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(06-24-2020, 10:44 PM)TJBender Wrote:
(06-24-2020, 06:30 PM)Sammy Wrote: You can state that Black Lives Don't Matter on your Cell Phone, but you can't back that up on your Cell Phone. Very "Convenient" of you. Black Lives Do Matter ... They Do, stop with the narrative that they don't.

I'm sitting at my [BLEEP] computer. Here, have a rapid-fire:

https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2012/2012160.pdf
US Dept of Education study. Tl;dr version: white students have traditionally received higher amounts of merit-based scholarship funding, with black college students getting mostly need-based funding. Oddly enough, schools have shifted money away from needs-based scholarships and into merit-based scholarships, disproportionately favoring white students.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20...ome-loans/
Pew Center study. Tl;dr, it's easier for a white family to get a home than a black of Hispanic family, by design, and it shows in the huge gap between how many white families own a home and how many minorities do. It doesn't get into redlining, which is definitely still a thing when you get into an area that's gentrifying or full of old white money.

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Censu...igure1.pdf
The [BLEEP] Census. I mean, if this doesn't say it all, what does? Not only are black households the lowest earners, but they're the only ones whose earnings are likely to be flat as compared to every other racial group, which is seeing income rise. If care and concern is taken to ensuring that black lives matter, then why is it that black people are the one and only ethnic group in the United States that's seeing their income stay flat, as all other groups see theirs rise at about the same rate?


I'm not even going to read that. BLM is based on the Black lives taken by cops. Black Lives Do Matter. Stick to the subject.
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Quote:Prove it. Please. Show me.

You can't without shifting the argument to police brutality as a whole, which has nothing to do with Black lives specifically, or talking about the quality of black lives which has nothing to do with why the organization was formed or when they decide to protest (which is only after a black person is killed by a white man). BLM is a lie.


So, like I said. You can't prove it.

No one here is arguing there aren't disparities between the black and white communities. There are some issues that need to be resolved, and one of the biggest is the bias in the criminal justice system (but it has been improving over the last 30 years). 

We are talking about BLM, which is an organization that is feeding the LIE (along with the media) that blacks are murdered by whites at a higher rate. They use every controversial killing to justify the entirety of their platform, because it's emotionally effective, even though the likelihood of being killed is virtually zero. The message itself is psychologically damaging to the black community and does more harm than good. There are studies that have been done that show how the results of these protests lead to WORSE conditions for black communities. More crime, more violence, more death, but that never gets mentioned (more on that later). Black Lives Matter is the most extreme form of rhetoric, and it's used to drive a wedge between Americans by people who want the entire system changed from capitalism to Marxism. All of this is provable. 

Nobody here can prove that black lives DON'T matter to Americans, unless, of course you want to examine democratic policies. Once again, it seems like the only systemic polices that actually hurt the black community are coming from the platform that pretends to care about them. A new study came out showing that every time the national media creates one of these controversies, the result is more death in the black community. Police withdraw from high crime neighborhood while tensions are high, and violent crime, including murders, spike. 

This was done by a youngest black man ever to receive tenure at Harvard, btw, but who cares, right? He's not supporting the narrative, so he's probably just a sell-out uncle Tom. He's the same guy that did the studies that show that blacks are not shot at a higher rate per police encounter... you know, the one Mikesez claims was done by the "system." Oh, odd note on that: He actually set out to show the world that blacks were being killed at a higher rate and was surprised when the results didn't reflect that. Like most other prominent black economists, it wouldn't surprise me if this guy becomes a conservative, because, once you start looking at the numbers, it becomes apparent that most of the democratic talking points are garbage... but I digress.

Democrat policies are destroying the black community. If there's systemic racism, it's created by democrat elites who create systems like minimum wage laws, welfare, and affirmative action, that have been shown to harm blacks and the black community. This is the same elites who benefit by pushing rare instances of police brutality into the national spotlight to mobilize the black vote, which they believe they believe they don't need to earn. You ain't black, right? And if black lives don't matter, it's the social progressives who are ok with watching the black community burn and kill each other, as long as they can use it as a tool to advance their socialist Utopia. 

I have said it before, and I will say it again, most conservatives want equality under the law for all Americans, then they want to be left alone. In this regard, I understand why blacks feel like conservatives don't care about them. But it's not out of hate. It's not because they want to see anyone die. They are just too busy with their own affairs to notice anyone else. This isn't cool, and I think conservatives need to rethink their relationship with the black community. But it's not systemic racism, and it doesn't prove that they think anyone else is beneath them. If this were the case, you wouldn't see almost universal support for George Floyd.

On a side note, I am working on a program to bring conservative money into impoverished black communities, but it's in the very early stages. It's very ambitious, though, so I am not sure I can get it off the ground.
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(This post was last modified: 06-25-2020, 08:49 AM by TJBender.)

(06-25-2020, 08:04 AM)Sammy Wrote:
(06-24-2020, 10:44 PM)TJBender Wrote: I'm sitting at my [BLEEP] computer. Here, have a rapid-fire:

https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2012/2012160.pdf
US Dept of Education study. Tl;dr version: white students have traditionally received higher amounts of merit-based scholarship funding, with black college students getting mostly need-based funding. Oddly enough, schools have shifted money away from needs-based scholarships and into merit-based scholarships, disproportionately favoring white students.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20...ome-loans/
Pew Center study. Tl;dr, it's easier for a white family to get a home than a black of Hispanic family, by design, and it shows in the huge gap between how many white families own a home and how many minorities do. It doesn't get into redlining, which is definitely still a thing when you get into an area that's gentrifying or full of old white money.

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Censu...igure1.pdf
The [BLEEP] Census. I mean, if this doesn't say it all, what does? Not only are black households the lowest earners, but they're the only ones whose earnings are likely to be flat as compared to every other racial group, which is seeing income rise. If care and concern is taken to ensuring that black lives matter, then why is it that black people are the one and only ethnic group in the United States that's seeing their income stay flat, as all other groups see theirs rise at about the same rate?


I'm not even going to read that. BLM is based on the Black lives taken by cops. Black Lives Do Matter. Stick to the subject.

No, it’s not solely based on that. It might have been originally, but like most causes do, it’s expanded to include the broader realities facing black people today and throughout history. You’re oversimplifying it.
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#44

BURN DOWN THE SYSTEM!

BLM!

https://www.foxnews.com/media/black-live...own-system
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#45

(06-25-2020, 08:49 AM)TJBender Wrote:
(06-25-2020, 08:04 AM)Sammy Wrote: I'm not even going to read that. BLM is based on the Black lives taken by cops. Black Lives Do Matter. Stick to the subject.

No, it’s not solely based on that. It might have been originally, but like most causes do, it’s expanded to include the broader realities facing black people today and throughout history. You’re oversimplifying it.

The idea that it's about anything but fomenting a Communist Revolution in America is foolish and you, like the African American community, are just useful idiots to their plans. Same as it's been for 120 years now. Cannon fodder, nothing more.
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(06-25-2020, 08:49 AM)TJBender Wrote:
(06-25-2020, 08:04 AM)Sammy Wrote: I'm not even going to read that. BLM is based on the Black lives taken by cops. Black Lives Do Matter. Stick to the subject.

No, it’s not solely based on that. It might have been originally, but like most causes do, it’s expanded to include the broader realities facing black people today and throughout history. You’re oversimplifying it.

Why does it always take a death by cop to reignite the BLM protest? Because that is the roots of the movement.  If you wanted to debate racism, then you should have called it by its name, racism.  White people are not the sole proprietor of racism. I wish I could see a day that there were no prejudice of skin color. It has moved slowly, slower than the majority of us would like, but there is zero chance of wiping it out completely. There will always be "those" people, and unfortunately, "those" people are the one's that are used as a measuring stick.
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(06-25-2020, 08:49 AM)TJBender Wrote:
(06-25-2020, 08:04 AM)Sammy Wrote: I'm not even going to read that. BLM is based on the Black lives taken by cops. Black Lives Do Matter. Stick to the subject.

No, it’s not solely based on that. It might have been originally, but like most causes do, it’s expanded to include the broader realities facing black some people today and throughout history. You’re oversimplifying it.

BLM is a racist organization on the surface but it's much more than that.  It's also a communist/socialist/anarchist "movement" that bears a striking resemblance to the "movement" that I made after a cup of coffee this morning.  I fixed your quote for you and perhaps if they changed their tune a bit to include ALL Americans they might get more people onboard with their alleged "cause".


There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.
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(This post was last modified: 06-25-2020, 08:15 PM by mikesez.)

(06-25-2020, 08:45 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: This was done by a youngest black man ever to receive tenure at Harvard, btw, but who cares, right? He's not supporting the narrative, so he's probably just a sell-out uncle Tom. He's the same guy that did the studies that show that blacks are not shot at a higher rate per police encounter... you know, the one Mikesez claims was done by the "system." Oh, odd note on that: He actually set out to show the world that blacks were being killed at a higher rate and was surprised when the results didn't reflect that.

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On a side note, I am working on a program to bring conservative money into impoverished black communities, but it's in the very early stages. It's very ambitious, though, so I am not sure I can get it off the ground.

A police encounter is usually initiated by the police.
So the pressure gauge metaphor applies there as well.
The shootings are done by police.
The encounters are usually started by police.
The ratio between the two can't help us judge if the system as a whole is biased, any more than two pressure gauges calibrated by the same worker can prove that the worker knows how to calibrate pressure gauges.

As for your side note, thank you letting us know.  If you are actually making your living at this political stuff, I will give you some professional courtesy due, because I just do this as a hobby.
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