but but the stat sheet says......

Minshew has had great games and terrible games.
I don't know why fans can't be objective about him.

Elite in year 2? Really? Geez a lou....

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Minshew has one bad game.  And Kyler has had several.

Saints 
Texans 2nd game  
Chargers 

All very bad games. Then there's games like Oakland and Texans first game where he looked unplayable for 3 quarters. Bengals game looked a lot worse than it did statistically. 
 

I'm a fan but he's definitely had bad games (as all rookie will)

What sucks is that when you try to be objective, you're labeled a hater.

I like Minshew but I also realize he's limited in some aspects whereas the ceiling is super high for Murray.

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Some of you must be missing the throws that Murray makes every single game.

I like Minshew but I would trade him and a 1st rounder for Murray in a heart beat.

If Minshew pops his ACL, he's roughly the same player coming back, physically, that he was when he went out. He's not exactly a blazing athlete in the first place, and a lot of his runs are successful because he waits long enough that the defense is spread out and can't converge on him right away.

If Murray pops his knee badly enough, he goes from a dynamic dual-threat to a 5'9" pocket passer. Yes, the ceiling is sky-high, but so is the risk of ending up with a badly broken QB.

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Some of you must be missing the throws that Murray makes every single game.

I like Minshew but I would trade him and a 1st rounder for Murray in a heart beat.

If Minshew pops his ACL, he's roughly the same player coming back, physically, that he was when he went out. He's not exactly a blazing athlete in the first place, and a lot of his runs are successful because he waits long enough that the defense is spread out and can't converge on him right away.

If Murray pops his knee badly enough, he goes from a dynamic dual-threat to a 5'9" pocket passer. Yes, the ceiling is sky-high, but so is the risk of ending up with a badly broken QB.

What makes Murray special isn't his legs. He makes throws only about 3-4 guys in the whole league can make. He has special arm talent.

Also, you must have missed where Watson tore his ACL like 2 times and is still the same dude.

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Some of you must be missing the throws that Murray makes every single game.

I like Minshew but I would trade him and a 1st rounder for Murray in a heart beat.

If Minshew pops his ACL, he's roughly the same player coming back, physically, that he was when he went out. He's not exactly a blazing athlete in the first place, and a lot of his runs are successful because he waits long enough that the defense is spread out and can't converge on him right away.

If Murray pops his knee badly enough, he goes from a dynamic dual-threat to a 5'9" pocket passer. Yes, the ceiling is sky-high, but so is the risk of ending up with a badly broken QB.

This isn't the 80s my guy. ACL tears do not ruin your level of speed to that degree.

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I was under the mistaken impression this thread was about Grier. Guess I have the wrong thread.

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I was under the mistaken impression this thread was about Grier.  Guess I have the wrong thread.

Nah... you right...
rough first start for the kid...

Perhaps he can develop in an off season...
6 weeks ago I thought Cam was as good as gone and Allen/Grier were their definite guys of the future, with one of the two eventually developing into a legit starter.
Now... I'm not so sure Carolina doesn't retain Cam to finish out his contract and let those guys develop a little more. Allen faded after starting hot (kinda like Minshew) and Grier just didn't look good.

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I was under the mistaken impression this thread was about Grier.  Guess I have the wrong thread.

Nah... you right...
rough first start for the kid...

Perhaps he can develop in an off season...
6 weeks ago I thought Cam was as good as gone and Allen/Grier were their definite guys of the future, with one of the two eventually developing into a legit starter.
Now... I'm not so sure Carolina doesn't retain Cam to finish out his contract and let those guys develop a little more. Allen faded after starting hot (kinda like Minshew) and Grier just didn't look good.

Yeah, it doesn't help Moore went out in the first with a concussion in the 1st but he still should of played better than that.

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If Minshew pops his ACL, he's roughly the same player coming back, physically, that he was when he went out. He's not exactly a blazing athlete in the first place, and a lot of his runs are successful because he waits long enough that the defense is spread out and can't converge on him right away.

If Murray pops his knee badly enough, he goes from a dynamic dual-threat to a 5'9" pocket passer. Yes, the ceiling is sky-high, but so is the risk of ending up with a badly broken QB.

What makes Murray special isn't his legs. He makes throws only about 3-4 guys in the whole league can make. He has special arm talent.

Also, you must have missed where Watson tore his ACL like 2 times and is still the same dude.

When he speaks I feel like I lose IQ points.

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So seriously...how is Murray up for OROY but not Minshew?  Minshew has as many TDs, half as many INTs, and only 500 fewer yards in four fewer games.

It seemed like Minshew was considered more for it during the first half of the season when he was playing really well. Now not as much in this 2nd half especially after he was benched. I do think though that neither one of them may win it and that it will probably go to Josh Jacobs from the Raiders.

Minshew still has a chance to be nominated and win the Pepsi Rookie of the Year Award. I had mentioned this in another thread a little while ago, but Pepsi looks at all different rookie nominees/winners of the Pepsi Rookie of the week awards. And they nominate five rookies. With all of the times he's won this season, I could see Minshew being nominated for the yearly award. And it's fan voted and would allow him to probably go to Miami during the Super Bowl festivities.

Pepsi holds a rookie brunch during these festivities and there is trophy handed out to their rookie of the year winner. So Minshew could win that award if enough fans vote for him. And sometimes the Pepsi Rookie of the Year award winner is different than the OROY award winner. Teddy Bridgewater won it in 2014, but OBJ won the OROY award that year.

Also, regarding Will Grier, he did have a rough first game. But he's a rookie, it's his first game, and he hasn't had hardly any opportunity to work with the 1s. I think he can possibly show growth and develop, I just don't know how much of an opportunity he may get to do that. He'll probably get next week and then after that, I'm not sure what the Panthers will do with the QB situation. Cam seems like he wants to come back, so maybe they will roll the dice with him for another year.

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