2 things: It disappears without moving back into the frame, which suggests it wasn't a wire, and is his team so stupid they would put the wire over his shirt?

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It disappeared when he leaned to his left. It also never appears again so it’s probably not a wrinkle or wire. If it’s a loose wire, you’d think it’d pop back out, and if it’s a wrinkle that big and that close to the tie then you’d definitely see it again

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2 things: It disappears without moving back into the frame, which suggests it wasn't a wire, and is his team so stupid they would put the wire over his shirt?

Flashbacks to the '04 debates - 
Democrat fanboys had themselves convinced that Bush 43 was actually an idiot, and afterwards they were enhancing screenshots of some bulge on the President's back to show that he was wearing some sort of wire.
The fanboys had to do this post-debate "investigating" because they couldn't accept the truth that they had misunderestimated their debate opponent.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

I hope you're not referring to that shirt wrinkle....

USAToday said it definitely wasn't, that's really all the evidence I need that it was.

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The Telemundo debate poll is concerning for Bidem.

Well more than concerning. The other polls show Trump even winning coming from MSM. I don't think anyone won, but the polls show Trump crushed him.

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This isnt insignificant.  Trump was stronger and he was the aggressor.  Some are turned off by his level of aggression, but the casual observer will come to the conclusion that Trump is a stronger personality.

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And now video evidence is coming out today showing that Biden was indeed wired for sound on the stage. Looks like Trump was right again!

True or not, the fact this is even a discussion tells voters everything they need to know.

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I hope you're not referring to that shirt wrinkle....

I hope you're not referring to that shirt wrinkle....

I’m not ready to say it’s a wire, but it doesn’t look to me like it’s a wrinkle in the video I saw. It pops out after he moves something under his jacket. I thought it was a wrinkle before I saw the video.

2 things: It disappears without moving back into the frame, which suggests it wasn't a wire, and is his team so stupid they would put the wire over his shirt?

It disappeared when he leaned to his left. It also never appears again so it’s probably not a wrinkle or wire. If it’s a loose wire, you’d think it’d pop back out, and if it’s a wrinkle that big and that close to the tie then you’d definitely see it again

Check the zoomed in video. I thought it was just a wrinkle, but the same thing is near his neck. The same size wrinkle appears elsewhere.

Who knows, maybe it was giving him drugs. He also has something on his wrist.

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The Telemundo debate poll is concerning for Bidem.

Well more than concerning. The other polls show Trump even winning coming from MSM. I don't think anyone won, but the polls show Trump crushed him.

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Where do you see a poll that shows Trump winning?

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I really doubt that Biden was wearing a wire.  Either way it really doesn't matter.  What matters is what voters think after last night's disaster.

I don't really care what poll says what, I just go by what I see and hear when I interact with people.  Most everybody that I talked to that are VERY likely to be voting for President Trump had the same reaction that I did.  The "debate" did nothing more than cause people to cringe.  He would have been better off toning it down and keeping his mouth shut when he should have.

President Trump certainly didn't gain any support after that "performance" and in fact, I know of at least one person that changed from "not voting" to "voting for Biden".  Granted, the person that I am speaking of tends to lean left any way and is a "Yankee" from up north.  He was very much a strong Hillary supporter in 2016 and just a month or so ago stated that he couldn't back either candidate and would not vote.

Based on my "un-scientific" observations, I think President Trump really "lost" the debate.  In my book changing a "no vote" to a "vote for Biden" is a loss.

With that being said, I much like millions of other people have not changed my decision.  Donald Trump still has my vote.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Well more than concerning. The other polls show Trump even winning coming from MSM. I don't think anyone won, but the polls show Trump crushed him.

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Where do you see a poll that shows Trump winning?

Previous one mentioned, CSPAN, even CNN

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Where do you see a poll that shows Trump winning?

Previous one mentioned, CSPAN, even CNN

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Do you have a link to a poll that says Trump won?  The CNN poll said Biden won, 66% to 28%.  

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/29/politics/...index.html

The Telemundo poll you cited was a nonscientific Twitter poll.  Not even restricted to Spanish speaking people.  Anyone could vote in that poll.  The CSPAN poll was also nonscientific- just invited people to call in and register their opinion.  Absolutely worthless.

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Previous one mentioned, CSPAN, even CNN

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Do you have a link to a poll that says Trump won?  The CNN poll said Biden won, 66% to 28%.  

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/29/politics/...index.html

The Telemundo poll you cited was a nonscientific Twitter poll.  Not even restricted to Spanish speaking people.  Anyone could vote in that poll.  The CSPAN poll was also nonscientific- just invited people to call in and register their opinion.  Absolutely worthless.

The CNN poll you referenced was also not scientific. The CNN people there in whatever group 4-5 people, didn't watch CNN it so just saw it.


You are right that none of these are scientific. It is just people voting or them using apps, etc.

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Well more than concerning. The other polls show Trump even winning coming from MSM. I don't think anyone won, but the polls show Trump crushed him.

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This isnt insignificant.  Trump was stronger and he was the aggressor.  Some are turned off by his level of aggression, but the casual observer will come to the conclusion that Trump is a stronger personality.

The casual observer will come to the conclusion he is a rude, self important, bully, who doesn't care if he's making a mockery of our electoral process. I know a lot of people said today that they would not watch another debate, unless the candidates microphones are turned off when their time is up. Since Trump would never agree to this in a million years, I'm expecting the next one to be the lowest rated presidential debate in history. I know of very few people who enjoy watching two elderly men yell, insult, interrupt  and talk over the top of one another. Personally, I find very few things more irritating. I could never sit through an entire debate like that. The highlights (or lowlights as some called them,) were enough for me.

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This isnt insignificant.  Trump was stronger and he was the aggressor.  Some are turned off by his level of aggression, but the casual observer will come to the conclusion that Trump is a stronger personality.

The casual observer will come to the conclusion he is a rude, self important, bully, who doesn't care if he's making a mockery of our electoral process. I know a lot of people said today that they would not watch another debate, unless the candidates microphones are turned off when their time is up. Since Trump would never agree to this in a million years, I'm expecting the next one to be the lowest rated presidential debate in history. I know of very few people who enjoy watching two elderly men yell, insult, interrupt  and talk over the top of one another. Personally, I find very few things more irritating. I could never sit through an entire debate like that. The highlights (or lowlights as some called them,) were enough for me.

[BLEEP] was hilarious, everyone knows who they are voting for regardless.

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I am a supporter and agree he was too much at times. All he had to do in some cases was let Biden continue to talk and that would have helped him.

TBH, I don't think it would hurt Trump if Biden decided to avoid the next two debates for a couple reasons:

1. Wallace was the best opportunity Trump had at a fair debate
2. The optics of Biden camp declining last 2 debates is bad
3. Trump got what he wanted out of the outcome. Get Joe on record for not adopting the far left policies and re-confirm the lack of support from Hispanics.

Biden's opportunity to denounce court packing will make some people who loathe DT still vote for him. This debate did nothing to motivate people to vote, but it did motivate people to probably not vote.

I don't think Trump lost any of his supporters, but he certainly lost some independents who were on the fence. 

I agree that he should've kept quiet. The longer Biden talks, the more mistakes he makes. That should've been the strategy for trump, but the man has serious self control issues and that was on full display last night from the highlights I saw. 

I don't think it will reflect badly at all on Biden if he pulls out of the debates. That wasn't even a debate it was a pushy, domineering, bully with narcissistic tendencies completely trying to drown out everyone else, including the moderator. Debates with Trump are pointless. He won't let anyone else speak. He's gotten way worse since his debates with Hillary. 

As far as Biden not being on board with the far left side of the party, duh! He never was. I'm not even remotely a Biden supporter and I've known that for years. Anyone who has taken any time at all to study the candidates should've been aware of that. He and Democrats like AOC couldn't be more different. She's a radical. 

People will definitely still vote. They will just do it from home. Ohio is receiving a record number of absentee ballot request. According to my local news, the majority being from Independent voters, which surprised me.

Paragraph 1, 2 and 3 agreed.  Now paragraph 4 is ludicrous.  He selected Harris as his VP who as I am sure you know co-sponsored the Green New Deal Proposed Legislation.  He also made a huge deal of accepting the Bernie/Progessive platform.  Biden much like his entire political career caters to which ever way the wind blows. He cannot duck this subject forever.  Eventually he has to embrace the socialist in his party or outright deny them.

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

Sorry late to the party. Did we already talk about how racist is racist?

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The undecided voter is a myth. There are no undecided voters in 2020. Anyone who claims they are undecided are narcissistic and craving attention.

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Trump was interrupted 76 times, Biden 15. Biden also talked more than Trump did.

Yep the moderator showed how liberal he is.

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Sorry late to the party. Did we already talk about how racist is racist?

Lol, bless your heart.

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Trump was interrupted 76 times, Biden 15. Biden also talked more than Trump did.

Yep the moderator showed how liberal he is.

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Would love to see this breakdown.

Or you counting Biden interrupting Trump's interruptions?

You really will believe any fake news.

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