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Henderson at 9???

#1

I’m guessing it’s one of those smokescreens you get in the weeks just before the draft, but we’re starting to see rumours that CJ Henderson is being seen by some GMs as a top 10 pick and maybe even a better player than Okudah.

And there are some who are connecting him with the Jaguars at nine. 

So what do we think?

Possible?

And would you be happy with Henderson at nine?
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#2
(This post was last modified: 04-15-2020, 03:51 PM by Kane.)

Honestly at this point I'll be happy with just about anything at 9 except a QB or RB
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#3

(04-15-2020, 03:50 PM)Kane Wrote: Honestly at this point I'll be happy with just about anything at 9 except a QB or RB

Jalen Hurts it is.
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#4

(04-15-2020, 03:57 PM)TJBender Wrote:
(04-15-2020, 03:50 PM)Kane Wrote: Honestly at this point I'll be happy with just about anything at 9 except a QB or RB

Jalen Hurts it is.

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#5

Dane Brugler is also of this opinion. It's a little hard to argue that this may be team's greatest need right now and it is a position of great importance. Most mock drafts have him going anywhere between 9 and 19. If Brown, Simmons and Okudah are all gone at 9, I'd have to seriously consider trading back 3-5 spots with the possibility that Henderson will still be on the board. I'd hold out for either a 2nd or high 3rd rounder, depending on how far they move back. If Henderson is gone, they could still get a top receiver, Kinlaw or one of the remaining offensive tackles with the pick. I'd be more than satisfied with the 1st 2 rounds looking like this:

Henderson
Kinlaw
Higgins
Cleveland
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#6

Henderson is 6’1’’ and plays fast and with great recovery speed.
So yeah I wouldn’t mind at all.
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#7

If we want a top CB it will have to be at 9 most likely, unless we trade back a few picks.
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#8

I'd be bouddit
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#9

Yeah no
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#10

He’s worth it. And we know Dave loves drafting Florida kids. At 9 or even in a trade back I could see it. He will go top 12 in my opinion.
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#11

(04-16-2020, 04:24 AM)knarnn Wrote: He’s worth it. And we know Dave loves drafting Florida kids. At 9 or even in a trade back I could see it. He will go top 12 in my opinion.

Is he physical? Can he go up against and suppress Deandre Hopkins like Jalen did?
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#12

Wouldn't have an issue with it at all.
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#13

(04-16-2020, 03:39 PM)JAllen#41 Wrote: Wouldn't have an issue with it at all.

I would if he can't tackle or play zone. We need a complete #1 corner in the top 10. Otherwise grab your 10-year starter at LT and rest your feet on the desk until #20.
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#14

I would riot if we took Henderson at #9 or #20. He's a good cover corner, but he's a TERRIBLE tackler. Didn't we see enough horrible tackling from the Jags last year? Why in God's name, would we wanna draft a guy in the first round with those traits? That would make no sense.
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(04-19-2020, 10:43 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: I would riot if we took Henderson at #9 or #20. He's a good cover corner, but he's a TERRIBLE tackler. Didn't we see enough horrible tackling from the Jags last year? Why in God's name, would we wanna draft a guy in the first round with those traits? That would make no sense.

You wouldn't draft him because he's bad at like the 6th most important part of being a cornerback? That's like saying you won't draft a DE who is a stud at rushing the passer because he doesn't bat down enough passes for your liking.
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(04-19-2020, 10:49 AM)Upper Wrote:
(04-19-2020, 10:43 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: I would riot if we took Henderson at #9 or #20. He's a good cover corner, but he's a TERRIBLE tackler. Didn't we see enough horrible tackling from the Jags last year? Why in God's name, would we wanna draft a guy in the first round with those traits? That would make no sense.

You wouldn't draft him because he's bad at like the 6th most important part of being a cornerback? That's like saying you won't draft a DE who is a stud at rushing the passer because he doesn't bat down enough passes for your liking.

Tackling is WAY more important than the 6th most important thing of being a CB. The receivers are gonna catch about 50% of the passes thrown to them. The CB has to be able to bring them down or there is gonna be multiple big plays against us, each game.
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(04-19-2020, 10:54 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(04-19-2020, 10:49 AM)Upper Wrote: You wouldn't draft him because he's bad at like the 6th most important part of being a cornerback? That's like saying you won't draft a DE who is a stud at rushing the passer because he doesn't bat down enough passes for your liking.

Tackling is WAY more important than the 6th most important thing of being a CB. The receivers are gonna catch about 50% of the passes thrown to them. The CB has to be able to bring them down or there is gonna be multiple big plays against us, each game.

I think you're overrating how much a single player has on run defense, especially a CB. As a team we were 30th in the league with .12 missed tackles per snap (PFF charting). The league leader was almost .09. Changing one cornerback from being an excellent to awful tackler would have an almost negligible effect. Even if it was a stud NT it would only have a small effect by itself. The problems ran far deeper than just personnel.

Also, I agree Henderson had an awful 2019 season as far as tackling is concerned, but he wasn't bad at it in 2018. I think it was just an effort thing because he knew he was a first rounder and didn't want to risk getting hurt. Not that that's a great excuse, but I think there's something to it. I think it's also why he gave up more deep passes, he was in pretty good position most of the time he just got outphysical'd at the catch point. UF did use him to blitz a fair amount last year and he laid the wood on the QB a few times, so I think it's in there to be a passable tackler he was just preserving himself.
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(04-19-2020, 10:54 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(04-19-2020, 10:49 AM)Upper Wrote: You wouldn't draft him because he's bad at like the 6th most important part of being a cornerback? That's like saying you won't draft a DE who is a stud at rushing the passer because he doesn't bat down enough passes for your liking.

Tackling is WAY more important than the 6th most important thing of being a CB. The receivers are gonna catch about 50% of the passes thrown to them. The CB has to be able to bring them down or there is gonna be multiple big plays against us, each game.

I would riot at #9. I want a complete #1 corner in the top 10. I would be happy if he fell to #20. Even if he became Fernando Bryant or last year's version of Bouye, he'd be a success at that spot.
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#19
(This post was last modified: 04-20-2020, 07:25 AM by flgatorsandjags.)

(04-19-2020, 10:54 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(04-19-2020, 10:49 AM)Upper Wrote: You wouldn't draft him because he's bad at like the 6th most important part of being a cornerback? That's like saying you won't draft a DE who is a stud at rushing the passer because he doesn't bat down enough passes for your liking.

Tackling is WAY more important than the 6th most important thing of being a CB. The receivers are gonna catch about 50% of the passes thrown to them. The CB has to be able to bring them down or there is gonna be multiple big plays against us, each game.

Henderson can tackle.  Go watch the SC game, he led the team in tackles with 9, go watch the FL St game as well
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#20

(04-16-2020, 12:39 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote:
(04-16-2020, 04:24 AM)knarnn Wrote: He’s worth it. And we know Dave loves drafting Florida kids. At 9 or even in a trade back I could see it. He will go top 12 in my opinion.

Is he physical? Can he go up against and suppress Deandre Hopkins like Jalen did?

Are we going to play the Cardinals this year?
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