How are they cheap?  Like 90% of the offense are on rookie deals or low FA signings for depth.  To have Minshew at what we are paying him is a bargin and everyteam would love a starter caliber QB for under a million a year.

They are like the Pittsburgh Pirates.  When contracts of their star players near, they get rid of them and state they are rebuilding.  Sure, we can say we have young inexpensive players like the Pirates .... then go on to watch them succeed on much better teams

Have we seen that? I don't recall any world changers who came from here, can you name a few?

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Now we're on to [BLEEP] that we aren't in cap hell. Pathetic.

I guess we should've kept 4Million-ette so this number would be higher, then you could [BLEEP] about how we're overpaying the offense for the production.

Same folks over and over. Just leading sad lives wanting and needing anything to [BLEEP] and complain about it seems.

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Its kinda funny to see we almost pay the "best player/starter" of each group less than the backups...

If you're shocked by the fact that older players on rookie deals make more money than younger players on rookie deals then collective bargaining must be a foreign language to you.

No I'm not shocked by that at all, what shocks me is how few veterans we have in starting positions over the younger guys.

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If you're shocked by the fact that older players on rookie deals make more money than younger players on rookie deals then collective bargaining must be a foreign language to you.

No I'm not shocked by that at all, what shocks me is how few veterans we have in starting positions over the younger guys.

Conley is a vet starter who isn't on there. Chark had a pro-bowl season last year. We have vets in Westbrook and Cole, rookies in Shenault and Johnson.
Eifert was brought in to be the vet starter alongside the draft pick who got hurt again and veteran James O.
Chris Thompson might be a nice surprise if he's healthy. Did Ozigbo beat our 4nette or did 4nette behave his way out? Is the Gruden Plan a Committee approach that wouldn't fit 4nette? I don't know.
Our QB is a cheap second year guy who finally beat out an expensive vet last year and is backed up by either a cheap vet or another cheap rookie. 

The offense is young and inexpensive, but that's not a bad thing. There's enough vets there to help GM15.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

No I'm not shocked by that at all, what shocks me is how few veterans we have in starting positions over the younger guys.

Conley is a vet starter who isn't on there. Chark had a pro-bowl season last year. We have vets in Westbrook and Cole, rookies in Shenault and Johnson.
Eifert was brought in to be the vet starter alongside the draft pick who got hurt again and veteran James O.
Chris Thompson might be a nice surprise if he's healthy. Did Ozigbo beat our 4nette or did 4nette behave his way out? Is the Gruden Plan a Committee approach that wouldn't fit 4nette? I don't know.
Our QB is a cheap second year guy who finally beat out an expensive vet last year and is backed up by either a cheap vet or another cheap rookie. 

The offense is young and inexpensive, but that's not a bad thing. There's enough vets there to help GM15.

The entire OL are veterans as well, minus a 2nd year player at RT and perhaps a rookie eventually takes over at RG. They aren't the skill positions... but the "lack of veteran leadership" card is waaaay overblown by no nothing fans on this board for sure.

Even on D, Scho, Jack, Timmy, Harrison, Wilson, Hayden, Smoot, plenty of veterans.

What these people are missing are "big name superstars". Without the marquee names they feel disconnected from the team.
Shame to not know enough about your team if ESPN doesn't talk about them I guess.

The youth and lack of big money on offense currently is a great thing. Means more money to lock up Chark when his time comes. Or to sign a guy at TE or RB to a free agent contract next year. Or to solidify the D in the coming years.

Better than paying for an OBJ contract and still sucking like the Browns.
Or paying for a Todd Gurley and being cap strapped by a RB.

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Conley is a vet starter who isn't on there. Chark had a pro-bowl season last year. We have vets in Westbrook and Cole, rookies in Shenault and Johnson.
Eifert was brought in to be the vet starter alongside the draft pick who got hurt again and veteran James O.
Chris Thompson might be a nice surprise if he's healthy. Did Ozigbo beat our 4nette or did 4nette behave his way out? Is the Gruden Plan a Committee approach that wouldn't fit 4nette? I don't know.
Our QB is a cheap second year guy who finally beat out an expensive vet last year and is backed up by either a cheap vet or another cheap rookie. 

The offense is young and inexpensive, but that's not a bad thing. There's enough vets there to help GM15.

The entire OL are veterans as well, minus a 2nd year player at RT and perhaps a rookie eventually takes over at RG. They aren't the skill positions... but the "lack of veteran leadership" card is waaaay overblown by no nothing fans on this board for sure.

Even on D, Scho, Jack, Timmy, Harrison, Wilson, Hayden, Smoot, plenty of veterans.

What these people are missing are "big name superstars". Without the marquee names they feel disconnected from the team.
Shame to not know enough about your team if ESPN doesn't talk about them I guess.

The youth and lack of big money on offense currently is a great thing. Means more money to lock up Chark when his time comes. Or to sign a guy at TE or RB to a free agent contract next year. Or to solidify the D in the coming years.

Better than paying for an OBJ contract and still sucking like the Browns.
Or paying for a Todd Gurley and being cap strapped by a RB.

Was referring to the list that was posted in this thread, not the whole team in general.

You hear "offensive skilled positions" and most teams have atleast a couple skilled vets in them roles. I never said it was a good thing or bad thing.

Good point about Conley not being on this list, i didn't notice that.

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The offensive talent isn't significantly different from last year. Cutting Fournette is hardly "taking everything away from him", he's got some new and healthy returning linemen, a new Tight End, the same receivers...this whole thread is like something out of J-Dub's "Corky's Greatest Takes" playbook.

Ya'll fail to realize we had the right chemistry on the 2017 team. The different personalities whoever they were fed off each other and played well together. The team is going to have play a couple seasons together before that happens here again.
  Fournette was a workhorse, we are not sure these rbs that we have will duplicate his productivity, no matter how much yall try to downplay it. Our defense got worse so there will be pressure on Minshew and the offense to try to put up a lot of points if the defense can't stop teams from scoring.

Not saying you have to agree but I don't understand how you possibly think all the changes we have had this past year is not going to do something to our 2nd year qb.

Lol, nice that you compare the chemistry to a team that was here three years ago and not the dumpster fire we had last year when all those personalities fed off each other the wrong way.  Fournette is a workhorse who helped us win 6 games, now we have an offense that might or might not need that guy to be better than that. You assume our defense got worse, I think if it's bad then it's just the same as last year with hopefully some improvement over the course of the year. I'm optimistic that our 2nd year QB is going to have a good year with the changes, dare I say improvements, around him. Every change that's happened can be for the good, people are just miserably pessimistic.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Doesn't mean much but it is kinda funny tbh.

Anyway we did spend some money with

Foles
Bortles
Moncrief lol
Julius Thomas
Lee lol

We can add Linder and Norwell if we count O-lineman. The really sad part is none of them deserved the money. Linder did deserve the extension but not one that made him the highest paid at his position.

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I am a fan, not a cheerleader.

The entire OL are veterans as well, minus a 2nd year player at RT and perhaps a rookie eventually takes over at RG. They aren't the skill positions... but the "lack of veteran leadership" card is waaaay overblown by no nothing fans on this board for sure.

Even on D, Scho, Jack, Timmy, Harrison, Wilson, Hayden, Smoot, plenty of veterans.

What these people are missing are "big name superstars". Without the marquee names they feel disconnected from the team.
Shame to not know enough about your team if ESPN doesn't talk about them I guess.

The youth and lack of big money on offense currently is a great thing. Means more money to lock up Chark when his time comes. Or to sign a guy at TE or RB to a free agent contract next year. Or to solidify the D in the coming years.

Better than paying for an OBJ contract and still sucking like the Browns.
Or paying for a Todd Gurley and being cap strapped by a RB.

Was referring to the list that was posted in this thread, not the whole team in general.

You hear "offensive skilled positions" and most teams have atleast a couple skilled vets in them roles. I never said it was a good thing or bad thing.

Good point about Conley not being on this list, i didn't notice that.

OK.
But there are vets at every level. WR: Conley (and honestly Chark is going into year 3, Westbrook and Cole year 4 iirc). TE: Eifert. RB: Thompson. Hell we even have Mike Glennon in the QB room currently.

The problem most fans are having is we don't have the superstars they want this roster stacked with. Be it homegrown or high priced free agents. Fair enough but we're rebuilding. It is what it is.


But we're going through a rebuild, so it shouldn't be that surprising.

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