It’s hard to convince people social distancing is necessary but they still go to work and interact with the public all day

Thankfully my husband works at a wastewater treatment plant that #1 can't and won't be shut down so no loss of income unless he gets sick, #2 he only works with one other person on night shift and they work in different parts of the plant, #3 due to the nature of his job he is already a hand washing fanatic and keeping stuff clean. 

This is all very good for him because he suffers with bad asthma that a normal chest cold can do some serious damage to his lungs. I don't want to think of what COVID-19 would do to him. 

I feel for those who have to be in contact with the public every day. Stay safe as you can!

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TBH, I don't blame them so much. For a couple of reasons:

1. Social distancing is a relatively novel concept for most people. 
2. Covid-19 has been highly politicized, so when good, helpful information is made available, it's not taken seriously. 
3. Covid-19 has been substantially downplayed by US leadership up until the past 3-5 days. Lack of preparation/testing capacity has and will continue to play a huge role. 
4. People are having an unsurprisingly hurricane-esque response to it: completely discounting the threat or completely panicking about it. Everyone in-between don't know what to do, so business as usual. 

Trump is going to give a new press conference at 3pm this afternoon. Considering the market's continued free-fall even after a bump from his corporate talent show press conference on Friday, I expect him to implore as much self quarantining as possible. This will get worse before it gets better. I have to believe that people's trust in him is wavering, even in his base - which is my logical interpretation given how things have progressively gotten worse despite every action he's taken or statement he's made. He's got to do something drastic to slow the flow.

What?  Have thy cake and eat it too.  

You cant both advocate the kinds of social distancing and quarantine ur prescribing and then criticize its affect on the economy.  

Lack of preparation on testing capacity.  This virus wasnt named until 12 30 2019.  A month later we shut down all travel with our largest trading partner.  

This is the fastest approval of high through put testing in the history of the FDA.  Should we have used the WHO approved tests instead of the CDC trying to build their own?  Absolutely.  No ones disputing that.  That's why we rewrote the regulations.  But there was not a magic box with "300 million coronavirus test kits" that the administration just lost track of.  Just like theres not a magic button that says "dow @ 35k" for the fed to press.  

Trump supporters elected him to be a competent leader to inject as much private sector efficiency into government bureaucracies as possible.  We never expected him to be God.

JJ, for some wild reason, you're mistaking the objectivity of my analysis as some critique of Trump.

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I'll play you in ping pong. 

What?  Have thy cake and eat it too.  

You cant both advocate the kinds of social distancing and quarantine ur prescribing and then criticize its affect on the economy.  

Lack of preparation on testing capacity.  This virus wasnt named until 12 30 2019.  A month later we shut down all travel with our largest trading partner.  

This is the fastest approval of high through put testing in the history of the FDA.  Should we have used the WHO approved tests instead of the CDC trying to build their own?  Absolutely.  No ones disputing that.  That's why we rewrote the regulations.  But there was not a magic box with "300 million coronavirus test kits" that the administration just lost track of.  Just like theres not a magic button that says "dow @ 35k" for the fed to press.  

Trump supporters elected him to be a competent leader to inject as much private sector efficiency into government bureaucracies as possible.  We never expected him to be God.

JJ, for some wild reason, you're mistaking the objectivity of my analysis as some critique of Trump.

Lol

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JJ, for some wild reason, you're mistaking the objectivity of my analysis as some critique of Trump.

Lol

I'm no fan of Trump, that's not new. But I'm also not simultaneously critiquing the current state of the market and advocating for social distancing measures. I am advocating for the latter. The former...just facts, man. Trump has to do something drastic to reverse the course. Things won't improve for at least a week to two weeks. I honestly feel for him as there's not much "right" he can do, even for some in his base.

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I'll play you in ping pong. 

Whelp, my UK trip is [BLEEP]. RIP $5K.

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Lol

I'm no fan of Trump, that's not new. But I'm also not simultaneously critiquing the current state of the market and advocating for social distancing measures. I am advocating for the latter. The former...just facts, man. Trump has to do something drastic to reverse the course. Things won't improve for at least a week to two weeks. I honestly feel for him as there's not much "right" he can do, even for some in his base.

Reverse what course?  What do u mean by reverse course?  We are going to intentionally diminish our productive capacity by 10 to 20% to fight the spread of this thing.  That's going to have a direct economic impact.  This only gets fixed on the downslope of the spread curve.  

Congress is going to come up with a recovery package to stem the tide of consumers not being able to work and earn money, the fed put more incentive for companies to take greater risk when we hit the Crest.  That's not reversing course.  When you break a bone u set it and let it heal.

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I'm no fan of Trump, that's not new. But I'm also not simultaneously critiquing the current state of the market and advocating for social distancing measures. I am advocating for the latter. The former...just facts, man. Trump has to do something drastic to reverse the course. Things won't improve for at least a week to two weeks. I honestly feel for him as there's not much "right" he can do, even for some in his base.

Reverse what course?  What do u mean by reverse course?  We are going to intentionally diminish our productive capacity by 10 to 20% to fight the spread of this thing.  That's going to have a direct economic impact.  This only gets fixed on the downslope of the spread curve.  

Congress is going to come up with a recovery package to stem the tide of consumers not being able to work and earn money, the fed put more incentive for companies to take greater risk when we hit the Crest.  That's not reversing course.  When you break a bone u set it and let it heal.

Good god, dude. Semantics. Reverse the course, slow the flow, stem the tide, flatten the curve, etc. etc. etc. It shouldn't be this hard to have a conversation with you.

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I'll play you in ping pong. 

Whelp, my UK trip is [BLEEP]. RIP $5K.

Seriously? That blows man. I've NEVER purchased trip insurance for any trip, cruise etc. I'm reconsidering that in the future.

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Whelp, my UK trip is [BLEEP]. RIP $5K.

Seriously? That blows man. I've NEVER purchased trip insurance for any trip, cruise etc. I'm reconsidering that in the future.

The tour director was awesome and just refunded their amount up front, but I spent a little--ok, a lot--extra to get a side trip in on either end of the tour UK tour. I did buy trip insurance months ago, before anyone knew what a coronavirus was, and the only way they'll cover anything is if I fly over there and actually get the coronavirus while in Europe. I won't even bother calling the airlines for another couple of weeks, because they're only refunding or crediting flight balances for flights that are canceled due to the travel ban. If that ban is extended, I'm good. If it's not, I'm [BLEEP].

I'm not bitter though. I mean, it's not like President Dumb[bleep] J. Trump could have ordered a more aggressive response as soon as the virus was detected on US shores or anything.

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This has gone beyond being silly (people hoarding toilet paper).  The very suggestion of seizing and nationalizing businesses is borderline scary.  This was said by Bill de Blahblah from New York.

“This is a case for a nationalization, literally a nationalization, of crucial factories and industries that could produce the medical supplies to prepare this country for what we need,” de Blasio told MSNBC’s Joy Reid on Saturday, calling for “24/7 shifts” during what he called a “war-like situation.”

The following day, de Blasio reiterated this message, telling CNN that “the federal government needs to take over the supply chain right now.” He specified the need for companies that make ventilators, surgical masks, and hand sanitizers to be taken over and made to work around the clock.

That kind of thinking is beyond socialist thinking, it's flat out communism.  That's the stuff that causes Revolutions.

The other thing that is disturbing is government mandating (forcing) businesses to close or alter their business practices.  I can understand businesses doing so on their own, but being forced by government is wrong.

People need to heed advice and be sensible.  Buying a year supply of toilet paper and hand sanitizer isn't going to keep you safe.  Practicing common sense hygiene (ie. wash your hands), eat a healthy diet and get plenty of rest is the right thing to do.  I wouldn't exactly be going to highly populated events right now, but it should be my choice, not forced on me by government.  I realize that there are people that will make stupid decisions and I'll share an example.

We have a woman maybe early 50's that works in our building as a janitor.  Over the last couple of years she has battled and is winning her fight against breast cancer.  She is in full remission and has been so for a while now, but after undergoing chemo therapy her immune system is probably not what it normally would be.  She chose to take this last Friday off to attend Bike Week down in Daytona this past weekend.  Not really a good idea.

I say let people make their own decisions and let natural selection take over.

I don't have any symptoms yet, but I actually expect to probably catch COVID-19 due to my job.  I work around a lot of people from around the world with equipment that we all physically touch.  It's pretty much impossible to keep everything sterilized especially since it's in a confined space.

People are just too panicked right now and much of the media doesn't help matters any.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

https://www.biospace.com/article/release...ronavirus/

Interesting read... they have looked at the atomic structure of the S-Protein (spike protein) and have come up with a vaccine based on that.

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Seriously? That blows man. I've NEVER purchased trip insurance for any trip, cruise etc. I'm reconsidering that in the future.

The tour director was awesome and just refunded their amount up front, but I spent a little--ok, a lot--extra to get a side trip in on either end of the tour UK tour. I did buy trip insurance months ago, before anyone knew what a coronavirus was, and the only way they'll cover anything is if I fly over there and actually get the coronavirus while in Europe. I won't even bother calling the airlines for another couple of weeks, because they're only refunding or crediting flight balances for flights that are canceled due to the travel ban. If that ban is extended, I'm good. If it's not, I'm [BLEEP].

I'm not bitter though. I mean, it's not like President Dumb[bleep] J. Trump could have ordered a more aggressive response as soon as the virus was detected on US shores or anything.

EDIT: MODS: Fix your [BLEEP] word filter again

Shut down all travel from our largest trade partner and quarantined all us citizens being repatriated. And at the time what did the peanut gallery say?  "Racist, unneccessary...  FEARMONGERING."

This is by far and without question the most intense anti-viral response in the history of this country. Hes POTUS not God.  

H1n1 we allowed 1k deaths before the official declaration of emergency.

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Hear me out something is off here, why are governments across the world shutting down for a contagious but relatively non-lethal virus?

We’re told it’s a virus that most will get over in a few days but then told to self quarantine through social distancing and we’re seeing local and foreign governments complete shut economies down why? Is this virus more deadly then we’re being told? How is it possible the wealthiest and most advanced medical system is so far behind testing for a nominal virus? Why is the strongest economy on the planet so quick to shut down over a virus?

If we are to believe this virus targets the old and sick is it possible this was a bio weapon engineered to cull the population of sick and old unproductive population? China has a long history of valuing control over population. They already have the one child policy and forced abortions to control the population. What if they designed this virus to kill off the old and sick their communist government see as a strain on the system?

What if this bio engineered virus is now evolving and gone far beyond what they anticipated? That would make sense to me all the other government globally going to such drastic measures since they don’t know what it’s going to do?

Jus reconnecting the dots and they don’t line up with the narrative we are being feed.

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Hear me out something is off here, why are governments across the world shutting down for a contagious but relatively non-lethal virus?

We’re told it’s a virus that most will get over in a few days but then told to self quarantine through social distancing and we’re seeing local and foreign governments complete shut economies down why? Is this virus more deadly then we’re being told? How is it possible the wealthiest and most advanced medical system is so far behind testing for a nominal virus? Why is the strongest economy on the planet so quick to shut down over a virus?

If we are to believe this virus targets the old and sick is it possible this was a bio weapon engineered to cull the population of sick and old unproductive population? China has a long history of valuing control over population. They already have the one child policy and forced abortions to control the population. What if they designed this virus to kill off the old and sick their communist government see as a strain on the system?

What if this bio engineered virus is now evolving and gone far beyond what they anticipated? That would make sense to me all the other government globally going to such drastic measures since they don’t know what it’s going to do?

Jus reconnecting the dots and they don’t line up with the narrative we are being feed.

So, the US coordinated with China to engineer a virus in a Wuhan lab that would wipe US senior citizens off the planet so they could salvage Medicare and Social Security for future generations? 

Possibly.

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Hear me out something is off here, why are governments across the world shutting down for a contagious but relatively non-lethal virus?

We’re told it’s a virus that most will get over in a few days but then told to self quarantine through social distancing and we’re seeing local and foreign governments complete shut economies down why? Is this virus more deadly then we’re being told? How is it possible the wealthiest and most advanced medical system is so far behind testing for a nominal virus? Why is the strongest economy on the planet so quick to shut down over a virus?

If we are to believe this virus targets the old and sick is it possible this was a bio weapon engineered to cull the population of sick and old unproductive population? China has a long history of valuing control over population. They already have the one child policy and forced abortions to control the population. What if they designed this virus to kill off the old and sick their communist government see as a strain on the system?

What if this bio engineered virus is now evolving and gone far beyond what they anticipated? That would make sense to me all the other government globally going to such drastic measures since they don’t know what it’s going to do?

Jus reconnecting the dots and they don’t line up with the narrative we are being feed.

So, the US coordinated with China to engineer a virus in a Wuhan lab that would wipe US senior citizens off the planet so they could salvage Medicare and Social Security for future generations? 

Possibly.

I’m more inclined to believe communist China meant to cull their population of the unproductive and it’s now out of control

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So, the US coordinated with China to engineer a virus in a Wuhan lab that would wipe US senior citizens off the planet so they could salvage Medicare and Social Security for future generations? 

Possibly.

I’m more inclined to believe communist China meant to cull their population of the unproductive and it’s now out of control

I'm curious what happens with the US/China relationship when the dust settles on this. The threat to withhold antibiotics from US has to be the line in the sand.

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I’m more inclined to believe communist China meant to cull their population of the unproductive and it’s now out of control

I'm curious what happens with the US/China relationship when the dust settles on this. The threat to withhold antibiotics from US has to be the line in the sand.

Possible we see a true divorce of the economies all though that maybe impossible if both economies are so badly damaged by the economic ramifications

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Weee being told the mortality rate (for advanced countries) is somewhere between .5 and 1% I think the # from South Korea is .7% H1N1 had a mortality rate of .02% so if we had the mortality rate of South Korea applied to the infection rate of h1n1 we would loose more americans in a year than we lost in ww2.

Unfortunately I don't think this is necessarily man made. Nature has an interesting way of throwing a nasty bug like this @ us every 25 years.

The fact that symptoms are so subtle for so.many actually works against containment. There are a lot of asymptomatic carriers that will never get tested or curb their behavior that will pass the virus on to a lot of people. With SARS COV it was the opposite. Periods of highest cobtagen were later in the disease after you became symptomatic and tested positive. That made testing and quarantine orders of magnitude more effective.

Why didnt the CDC adopt the WHO test? Historians will be critiquing that decision for centuries. If we had, then theres a real chance the curve would be even shallower than it is now, but the bigger contributor was that we didnt anticipate the european vector when banning travel.

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I'd be careful comparing systems. People with public health systems are likely to seek treatment earlier.

If you are only willing to get medical assistance when it becomes very serious that may affect survival rate.

South Korea etc also learned a lot in the SARS crisis.

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I'd be careful comparing systems. People with public health systems are likely to seek treatment earlier.

If you are only willing to get medical assistance when it becomes very serious that may affect survival rate.

South Korea etc also learned a lot in the SARS crisis.

We waived all cost for cov testing.  Part of a free market includes not being seen by consumers as heartless jerks.  

My point is that when you look @ market systems their productive capacity is far ahead of state run systems.  As an example, the US shoulders 75% of the RD burden for the global health system.  Most countries with public systems routinely ration elective or non essential procedures as part of normal business.  That's not the case in the us.

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