He was snagged by the panthers while Jaguars were sitting on their butts.

How do you know they didn't try to bring him in? You don't. So don't say they are sitting on their butts when you have no clue.

I know you are one of the apologist for this [BLEEP] storm of a front office and owner. Keep playing that holier than thou card. Nobody give a [BLEEP].

But the reality is if they are really trying, that’s much more sad and pathetic than if they aren’t. Speaks volumes to the state of the franchise. You Should probably consider that before you go on defending. Stop sucking, do better.

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How do you know they didn't try to bring him in? You don't. So don't say they are sitting on their butts when you have no clue.

I know you are one of the apologist for this [BLEEP] storm of a front office and owner. Keep playing that holier than thou card. Nobody give a [BLEEP].

But the reality is if they are really trying, that’s much more sad and pathetic than if they aren’t. Speaks volumes to the state of the franchise. You Should probably consider that before you go on defending. Stop sucking, do better.

A few ways to look at this. 

He's right that you really don't know what Marrone/Caldwell have their sights on and who they have or haven't contacted. 
However - 
If they failed to attract a coach they contacted - it wouldn't be unusual given the possible lame duck year ahead for the Jags staff. 

So - if you want to be mad about something - be mad about Khan keeping Caldwell and Marrone for a potential lame duck year. The assistant coach limitations are a direct result. 

Personally - I was ready to see Caldwell and Marrone gone (and I've supported Caldwell more than most.) 
But I'm not tripping.  It's unfortunately gonna take two years to get this roster repaired enough to challenge for a division title anyway.  "Competitive" may be our ceiling in 2020. 

 Now - if Marrone leads a 2020 team that is near the top of the league in penalties again and can't field a defense capable of stopping the run - I'll be leading the charge to fire them both at the bye week.

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I know you are one of the apologist for this [BLEEP] storm of a front office and owner. Keep playing that holier than thou card. Nobody give a [BLEEP].

But the reality is if they are really trying, that’s much more sad and pathetic than if they aren’t. Speaks volumes to the state of the franchise. You Should probably consider that before you go on defending. Stop sucking, do better.

A few ways to look at this. 

He's right that you really don't know what Marrone/Caldwell have their sights on and who they have or haven't contacted. 
However - 
If they failed to attract a coach they contacted - it wouldn't be unusual given the possible lame duck year ahead for the Jags staff. 

So - if you want to be mad about something - be mad about Khan keeping Caldwell and Marrone for a potential lame duck year. The assistant coach limitations are a direct result. 

Personally - I was ready to see Caldwell and Marrone gone (and I've supported Caldwell more than most.) 
But I'm not tripping.  It's unfortunately gonna take two years to get this roster repaired enough to challenge for a division title anyway.  "Competitive" may be our ceiling in 2020. 

 Now - if Marrone leads a 2020 team that is near the top of the league in penalties again and can't field a defense capable of stopping the run - I'll be leading the charge to fire them both at the bye week.

You get me. I agree with you 100%. Because let's say he was offered our job and the Panthers job. Which is he more likely to take? I mean I am a Jags fan and I am taking the Panther job hands down. Easy decision imo.

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A few ways to look at this. 

He's right that you really don't know what Marrone/Caldwell have their sights on and who they have or haven't contacted. 
However - 
If they failed to attract a coach they contacted - it wouldn't be unusual given the possible lame duck year ahead for the Jags staff. 

So - if you want to be mad about something - be mad about Khan keeping Caldwell and Marrone for a potential lame duck year. The assistant coach limitations are a direct result. 

Personally - I was ready to see Caldwell and Marrone gone (and I've supported Caldwell more than most.) 
But I'm not tripping.  It's unfortunately gonna take two years to get this roster repaired enough to challenge for a division title anyway.  "Competitive" may be our ceiling in 2020. 

 Now - if Marrone leads a 2020 team that is near the top of the league in penalties again and can't field a defense capable of stopping the run - I'll be leading the charge to fire them both at the bye week.

You get me. I agree with you 100%. Because let's say he was offered our job and the Panthers job. Which is he more likely to take? I mean I am a Jags fan and I am taking the Panther job hands down. Easy decision imo.

Indeed.

Whoever takes our OC job is one of three things
An interior promotion (RB coach, WR coach, etc)
An OC recently fired that isn't getting any bites (Broncos OC, Giants OC, etc)
or a guy like Garrett who could see the position as a foot in the door to another HC job (Doug fired mid season, Garrett interim HC)

None of which are going to be sexy or provide any sort of mood boost to the fans.

The chances of getting staff members on board that would get the fans back on board went out the window when Khan decided to retain Doug and Dave.
2021 is the earliest we'll see any fresh faces...
The good news is... McDaniels, Bieniemy, and plenty others will still be available due to HC jobs and coach staffs pretty much being wrapped up elsewhere.
The bad news is... we'll have to possibly suffer through 2020 listening to half of the message board crying about someone needing to be fired every week

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Just heard on ESPN radio here in Chicago that the Bears hired John DeFilippo as QBs coach.

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Where he belongs. Not sure why people thought he had any value as an oc outside of here.

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I wasn’t impressed with his play calling. Our power back had 76 receptions.

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I wasn’t impressed with his play calling. Our power back had 76 receptions.

Getting 27 involved in the passing game may have actually been the smartest thing he did (outside of working Minshew into a Foles playbook so effectively.)

It worked well. 522 yards - 7 yards per catch and 5.2 yards per target.  
Given Fournette's 2018 production - this was a wise and welcome augmentation.

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I read that Jason Garrett interviewed for the Giants OC position yesterday:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001...ticleshare

I wonder when we may hear information about potential candidates for this position for the Jags.

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You get me. I agree with you 100%. Because let's say he was offered our job and the Panthers job. Which is he more likely to take? I mean I am a Jags fan and I am taking the Panther job hands down. Easy decision imo.

@Flippin' apologist.@

Am I doing this right?

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You get me. I agree with you 100%. Because let's say he was offered our job and the Panthers job. Which is he more likely to take? I mean I am a Jags fan and I am taking the Panther job hands down. Easy decision imo.

@Flippin' apologist.@

Am I doing this right?

How I am I an apologist. Just because I am not bashing thre Jags for not getting a guy who clearly chose thre better overall situation? Because no one on this board had any idea if the Jags were even considered. I prefer to form my opinions on facts and not on speculation.

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well, don't think there's been one word about any prospective OC interview by the Jags has there?

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"Stay tight, stay close. Great things are going to continue to happen for this football team."  - Doug Peterson

well, don't think there's been  one word about any prospective OC interview by the Jags has there?

We have to wait until the absolute last minute.. Takes a while to get to the bottom of the barrel..

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speaking of Josh Oliver .....does anyone think he'll live up to expectations in 2020?

Not using the term expectation, but I am not banking on him to be the savior of the position. If he manages to stay healthy and help the offense move chains, that's just icing on the cake for me. ...keeping this on topic with OCs, I don't see Oliver or the TE position in general to be that crucial as criteria to hiring our OC.  I know everyone said Flip's schemes were reliant on TE to gain success, I don't want to paint our offense into that corner. Don't hire an OC who is some wunderkind with TE at the expense of the rest of the offense, especially when our TE group is a big fat question mark at this point.

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Whats the hype behind Garrett.  I always heard the Cowgirls were stupid for keeping him as long as they did.  So is he a better hire than trying to go after the Chiefs OC?

I think it's more that one is currently unemployed, and the other is not likely to take a lateral hire with a less potent offense.

I can understand that but its moreso, i'm not truly sold on Garrett.  Reading post from, i forget his name, he seems to think Garrett can work well with Minshew so im open to hoping that could actually be true.  We'll see what route we take.

Its kind of funny tho.  Flip must've knew this ship was sinking fast if he left an OC job to be a QB coach.

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Season Tix, Section 409

2023 and still counting.....SB will finally be ours soon enough.
TLaw aka 'the prince that was promised' supporter.

well, don't think there's been  one word about any prospective OC interview by the Jags has there?

If their intent was simply to promote from within, we'd have an OC by now. Could mean that they're currently interviewing, could mean that they're waiting for a position coach to get knocked out of the playoffs (Kafka?), could be that they just haven't decided what they want to do yet and are taking their time.

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Hey Chicago. Did you know your new QB Coach loves Nick Foles?!

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Hey Chicago. Did you know your new QB Coach loves Nick Foles?!

Adam S. breaking news of a trade incoming later today lol.  Foles and Jags 4th rd pick to Bears for a 7 point spot to them when the game starts between us next year.

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Season Tix, Section 409

2023 and still counting.....SB will finally be ours soon enough.
TLaw aka 'the prince that was promised' supporter.

Not using the term expectation, but I am not banking on him to be the savior of the position. If he manages to stay healthy and help the offense move chains, that's just icing on the cake for me. ...keeping this on topic with OCs, I don't see Oliver or the TE position in general to be that crucial as criteria to hiring our OC.  I know everyone said Flip's schemes were reliant on TE to gain success, I don't want to paint our offense into that corner. Don't hire an OC who is some wunderkind with TE at the expense of the rest of the offense, especially when our TE group is a big fat question mark at this point.

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I think it's more that one is currently unemployed, and the other is not likely to take a lateral hire with a less potent offense.

I can understand that but its moreso, i'm not truly sold on Garrett.  Reading post from, i forget his name, he seems to think Garrett can work well with Minshew so im open to hoping that could actually be true.  We'll see what route we take.

Its kind of funny tho.  Flip must've knew this ship was sinking fast if he left an OC job to be a QB coach.

Oesher has said that it's simply a nice way of saying they fired him, not that it was mutual.  Apparently the feeling inside the building is he didn't get the job done.

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I can understand that but its moreso, i'm not truly sold on Garrett.  Reading post from, i forget his name, he seems to think Garrett can work well with Minshew so im open to hoping that could actually be true.  We'll see what route we take.

Its kind of funny tho.  Flip must've knew this ship was sinking fast if he left an OC job to be a QB coach.

Oesher has said that it's simply a nice way of saying they fired him, not that it was mutual.  Apparently the feeling inside the building is he didn't get the job done.

Further proof that Khan may be too nice.

Just FIRE him.

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Oesher has said that it's simply a nice way of saying they fired him, not that it was mutual.  Apparently the feeling inside the building is he didn't get the job done.

Further proof that Khan may be too nice.

Just FIRE him.

Khan doesn't fire assistant coaches. Marrone does.

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