Portland mayor condemns rioters for 'attempting to commit murder'
The mayor said violent protesters will be used as "props" for President Trump's reelection campaign

[font=Roboto,]"Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler Thursday evening condemned the actions of rioters who attempted to set fire to a police precinct and blocked the exits while officers were inside.[/font]

“When you commit arson with an accelerant in an attempt to burn down a building that is occupied by people who you have intentionally trapped inside, you are not demonstrating, you are attempting to commit murder," Wheeler said in a news conference with Portland Police Chief Chuck Lovell.

[font=Roboto,]"Don’t think for a moment that you are if you are participating in this activity, you are not being a prop for the reelection campaign of Donald Trump — because you absolutely are," he said. "You are creating the B-roll film that will be used in ads nationally to help Donald Trump during this campaign. If you don’t want to be part of that, then don’t show up.”"
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Apparently attempting an act of mass murder isn't as condemnable as playing into the hands of Donald Trump. Another leftie clown who views everything through a political lens. Heal thyself, Portland.

It's beyond time for the police and federal agents to open fire... and not with rubber bullets.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Fox News is saying things have de-escalated around the Federal Courthouse and protests are happening at some local police precincts in a few other areas.  This is as it should be, except, a Portland cop sadly was injured last night, hit by a rock.  
I hope they figure out a way to hear the protestors and arrest the rioters.

They're moving away from the federal buildings because they're not getting the fights they want, so now they're moving on to areas where they can cause problems. 

What's happening in Portland isn't a protest.

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Fox News is saying things have de-escalated around the Federal Courthouse and protests are happening at some local police precincts in a few other areas.  This is as it should be, except, a Portland cop sadly was injured last night, hit by a rock.  
I hope they figure out a way to hear the protestors and arrest the rioters.

They're moving away from the federal buildings because they're not getting the fights they want, so now they're moving on to areas where they can cause problems. 

What's happening in Portland isn't a protest.

What is the definition of a protest?

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I'm gonna throw out my own definition. Protest is a means to bring about change within an existing system. If you want to dismantle the existing system, it's not a protest, it's a revolution.

If you want to support that, go ahead.

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I'm gonna throw out my own definition. Protest is a means to bring about change within an existing system. If you want to dismantle the existing system, it's not a protest, it's a revolution.

If you want to support that, go ahead.

protesting to change an existing sub system is still a "protest" i.e protesting to limit the police over reach protest is still a protest not a revolution.

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Sure. And some people believe that. Many of the people who are teaching, leading and funding these movements, however, are not trying to change and existing sub-system.

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Sure. And some people believe that. Many of the people who are teaching, leading and funding these movements, however, are not trying to change and existing sub-system.

A just protest is a just protest is a just protest. If you want to say Portland isn't a protest then you would have to first ignore everything they are saying they're protesting against at the protest, which would render the argument worthless

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Sure. And some people believe that. Many of the people who are teaching, leading and funding these movements, however, are not trying to change and existing sub-system.

A just protest is a just protest is a just protest. If you want to say Portland isn't a protest then you would have to first ignore everything they are saying they're protesting against at the protest, which would render the argument worthless

 
But where do you draw the line between protest and riot (illegitimate protest)? Continuously targeting specific people and places for violence, injury and destruction passes a line of legitimacy at some point.

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That's where you and I diverge. I don't think it's about criminal justice reform, and hasn't been for the last 2 months.

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A just protest is a just protest is a just protest. If you want to say Portland isn't a protest then you would have to first ignore everything they are saying they're protesting against at the protest, which would render the argument worthless

 
But where do you draw the line between protest and riot (illegitimate protest)? Continuously targeting specific people and places for violence, injury and destruction passes a line of legitimacy at some point.

A protest can be legitimate and not be wholly legal. Especially when we have mountains of evidence if police attacking peaceful protests with tear gas and violence over the past 6 months (this is happening in Portland too) 

The line of legitimacy gets very blurred when the reason for the protest also apparently decides the legitimacy of it

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But where do you draw the line between protest and riot (illegitimate protest)? Continuously targeting specific people and places for violence, injury and destruction passes a line of legitimacy at some point.

A protest can be legitimate and not be wholly legal. Especially when we have mountains of evidence if police attacking peaceful protests with tear gas and violence over the past 6 months (this is happening in Portland too) 

The line of legitimacy gets very blurred when the reason for the protest also apparently decides the legitimacy of it

I hope they kill those anti-American protesters. Just because we permit you to protest doesn't make you right. Kill them all.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

A protest can be legitimate and not be wholly legal. Especially when we have mountains of evidence if police attacking peaceful protests with tear gas and violence over the past 6 months (this is happening in Portland too) 

The line of legitimacy gets very blurred when the reason for the protest also apparently decides the legitimacy of it

I hope they kill those anti-American protesters. Just because we permit you to protest doesn't make you right. Kill them all.

ANNNNNNDDDD THE LAAAAAAND OF THE FREEEEEEEEEEEE

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I hope they kill those anti-American protesters. Just because we permit you to protest doesn't make you right. Kill them all.

ANNNNNNDDDD THE LAAAAAAND OF THE FREEEEEEEEEEEE

It's "O'er" you nitwit.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

They're moving away from the federal buildings because they're not getting the fights they want, so now they're moving on to areas where they can cause problems. 

What's happening in Portland isn't a protest.

What is the definition of a protest?

When there’a violence, its not a protest. It’s a riot. They can assign whatever noble motive they want to it, but it isn’t a protest.

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I think destruction of property can be part of a protest. Not physical violence. Locking people inside a building they want to burn goes WAY past the idea of a protest.

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I think destruction of property can be part of a protest. Not physical violence. Locking people inside a building they want to burn goes WAY past the idea of a protest.

What if they only burn down empty buildings?

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Private property law is all that keep us civilized. We need to end those who flout them whatever the reasoning.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Private property law is all that keep us civilized. We need to end those who flout them whatever the reasoning.

No way dude.
Blood for blood and life for life.
No one should lose their life on account of property destruction.
If you are convicted of destroying someone's property, the only penalty should be paying them back and being in jail for a while.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Private property law is all that keep us civilized. We need to end those who flout them whatever the reasoning.

No way dude.
Blood for blood and life for life.
No one should lose their life on account of property destruction.
If you are convicted of destroying someone's property, the only penalty should be paying them back and being in jail for a while.

Nope, my property cost me parts of my life to acquire. You destroy my right to my property then it's not different than taking my life.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Private property law is all that keep us civilized. We need to end those who flout them whatever the reasoning.

No way dude.
Blood for blood and life for life.
No one should lose their life on account of property destruction.
If you are convicted of destroying someone's property, the only penalty should be paying them back and being in jail for a while.

These fools have no property, money, etc. They don't have jobs or if they do they are minimum wage, part-time jobs that allow them to be out all hours of the night. They have no money to repay for your property being damaged. Are you going to force them to get a real job and not a job that 15-17 year olds get during the summer so they can repay you in maybe 20 years?

Maybe you want to bring back indentured servants?

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