I'm on the fence until more information comes out. I don't subscribe to the idea that the incoming National Security Advisor can't call a foreign diplomat to discuss future relations. Most administrations have done that. The Logan Act, in this case, is ridiculous. That said, Flynn did have some shady dealings with foreign governments. I don't think it was unreasonable that he was on the radar. That doesn't mean that it was acceptable to unmask him and undermine his rights for that phone call. If the FBI thinks he was doing something shady, they don't get to just start spying on an American citizen without a warrant. I think, when it all comes down to it, there's going to be pressure to release the transcript of Flynn's phone call. If he said something that could be criminal, I would be much less inclined to care.

However, Flynn aside. I find it particularly concerning that the FBI wrote "get him to lie or get him fired." Getting him to lie doesn't really bother me, because any time you think a person may be lying, you want to try to catch them in a lie, and I feel that falls within the purview of an investigation. However, it is completely out of bounds for anyone in the FBI to get someone fired. In what world should the FBI enact it's own justice, even if this dude was an informant. At best, it's an abuse of power. Someone needs to be punished.

I tend to believe Barr. I think it would be a fool's errand to go after Obama or Biden. Part of the role of punishment is to deter future abuse of power, and I think hitting Clapper or Comey would be sufficient.

He wasn't fired for any of this mumbo jumbo though.
He wasn't fired for lying to the FBI.
He wasn't fired for being a foreign agent of the republic of Turkey.
He wasn't fired for failing to fill out the required registration forms to be a foreign agent of the republic of Turkey.
He wasn't fired for having a phone call with the ambassador from Russia during the transition period.
He was simply fired for lying to the vice president.
He chose to lie to the vice president, he got caught, and the vice president and the president demanded his resignation at that time.
He got prosecuted after he was fired. By Trump's appointees.
This is only coming up now to distract everyone from something else.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

I'm on the fence until more information comes out. I don't subscribe to the idea that the incoming National Security Advisor can't call a foreign diplomat to discuss future relations. Most administrations have done that. The Logan Act, in this case, is ridiculous. That said, Flynn did have some shady dealings with foreign governments. I don't think it was unreasonable that he was on the radar. That doesn't mean that it was acceptable to unmask him and undermine his rights for that phone call. If the FBI thinks he was doing something shady, they don't get to just start spying on an American citizen without a warrant. I think, when it all comes down to it, there's going to be pressure to release the transcript of Flynn's phone call. If he said something that could be criminal, I would be much less inclined to care.

However, Flynn aside. I find it particularly concerning that the FBI wrote "get him to lie or get him fired." Getting him to lie doesn't really bother me, because any time you think a person may be lying, you want to try to catch them in a lie, and I feel that falls within the purview of an investigation. However, it is completely out of bounds for anyone in the FBI to get someone fired. In what world should the FBI enact it's own justice, even if this dude was an informant. At best, it's an abuse of power. Someone needs to be punished.

I tend to believe Barr. I think it would be a fool's errand to go after Obama or Biden. Part of the role of punishment is to deter future abuse of power, and I think hitting Clapper or Comey would be sufficient.

He wasn't fired for any of this mumbo jumbo though.
He wasn't fired for lying to the FBI.
He wasn't fired for being a foreign agent of the republic of Turkey.
He wasn't fired for failing to fill out the required registration forms to be a foreign agent of the republic of Turkey.
He wasn't fired for having a phone call with the ambassador from Russia during the transition period.
He was simply fired for lying to the vice president.
He chose to lie to the vice president, he got caught, and the vice president and the president demanded his resignation at that time.
He got prosecuted after he was fired.  By Trump's appointees.
This is only coming up now to distract everyone from something else.

You keep repeating the lie "Trump's appointees." The only Trump appointee was  Jeff Sessions and he recused himself from the investigation.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

He wasn't fired for any of this mumbo jumbo though.
He wasn't fired for lying to the FBI.
He wasn't fired for being a foreign agent of the republic of Turkey.
He wasn't fired for failing to fill out the required registration forms to be a foreign agent of the republic of Turkey.
He wasn't fired for having a phone call with the ambassador from Russia during the transition period.
He was simply fired for lying to the vice president.
He chose to lie to the vice president, he got caught, and the vice president and the president demanded his resignation at that time.
He got prosecuted after he was fired.  By Trump's appointees.
This is only coming up now to distract everyone from something else.

You keep repeating the lie "Trump's appointees." The only Trump appointee was  Jeff Sessions and he recused himself from the investigation.

Who appointed Mueller?
Rosenstein.
Who appointed Rosenstein?
Trump.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

I'm on the fence until more information comes out. I don't subscribe to the idea that the incoming National Security Advisor can't call a foreign diplomat to discuss future relations. Most administrations have done that. The Logan Act, in this case, is ridiculous. That said, Flynn did have some shady dealings with foreign governments. I don't think it was unreasonable that he was on the radar. That doesn't mean that it was acceptable to unmask him and undermine his rights for that phone call. If the FBI thinks he was doing something shady, they don't get to just start spying on an American citizen without a warrant. I think, when it all comes down to it, there's going to be pressure to release the transcript of Flynn's phone call. If he said something that could be criminal, I would be much less inclined to care.

However, Flynn aside. I find it particularly concerning that the FBI wrote "get him to lie or get him fired." Getting him to lie doesn't really bother me, because any time you think a person may be lying, you want to try to catch them in a lie, and I feel that falls within the purview of an investigation. However, it is completely out of bounds for anyone in the FBI to get someone fired. In what world should the FBI enact it's own justice, even if this dude was an informant. At best, it's an abuse of power. Someone needs to be punished.

I tend to believe Barr. I think it would be a fool's errand to go after Obama or Biden. Part of the role of punishment is to deter future abuse of power, and I think hitting Clapper or Comey would be sufficient.

He wasn't fired for any of this mumbo jumbo though.
He wasn't fired for lying to the FBI.
He wasn't fired for being a foreign agent of the republic of Turkey.
He wasn't fired for failing to fill out the required registration forms to be a foreign agent of the republic of Turkey.
He wasn't fired for having a phone call with the ambassador from Russia during the transition period.
He was simply fired for lying to the vice president.
He chose to lie to the vice president, he got caught, and the vice president and the president demanded his resignation at that time.
He got prosecuted after he was fired.  By Trump's appointees.
This is only coming up now to distract everyone from something else.

You are so dumb.

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He wasn't fired for any of this mumbo jumbo though.
He wasn't fired for lying to the FBI.
He wasn't fired for being a foreign agent of the republic of Turkey.
He wasn't fired for failing to fill out the required registration forms to be a foreign agent of the republic of Turkey.
He wasn't fired for having a phone call with the ambassador from Russia during the transition period.
He was simply fired for lying to the vice president.
He chose to lie to the vice president, he got caught, and the vice president and the president demanded his resignation at that time.
He got prosecuted after he was fired.  By Trump's appointees.
This is only coming up now to distract everyone from something else.

You are so dumb.

Teach me to be smart like you, oh wise one.
Did I say anything that wasn't true? Did you miss remember something? did you forget that the president I'm referring to above is Trump and the vice president I'm referring to above is Pence?
He was fired for lying to Pence.
No, everything except my last sentence is a fact.
And the last sentence is an opinion that is founded on those facts.
So your only protest could be that these are not relevant facts, so the opinion is not necessarily wrong, but moot.

And why wouldn't you feel that way? These facts at the very least detract from and at worst totally contradict the point you are making.
Of course you feel they're irrelevant.
It's the only retreat you have where you still get to feel like you're right about this.

No wonder you want the like dislike button coming back. You want people to be keeping score. 
Let it go.
Admit you're wrong.
I'm not keeping score.
Who cares if anyone is?

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You are so dumb.

Teach me to be smart like you, oh wise one.
Did I say anything that wasn't true? Did you miss remember something? did you forget that the president I'm referring to above is Trump and the vice president I'm referring to above is Pence?
He was fired for lying to Pence.
No, everything except my last sentence is a fact.
And the last sentence is an opinion that is founded on those facts.
So your only protest could be that these are not relevant facts, so the opinion is not necessarily wrong, but moot.

And why wouldn't you feel that way? These facts at the very least detract from and at worst totally contradict the point you are making.
Of course you feel they're irrelevant.
It's the only retreat you have where you still get to feel like you're right about this.

No wonder you want the like dislike button coming back. You want people to be keeping score. 
Let it go.
Admit you're wrong.
I'm not keeping score.
Who cares if anyone is?

Dude, you are getting crapped on today. Take a pause for the cause, regroup, and come  back tomorrow. There is no shame in that.

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Teach me to be smart like you, oh wise one.
Did I say anything that wasn't true? Did you miss remember something? did you forget that the president I'm referring to above is Trump and the vice president I'm referring to above is Pence?
He was fired for lying to Pence.
No, everything except my last sentence is a fact.
And the last sentence is an opinion that is founded on those facts.
So your only protest could be that these are not relevant facts, so the opinion is not necessarily wrong, but moot.

And why wouldn't you feel that way? These facts at the very least detract from and at worst totally contradict the point you are making.
Of course you feel they're irrelevant.
It's the only retreat you have where you still get to feel like you're right about this.

No wonder you want the like dislike button coming back. You want people to be keeping score. 
Let it go.
Admit you're wrong.
I'm not keeping score.
Who cares if anyone is?

Dude, you are getting crapped on today. Take a pause for the cause, regroup, and come  back tomorrow. There is no shame in that.

There's no shame in sticking to my guns either.  None of this means anything.  I've admitted I was wrong many times here, and I admit to being widely disliked every day.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

I would have made a witty response, but I didn't want to confuse you.

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I would have made a witty response, but I didn't want to confuse you.

"Thanks, you've been a lovely audience! Please tip the bartenders and have a great rest of your evening!"

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

I'm on the fence until more information comes out. I don't subscribe to the idea that the incoming National Security Advisor can't call a foreign diplomat to discuss future relations. Most administrations have done that. The Logan Act, in this case, is ridiculous. That said, Flynn did have some shady dealings with foreign governments. I don't think it was unreasonable that he was on the radar. That doesn't mean that it was acceptable to unmask him and undermine his rights for that phone call. If the FBI thinks he was doing something shady, they don't get to just start spying on an American citizen without a warrant. I think, when it all comes down to it, there's going to be pressure to release the transcript of Flynn's phone call. If he said something that could be criminal, I would be much less inclined to care.

However, Flynn aside. I find it particularly concerning that the FBI wrote "get him to lie or get him fired." Getting him to lie doesn't really bother me, because any time you think a person may be lying, you want to try to catch them in a lie, and I feel that falls within the purview of an investigation. However, it is completely out of bounds for anyone in the FBI to get someone fired. In what world should the FBI enact it's own justice, even if this dude was an informant. At best, it's an abuse of power. Someone needs to be punished.

I tend to believe Barr. I think it would be a fool's errand to go after Obama or Biden. Part of the role of punishment is to deter future abuse of power, and I think hitting Clapper or Comey would be sufficient.

He wasn't fired for any of this mumbo jumbo though.
He wasn't fired for lying to the FBI.
He wasn't fired for being a foreign agent of the republic of Turkey.
He wasn't fired for failing to fill out the required registration forms to be a foreign agent of the republic of Turkey.
He wasn't fired for having a phone call with the ambassador from Russia during the transition period.
He was simply fired for lying to the vice president.
He chose to lie to the vice president, he got caught, and the vice president and the president demanded his resignation at that time.
He got prosecuted after he was fired.  By Trump's appointees.
This is only coming up now to distract everyone from something else.

#NOTTODAYBRUH

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Treasury Department whistleblower says Obama's Treasury Dept illegally targeted Trump associates and family.  

The whistleblower said Treasury should never have been part of the unmasking of Flynn, because its surveillance operation was off-the-books. That is to say, the Justice Department never gave the required approval to the Treasury program, and so there were no guidelines, approvals nor reports that would be associated with a DOJ-sanctioned domestic surveillance operation.

“Accessing this information without approved and signed attorney general guidelines would violate U.S. persons constitutional rights and civil liberties,” she said.

https://tennesseestar.com/2020/05/18/exc...tleblower/

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You keep repeating the lie "Trump's appointees." The only Trump appointee was  Jeff Sessions and he recused himself from the investigation.

Who appointed Mueller?
Rosenstein.
Who appointed Rosenstein?
Trump.

Rosenstein was a holdover from the Obama administration.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

Who appointed Mueller?
Rosenstein.
Who appointed Rosenstein?
Trump.

Rosenstein was a holdover from the Obama administration.

No.
Bush 43 appointed Rosenstein to be the federal prosecutor over Maryland.
US prosecutors are almost always fired when a new President takes over.  Obama chose to keep Rosenstein in that same job.  
When Trump became President, it would have been typical for Rosenstein to be fired, but Trump chose not to.  Instead, he promoted Rosenstein.
It's amazing that the guy survived two changes of adminstration.  Usually prosecutors don't even survive one.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Rosenstein was a holdover from the Obama administration.

No.
Bush 43 appointed Rosenstein to be the federal prosecutor over Maryland.
US prosecutors are almost always fired when a new President takes over.  Obama chose to keep Rosenstein in that same job.  
When Trump became President, it would have been typical for Rosenstein to be fired, but Trump chose not to.  Instead, he promoted Rosenstein.
It's amazing that the guy survived two changes of adminstration.  Usually prosecutors don't even survive one.

So just to be clear, you're saying that a guy who worked in the Obama Admin then continued to work in the Trump Admin wasn't a holdover. Got it.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Who appointed Mueller?
Rosenstein.
Who appointed Rosenstein?
Trump.

Rosenstein was a holdover from the Obama administration.

And also a holdover from the Bush administration.

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I'll play you in ping pong. 

Treasury Department whistleblower says Obama's Treasury Dept illegally targeted Trump associates and family.  

The whistleblower said Treasury should never have been part of the unmasking of Flynn, because its surveillance operation was off-the-books. That is to say, the Justice Department never gave the required approval to the Treasury program, and so there were no guidelines, approvals nor reports that would be associated with a DOJ-sanctioned domestic surveillance operation.

“Accessing this information without approved and signed attorney general guidelines would violate U.S. persons constitutional rights and civil liberties,” she said.

https://tennesseestar.com/2020/05/18/exc...tleblower/

Suddenly, you're now a big fan of whistleblowers. And...trying to control my laughter here...The Tennessee Star.

Keep on being you, BLT. You're still my favorite sandwich.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

No.
Bush 43 appointed Rosenstein to be the federal prosecutor over Maryland.
US prosecutors are almost always fired when a new President takes over.  Obama chose to keep Rosenstein in that same job.  
When Trump became President, it would have been typical for Rosenstein to be fired, but Trump chose not to.  Instead, he promoted Rosenstein.
It's amazing that the guy survived two changes of adminstration.  Usually prosecutors don't even survive one.

So just to be clear, you're saying that a guy who worked in the Obama Admin then continued to work in the Trump Admin wasn't a holdover. Got it.

He was a holdover, but one that Trump actually *promoted*. He was held over *and chosen*. Trump did not have to keep him, let alone promote him.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Treasury Department whistleblower says Obama's Treasury Dept illegally targeted Trump associates and family.  

The whistleblower said Treasury should never have been part of the unmasking of Flynn, because its surveillance operation was off-the-books. That is to say, the Justice Department never gave the required approval to the Treasury program, and so there were no guidelines, approvals nor reports that would be associated with a DOJ-sanctioned domestic surveillance operation.

“Accessing this information without approved and signed attorney general guidelines would violate U.S. persons constitutional rights and civil liberties,” she said.

https://tennesseestar.com/2020/05/18/exc...tleblower/

Suddenly, you're now a big fan of whistleblowers. And...trying to control my laughter here...The Tennessee Star.

Keep on being you, BLT. You're still my favorite sandwich.

Are you using the Dem definition of a whistleblower or the actual definition?  This one is revealing Obama Adminstration corruption and crimes.  That other one thought Trump's conversation with a foreign head of state didn't comport to "foreign policy norms", an imaginary concept the underling invented.  Can you perceive the difference?  Don't bother answering.

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So just to be clear, you're saying that a guy who worked in the Obama Admin then continued to work in the Trump Admin wasn't a holdover. Got it.

He was a holdover, but one that Trump actually *promoted*. He was held over *and chosen*. Trump did not have to keep him, let alone promote him.

Ok, so you really didn't mean what you said then. As usual.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

He was a holdover, but one that Trump actually *promoted*. He was held over *and chosen*. Trump did not have to keep him, let alone promote him.

Ok, so you really didn't mean what you said then. As usual.

No.
Just like on standardized, multiple choice tests, sometimes more than one answer is true, but one of them is the best answer.

How did Rosenstein become deputy AG?

A) Rosenstein was a holdover from the Obama administration.
B) Trump appointed Rosenstein.
C) Trump promoted Rosenstein.

C) is the best, and therefore correct, answer.
A and B are true, but would be marked wrong.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.